The Trump Tariffs thread

[brycejones]

Im a Catholic, but has essentially nothing to do with the main Democratic party criticisms Ive just listed. Theres a ton of things I dislike about the Republican party too, and Im not afraid to list them at all.

can you confirm your big 3 are

Trans women in sports
Support of unions
Border security

 

[Heartbreaker]

Based on feelings and desires? No. Based on reality, science, and what morally right or wrong? Yes. (See the golden rule.)

Here is good story highlighting some of the science on trans women in sports. It does not back you up... at all.

https://www.sf.gov/trans-women-in-sports-facts-over-fear

• Transgender women performed worse than cisgender women in tests measuring lower-body strength
• Transgender women performed worse than cisgender women in tests measuring lung function
• Transgender women had a higher percentage of fat mass, lower fat-free mass, and weaker handgrip strength compared to cisgender men
• Transgender women’s bone density was found to be equivalent to that of cisgender women, which is linked to muscle strength
• There were no meaningful differences found between the two groups’ hemoglobin profiles (a key factor in athletic performance)

Also some of the major freak-outs about Trans Women in sports, were about Cis-Gender women.

Imane Khelif - is an Olympic Gold medal winner and probably the highest profile case. She is a woman who was attacked by various right wing airbags like Elon Musk, for being a man.

But she was born a woman, she's just a very strong woman, and yet she became the center of this far right attack on transgender women in sports.

Ignorance and hate, that you bought into, from not watching Fox News.

 

[nakedfrog]

No it isnt. "Identifying" as transsexual does not meet the medical definition of transsexual.

Global Health Burden and Needs of Transgender Populations: A Review - PMC

Transgender people are a diverse population affected by a variety of negative health indicators across high, middle, and low income settings. Studies consistently document high prevalence of adverse health outcomes in this population, including HIV ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Now you're conflating intersex people and trans people, I don't know that you're really prepared to actually discuss this topic.

 

[Josh128]

It most certainly does. I asked you to pick one topic, clearly state your opinion, and back it up with credible, unbiased sources. You didn't do that.

I will invite you to do it again though!

This is your argument, to claim that Im not clearly debating supporting all of my points? I did, and you dont like them, so you just brush them aside and claim I didnt. Credible, unbiased sources? You mean like the NIH that I posted above? You mean like the AP story of Biden issuing executive orders to fast track starting to rebuild the wall? Why must you go the route of having zero dignity and claiming things that any reader can see are patently false?

 

[fskimospy]

This is your argument, to claim that Im not clearly debating supporting all of my points? I did, and you dont like them, so you just brush them aside and claim I didnt.

No, you didn't. That's why I asked. I think you might not know what evidence is though.

Credible, unbiased sources? You mean like the NIH that I posted above? You mean like the AP story of Biden issuing executive orders to fast track starting to rebuild the wall? Why must you go the route of having zero dignity and claiming things that any reader can see are patently false?

1) The NIH link that showed you were 300% to 500% wrong in your claim. lol.
2) The AP story of biden issuing executive orders about a border wall does nothing to support your claim of 'Democrats openly ignore and oppose laws on the books, and have allowed and in fact encouraged millions of illegal immigrants to enter and reside in the country in the last 16+ years'. If anything it shows the opposite.

If you think it does explain how and be as specific as possible.

 

[Josh128]

It is. They had "reasons" too.

Talking in riddles now? Address what I said about men having fundamental athletic advantages over women.

 

[Jaskalas]

Trump: We made 200 deals already.
Also Trump: Don't ask how many deals we've made.

It's all just lying to escape the current moment. Every time.

It was good enough to win the Presidency... twice.
It's also all he is capable of doing. Every word from Trump is a lie. Always has been.

Problem is, humans LOVE being lied to.

 

[Josh128]

No, you didn't. That's why I asked. I think you might not know what evidence is though.

1) The NIH link that showed you were 300% to 500% wrong in your claim. lol.
2) The AP story of biden issuing executive orders about a border wall does nothing to support your claim of 'Democrats openly ignore and oppose laws on the books, and have allowed and in fact encouraged millions of illegal immigrants to enter and reside in the country in the last 16+ years'. If anything it shows the opposite.

