The Trump Tariffs thread

[Pohemi]

There's strong evidence that the 2024 election was rigged in at least one or several swing states. I have no trust in it now, especially with the Orange Furher appointing election deniers to oversee voting. Because of course he would.

I still do not understand why ballot counts were sent through StarLink. Who the fuck authorized and approved that?

 

[K1052]

Naturally after implementing policy the WH eventually gets around to thinking about what the policy means in practical consequences...in this case the total collapse of rural healthcare.

https://bsky.app/profile/fintwitter.bsky.social%2Fpost%2F3lzgnozogno26

 

[NWRMidnight]

Ma

We similarly don't know if there will even be an election in 2028, some crisis could be made to materialize by then necessitating martial law.

Their might be "evidence" that Canadians bombed the Whitehouse, forcing an invasion of Canada and marital law in the USA...

A MUCH less corrupt US government invaded Iraq killing hundreds of thousand of civilians using fabricated "evidence"...

I am trying to figure out where people came to believe Martial Law can and will stop elections. Elections cannot be stopped by declaring martial law, as there is no authority or mechanism under martial law to do so. If elections do not happen, it won't be because of martial law.

 

[nakedfrog]

Ma

I am trying to figure out where people came to believe Martial Law can and will stop elections. Elections cannot be stopped by declaring martial law, as there is no authority or mechanism under martial law to do so. If elections do not happen, it won't be because of martial law.

Presumably there would be some kind of EO calling for the suspension of elections during the national emergency, states would immediately sue, and SCOTUS then calvinballs it to say this is fine, actually.
Not saying I think that's what will happen, but it's one way I could imagine it going.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Ma

I am trying to figure out where people came to believe Martial Law can and will stop elections. Elections cannot be stopped by declaring martial law, as there is no authority or mechanism under martial law to do so. If elections do not happen, it won't be because of martial law.

You are laboring under the assumption of functioning checks and balances and constitution/laws being adhered to. None of that is really happening anymore.

Trump even suggested delaying elections in his first term when he wasn't openly operating in dictator mode.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Presumably there would be some kind of EO calling for the suspension of elections during the national emergency, states would immediately sue, and SCOTUS then calvinballs it to say this is fine, actually.
Not saying I think that's what will happen, but it's one way I could imagine it going.

A President cannot delay or stop an election. That authority falls 100% on Congress.

If what you suggest happened, it would have nothing to do with Martial law. It would be due to the corrupt SCOTUS. However, such a ruling would be the last nail in the United State's coffen, where we would no longer exist as a democracy or constitutional Republic. We would be 100% an autocracies, or aka a dictatorship. They would essentially void the constitution l which would also eliminate Congress and themselves from any legitimacy or relevance, as the country would be 100% rules by one man, which is Trump's ultimate goal.

 

[NWRMidnight]

You are laboring under the assumption of functioning checks and balances and constitution/laws being adhered to. None of that is really happening anymore.

Trump even suggested delaying elections in his first term when he wasn't openly operating in dictator mode.

See my above post. However, the claim of Martial law being used to stop elections, has been thrown around long before Trump.

 

[nakedfrog]

A President cannot delay or stop an election. That authority falls 100% on Congress.

And? I assume you're aware of how norms have already been violated this term?

If what you suggest happened, it would have nothing to do with Martial law. It would be due to the corrupt SCOTUS. However, such a ruling would be the last nail in the United State's coffen, where we would no longer exist as a democracy or constitutional Republic. We would be 100% an autocracies, or aka a dictatorship. They would essentially void the constitution l which would also eliminate Congress and themselves from any legitimacy or relevance, as the country would be 100% rules by one man, which is Trump's ultimate goal.

Can't say I agree, martial law would presumably be tied into whatever the bogus national emergency is under this hypothetical scenario. I'm not sure if people are making an argument that martial law would inherently stop elections, but if you're going to prevent elections, it would probably make sense to already have martial law in place to clamp down on the inevitable protests.

 

[Heartbreaker]

A President cannot delay or stop an election. That authority falls 100% on Congress.

You mean just like the power to levy Tariffs?

 

[RnR_au]

Presumably there would be some kind of EO calling for the suspension of elections during the national emergency, states would immediately sue, and SCOTUS then calvinballs it to say this is fine, actually.
Not saying I think that's what will happen, but it's one way I could imagine it going.

