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Josh128 said:
That is patently false, and it fails to address that the 10 commandments as a whole are summed as a whole by the golden rule, given by Christ in Matthew 7:12 of the Bible,

“Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets".

And almost all of Western law that is not specifically addressed by one of the 10 commandments, sources from the above.
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You really are delusional. Our laws do not work on that idea. Nothing in the law works on that idea. The very idea of basing laws on that is absurd.
I know someone that likes being spanked. Should they be allowed to go around spanking people?
 
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SMOGZINN said:
They don't affect the majority. Very few people play even simi-professional sports, even fewer will ever face a trans athlete in competition, and even fewer will ever be harmed by this. It is worth pointing out that all but a couple of those 10 people are not even highly ranked in their sports.
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It doesnt have to affect the majority. If it affects even one person, thats too much. The entire point is, it is fundamentally wrong, unfair, unjust, and will most certainly affect an increasing number of others if allowed and encouraged.
SMOGZINN said:
Yes. That is what I am telling you, and it takes very little effort to find that out for yourself.
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I am telling you that statistically speaking, >99.9% of the global human population meet the scientific medical requirements for being male or female. If you dont believe that, you are simply ignoring reality.

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Nice strawman. I never said any of this.
I said is:

The fact is you are the one wanting to get government to intervene based on your feelings and desires. So, now have you conceded the argument?
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Based on feelings and desires? No. Based on reality, science, and what morally right or wrong? Yes. (See the golden rule.)
 
Josh128 said:
It doesnt have to affect the majority. If it affects even one person, thats too much. The entire point is, it is fundamentally wrong, unfair, unjust, and will most certainly affect an increasing number of others if allowed and encouraged.

I am telling you that statistically speaking, >99.9% of the global human population meet the scientific medical requirements for being male or female. If you dont believe that, you are simply ignoring reality.



Based on feelings and desires? No. Based on reality, science, and what morally right or wrong? Yes. (See the golden rule.)
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The number of intersex people is roughly 17x higher than you estimated and that's me being generous that you meant 0.1%. Really the sky's the limit for how wrong you are here, haha.

 
SMOGZINN said:
You really are delusional. Our laws do not work on that idea. Nothing in the law works on that idea. The very idea of basing laws on that is absurd.
I know someone that likes being spanked. Should they be allowed to go around spanking people?
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OK bro, I see Ive triggered the evangelical atheist in you. Denying that most of western law not captured in the 10 commandments is based on at least the concept of, if not the direct reference to, the golden rule, is laughably cringe. I'll let readers decide who is delusional here. It all circles back to how the democratic party has made itself irrelevant. This is a perfect example.
 
Josh128 said:
It doesnt have to affect the majority. If it affects even one person, thats too much. The entire point is, it is fundamentally wrong, unfair, unjust, and will most certainly affect an increasing number of others if allowed and encouraged.

I am telling you that statistically speaking, >99.9% of the global human population meet the scientific medical requirements for being male or female. If you dont believe that, you are simply ignoring reality.



Based on feelings and desires? No. Based on reality, science, and what morally right or wrong? Yes. (See the golden rule.)
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Not sure you really understand science.
 
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Josh128 said:
No, its not the same shit, at all. Do blacks have a fundamental advantage over whites in athleticism or vice versa? No, they dont. Do men, overall, have a fundamental advantage over women in athleticism? Yes, they most certainly do, and this is a fact that only the most delusional would object to.
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It is. They had "reasons" too.
 
Josh128 said:
It doesnt have to affect the majority. If it affects even one person, thats too much. The entire point is, it is fundamentally wrong, unfair, unjust, and will most certainly affect an increasing number of others if allowed and encouraged.

I am telling you that statistically speaking, >99.9% of the global human population meet the scientific medical requirements for being male or female. If you dont believe that, you are simply ignoring reality.



Based on feelings and desires? No. Based on reality, science, and what morally right or wrong? Yes. (See the golden rule.)
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Didn't even feel like googling it, huh? I guess you really are conceding the argument.
 
fskimospy said:
The number of intersex people is roughly 17x higher than you estimated and that's me being generous that you meant 0.1%. Really the sky's the limit for how wrong you are here, haha.

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No it isnt. "Identifying" as transsexual does not meet the medical definition of transsexual.

Although accurate data concerning the size of the transgender population globally are lacking, and population prevalence depends on transgender “case” definition, estimates suggest transgender identity prevalence of 0.3%−0.5% (see also White and colleagues Paper 1 of this issue).
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Global Health Burden and Needs of Transgender Populations: A Review - PMC

Transgender people are a diverse population affected by a variety of negative health indicators across high, middle, and low income settings. Studies consistently document high prevalence of adverse health outcomes in this population, including HIV ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
Josh128 said:
That is patently false, and it fails to address that the 10 commandments as a whole are summed as a whole by the golden rule, given by Christ in Matthew 7:12 of the Bible,

“Do to others whatever you would like them to do to you. This is the essence of all that is taught in the law and the prophets".

And almost all of Western law that is not specifically addressed by one of the 10 commandments, sources from the above.
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That's a common concept amongst social animals. The laws don't exist because of the 'golden rule', they exist because it's advantageous to social structures. Some guy just observed the same thing, and wrote down something that got translated to that a few hundred years ago.
 
Sure. Thats why many countries and civilization throughout history have conveniently chosen to not base their laws off of this.
 
Josh128 said:
OK bro, I see Ive triggered the evangelical atheist in you. Denying that most of western law not captured in the 10 commandments is based on at least the concept of, if not the direct reference to, the golden rule, is laughably cringe. I'll let readers decide who is delusional here. It all circles back to how the democratic party has made itself irrelevant. This is a perfect example.
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It's pretty clear you have some deep commitment to religious values. Presumably that's your cultural background at work? There are a lot of things I dislike about the Democratic Party, but this issue doesn't really feature, yet you seem weirdly fixated on it. Why is that?
 
Josh128 said:
Sure. Thats why many countries and civilization throughout history have conveniently chosen to not base their laws off of this.
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Yeah, there's a bunch of social structures that are based on authoritarianism, centralization of authority, stick vs carrot, etc. Some of those can work under some circumstances sometimes, but they usually a) don't scale well, and b) result in a lot more dead humans than one based on mutual respect and cooperation. Now you can say that's one of the reasons why the writers of the bible were enlightened (or at least that part of it) if you wish, but it's still incorrect to say that democratic (or at least 'western') laws are based on that specifically.

EDIT: Hell, based on that logic you should say that rape, murder, stoning, etc are all based on the bible too, since those were also included in the book. Which would also be stupid.
 
pmv said:
It's pretty clear you have some deep commitment to religious values. Presumably that's your cultural background at work? There are a lot of things I dislike about the Democratic Party, but this issue doesn't really feature, yet you seem weirdly fixated on it. Why is that?
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Im a Catholic, but has essentially nothing to do with the main Democratic party criticisms Ive just listed. Theres a ton of things I dislike about the Republican party too, and Im not afraid to list them at all.
 
Josh128 said:
No it isnt. "Identifying" as transsexual does not meet the medical definition of transsexual.



Global Health Burden and Needs of Transgender Populations: A Review - PMC

Transgender people are a diverse population affected by a variety of negative health indicators across high, middle, and low income settings. Studies consistently document high prevalence of adverse health outcomes in this population, including HIV ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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So to be clear your counter argument is in the most generous scenario you were only off by 300-500%?
 
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