If you think it does explain how and be as specific as possible.

NIH specifically said .1% to .5%. .1% whats missing from 99.9% thats exactly what I said. These numbers also are not limited to medically undetermined sex at birth, so logically the number is even less, which is why I said >99.9%

Oh my, your double speak on Biden is downright embarassing. Re-read what I wrote or shut up man. Its obvious that you will make outrageous claims and jump through hoops to avoid real criticism of your chosen party. Biden and the Democratic party have done the opposite of not enforcing laws and encouraging illegal entry into the country? Come on now. Thats doing unto Biden what Mike Johnson does unto Trump. Shameful.

 

[FelixDeCat]

That is patently false, and it fails to address that the 10 commandments as a whole are summed as a whole by the golden rule, given by Christ in Matthew 7:12 of the Bible,

“Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets".

And almost all of Western law that is not specifically addressed by one of the 10 commandments, sources from the above.

Preach it, brother 🙌

 

[Josh128]

can you confirm your big 3 are

Trans women in sports
Support of unions
Border security

No, thats just 3. And I didnt say Im against unions either, just that the balance of power has tilted too much in their favor. But border security is indeed in the top 3.

 

[fskimospy]

NIH specifically said .1% to .5%. .1% whats missing from 99.9% thats exactly what I said. These numbers also are not limited to medically undetermined sex at birth, so logically the number is even less, which is why I said >99.9%

There is nothing in your link that says that. In fact, your link explicitly states it does not consider intersex individuals.

Oh my, your double speak on Biden is downright embarassing. Re-read what I wrote or shut up man. Its obvious that you will make outrageous claims and jump through hoops to avoid real criticism of your chosen party. Biden and the Democratic party have done the opposite of not enforcing laws and encouraging illegal entry into the country? Come on now. Thats doing unto Biden what Mike Johnson does unto Trump. Shameful.

So I will take this as you declining to support your position. This is what usually happens as people who claim to want debate usually just want a fight.

Want to debate? Prove it. Provide credible evidence that 'Democrats openly ignore and oppose laws on the books, and have allowed and in fact encouraged millions of illegal immigrants to enter and reside in the country in the last 16+ years'. Define your terms and support them.

I'm here offering you exactly the debate you claim to want. Let's do it!

 

[nakedfrog]

How 'bout dem tariffs tho? Great stuff, fuckin' Democrats I'll tell you whut.

 

[Josh128]

There is nothing in your link that says that. In fact, your link explicitly states it does not consider intersex individuals.

So I will take this as you declining to support your position. This is what usually happens as people who claim to want debate usually just want a fight.

Want to debate? Prove it. Provide credible evidence that 'Democrats openly ignore and oppose laws on the books, and have allowed and in fact encouraged millions of illegal immigrants to enter and reside in the country in the last 16+ years'. Define your terms and support them.

I'm here offering you exactly the debate you claim to want. Let's do it!

I literally quoted it, captured straight from the link. I'll quote it again, because you apparently cant read?

Transgender people have an assigned sex at birth different from their current gender identity or expression and represent a diverse population across regions and within countries worldwide (Sidebar 1).1,2 Although accurate data concerning the size of the transgender population globally are lacking, and population prevalence depends on transgender “case” definition, estimates suggest transgender identity prevalence of 0.3%−0.5%

All the credible evidence you need is in the AP link that Biden had to resort to stoop to the level of resuming construction of Trumps wall, which he initially blocked by executive order. He did this because things got way out of hand with people coming across the border, not because he just wanted to look like a huge hypocrite.

Get serious or stop. Put forth an honest explanation as to why Biden did this if it wasnt that crossings at the border hadnt reached a dangerously critical level. Do this instead of demanding more evidence. That is evidence, and very concrete evidence that the Democratic policies were encouraging, directly or indirectly, illegal immigration and doing nothing to stop it. Address it.

 

[Heartbreaker]

No, thats just 3. And I didnt say Im against unions either, just that the balance of power has tilted too much in their favor. But border security is indeed in the top 3.