Anyone who manages to insert references from one of the greatest comics of all time into a political discussion gets updooted automatically ♥️

 

[nakedfrog]

Anyone who manages to insert references from one of the greatest comics of all time into a political discussion gets updooted automatically ♥️

I appreciate it, but people have already used that term quite a bit to refer to the shenaniganry of the current SCOTUS, so I can't take credit

 

[NWRMidnight]

And? I assume you're aware of how norms have already been violated this term?

Can't say I agree, martial law would presumably be tied into whatever the bogus national emergency is under this hypothetical scenario. I'm not sure if people are making an argument that martial law would inherently stop elections, but if you're going to prevent elections, it would probably make sense to already have martial law in place to clamp down on the inevitable protests.

Except that is exactly what @Heartbreaker was implying as well as what many people in various discussions across many platforms are saying. They keep saying or implying that he wants to implement martial law so he can stop elections.

 

[NWRMidnight]

You mean just like the power to levy Tariffs?

Do you believe ending elections and Tarrifs remotely fall under the same category? Or do you believe tarrifs are as serious as the end game move of ending elections, that would end our democracy?

I get what you are trying to say, but you don't realize that if Congress, and the SCOTUS just lets him do it, he doesn't have to enact martial law to stop elections. Martial law wouldn't have anything to do with it.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Do you believe ending elections and Tarrifs remotely fall under the same category? Or do you believe tarrifs are as serious as the end game move of elections being stopped, that would end our democracy?

No.

But do you believe that difference will stop Trump from manufacturing a crisis, and throwing up massive wall of bullshit, and rolling out the army in the streets to keep the "peace", and martial law, and delay elections...

He doesn't care about laws, constitution, judges, congress, etc...

As long as Trump can keep MAGA onside, he can get away with nearly anything.

It's only if Trumps own people (MAGA and sycophants he's installed to run government) turn against him, that will stop Trump.

 

[NWRMidnight]

No.

But do you believe that difference will stop Trump from manufacturing a crisis, and throwing up massive wall of bullshit, and rolling out the army in the streets to keep the "peace", and martial law, and delay elections...

He doesn't care about laws, constitution, judges, congress, etc...

As long as Trump can keep MAGA onside, he can get away with nearly anything.

It's only if Trumps own people (MAGA and sycophants he's installed to run government) turn against him, that will stop Trump.

He can declare any emergency he wants, he can enact martial law, he can send the military to cities, he can claim what ever crisis he wants, non of which will prevent or delay elections because he ordered it so. As elections are held by the states.

Unless you believe the military will open fire on those attempting to vote if given the order byTrump. They wouldn't do it. You are not thinking rationally.

That doesn't mean he couldn't somehow get Congress to eliminate elections, which would put this country in not just a cival war, but another revolutionary war.

But at the end of the day, martial law cannot be used to ending or delay elections, which was my point.

 

[Brainonska511]

If Trump is so powerful and no one in the admin cares about laws, why are the National Guard not deployed in Chicago yet? Why is Kilmar Abrego Garcia still in Virginia? Why are Mahmoud Khalil and Rümeysa Öztürk still free? It seems that the administration, or at least some in it, still feel bound by laws. And we should always act like they should be bound by the law. Laws are just words on paper unless people believe that they have meaning. So give those laws meaning and refuse to give the administration an out by acting like they're going to do something outrageous anyway, so let's just give up in advance.

 

[Heartbreaker]

If Trump is so powerful and no one in the admin cares about laws, why are the National Guard not deployed in Chicago yet? Why is Kilmar Abrego Garcia still in Virginia? Why are Mahmoud Khalil and Rümeysa Öztürk still free? It seems that the administration, or at least some in it, still feel bound by laws. And we should always act like they should be bound by the law. Laws are just words on paper unless people believe that they have meaning. So give those laws meaning and refuse to give the administration an out by acting like they're going to do something outrageous anyway, so let's just give up in advance.

He's been at it less than a year, so he doesn't control everyone, everywhere. There is still some pushback.

If we stay on this trajectory till 2028 how much pushback will be left?

 

[Brainonska511]

He's been at it less than a year, so he doesn't control everyone, everywhere. There is still some pushback.

If we stay on this trajectory till 2028 how much pushback will be left?

Stop giving up in advance. These things show that he doesn't have a great power as you think, and his popularity is in the toilet.