That is yet another opposite to reality take:

Unions’ extension into politics was necessary — and contributed to their decline, says Harvard Law expert - Harvard Law School

As the inaugural Fred N. Fishman Professor of Constitutional Law, Laura Weinrib described the arc of union power in the 20th century and its relationship to political spending.

hls.harvard.edu

“Today, unions are weaker than they have been in generations. And that trend shows little sign of abating.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2016/08/01/why-are-unions-in-the-u-s-so-weak/

As political scientists have long noted, lackluster union presence is largely an American phenomenon: The United States consistently ranks near the bottom among developed nations in terms of union membership.

 

[Josh128]

How 'bout dem tariffs tho? Great stuff, fuckin' Democrats I'll tell you whut.

The tariffs, and the way they were implemented, are both bat-shit crazy. Who here has denied that?

 

[Roger Wilco]

Worth remembering that a shouting match between two of Trump’s top advisors is why markets aren’t absolutely imploding already.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Wait didn't they say earlier they had already signed more deals than there are countries on earth? Who is left?

There are many island nations in the arctic, inhabited by the Penguinish tribes.

 

[nakedfrog]

The tariffs, and the way they were implemented, are both bat-shit crazy. Who here has denied that?

Fuckin' Democrats screwed us again with their far centrist nonsense!

 

[Josh128]

That is yet another opposite to reality take:

Unions’ extension into politics was necessary — and contributed to their decline, says Harvard Law expert - Harvard Law School

As the inaugural Fred N. Fishman Professor of Constitutional Law, Laura Weinrib described the arc of union power in the 20th century and its relationship to political spending.

hls.harvard.edu

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in-theory/wp/2016/08/01/why-are-unions-in-the-u-s-so-weak/

Theres a very good reason for that, of which you are apparently ignorant. The unions achieved all they set out to and much more-- to the point where they have begun to lose some support among the public. Most companies are extremely safety oriented and now you have OSHA and MSHA laws that they must adhere to, unlike in the first 70 years of the formation of the large unions. That is why much of the power they wield is unbalanced in my view. You cant prevent a company from streamlining and making their business more efficient just because thats what you want to do, and thats exactly what the Longshoremens Union did a year or so ago. Exactly what they did.

 

[fskimospy]

I literally quoted it, captured straight from the link. I'll quote it again, because you apparently cant read?

That is talking about transgender people, not intersex people. It also does not change the fact that the numbers from your own link disproved your point.

All the credible evidence you need is in the AP link that Biden had to resort to stoop to the level of resuming construction of Trumps wall, which he initially blocked by executive order. He did this because things got way out of hand with people coming across the border, not because he just wanted to look like a huge hypocrite.

Get serious or stop. Put forth an honest explanation as to why Biden did this if it wasnt that crossings at the border hadnt reached a dangerously critical level. Do this instead of demanding more evidence. That is evidence, and very concrete evidence that the Democratic policies were encouraging, directly or indirectly, illegal immigration and doing nothing to stop it. Address it.

No, you have to prove your point, I do not have to disprove it.

Exactly what parts of the article do you believe indicate that 'Democrats openly ignore and oppose laws on the books, and have allowed and in fact encouraged millions of illegal immigrants to enter and reside in the country in the last 16+ years'

What part of that shows:
1) openly ignoring the law
2) encouraging millions of illegal immigrants to enter and reside here
3) for the last 16+ years.

You seem to think an executive order proves one or more of those things. Why? Be specific.

 

[fskimospy]

By the way as I don’t let him wriggle away @Josh128 will most likely get angrier and angrier and include more and more insults.

This is because, again, he wanted a fight and not a debate.

 

[Josh128]

Im dipping out. Have to eat and get back to work.

 

[Josh128]

By the way as I don’t let him wriggle away @Josh128 will most likely get angrier and angrier and include more and more insults.

This is because, again, he wanted a fight and not a debate.

If you think I hurled more personal insults then you, you better go back and edit your posts before you get fact checked, lol.

 

[fskimospy]

Im dipping out. Have to eat and get back to work.

Don’t worry, take as much time as you need to put your argument together. I’ll be here waiting!

 

[fskimospy]

If you think I hurled more personal insults than you, you better go back and edit your posts before you get fact checked, lol.

Lolwut. This is just my prediction for what you will do in this thread. It has nothing to do with me.

There is also a decent chance you simply never return but let’s hope not!