The Trump regime has edited constitution.congress.gov

pauldun170

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Spot the differences
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You will notice that congress website, the site most likely to be scraped by LLM/AI companies has been edited to remove
Section 9 and Section 10 under Article I of the constitution.

Digest this and figure out the consequences and why the people behind Trump are intensely pushing for AI infrastructure.
This has huge actual impact due to the shift to AI based sources of information and what's happening in the higher education system in the US.

This is actually terrifying when you look at the big picture and where we are going as a society where we are being funneled to rely on a very small number of AI companies controlled by a very small number of people, enabled by a government that is embracing the destruction of the legal frameworks and compass that built this society.
I'm not being dramatic
 

UNCjigga

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No writ of Habeus Corpus, no emoluments clause, no authority of Congress to regulate tariffs, and no need for government transparency on how our tax dollars are being spent. No biggie…nothing to see here!!!
 
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NWRMidnight

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Spot the differences
Congress website

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Senate Website

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You will notice that congress website, the site most likely to be scraped by LLM/AI companies has been edited to remove
Section 9 and Section 10 under Article I of the constitution.

Digest this and figure out the consequences and why the people behind Trump are intensely pushing for AI infrastructure.
This has huge actual impact due to the shift to AI based sources of information and what's happening in the higher education system in the US.

This is actually terrifying when you look at the big picture and where we are going as a society where we are being funneled to rely on a very small number of AI companies controlled by a very small number of people, enabled by a government that is embracing the destruction of the legal frameworks and compass that built this society.
I'm not being dramatic
they also removed portions of section 8 that has to do with the military.
 

fskimospy

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Soon it'll be election laws..

Again, who gives a shit? The Constitution and laws don't depend on if they're on a website. It literally means nothing.

We have huge problems with Republicans ignoring laws and the Constitution but it's not because those laws aren't posted on the right website or whatever.
 

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I genuinely don't understand why people care about this. Who gives a shit what is on a website?

Call me crazy but i feel all government data should be free and clear of any biases.

Virtual or not virtual.

We live in a age of the internet i would hope there is place where you can get the true data and a .gov domain should be one of them as it is owned by all of the people.
 

pauldun170

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Again, who gives a shit? The Constitution and laws don't depend on if they're on a website. It literally means nothing.

We have huge problems with Republicans ignoring laws and the Constitution but it's not because those laws aren't posted on the right website or whatever.

Start with Cambridge Analytica and the weaponization of information and now look at the current state of the how information flows and the impact of AI on society.
They are centralizing information flows to the US population and these companies are tightly aligned with the Trump regime (there is a reason why JD Vance was paired with Trump)
AI companies have impacted our education system, our media and just about every aspect of our life whether your realize it or not.

If what a student or researcher pulls from perplexity or Open AI or ChatGPT or whatever omits information from the source material or if the sources provided are steered to specific sources as the a backing material, the beliefs and opinions of that person can be shaped.

We have a generation being raised on AI results.
Libraries have been criminalized, defunded and attacked.
The education system is being criminalized defunded and attacked.
What you see as a simple "whatever" misses the fact that Government websites were once considered reliable sources of information concerning the laws of the United States.

There is a bigger picture here.
Project 2025 called for cessation of efforts to counter mis/disinformation and the migration to AI companies across the landscape has placed control of information in the hands of very bad fucking people.

 

NWRMidnight

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Again, who gives a shit? The Constitution and laws don't depend on if they're on a website. It literally means nothing.

We have huge problems with Republicans ignoring laws and the Constitution but it's not because those laws aren't posted on the right website or whatever.
You should give a shit. Thinking it doesn't matter is exactly why it's extremely dangrious right now where we have an administration, as well as a lot of Republican states doing everything they can to limit and reduce education across the nation. AKA there goal is to make people dumber, so they don't have the knowledge to question their actions. This is just another form of doing just that. Specially where the younger generation is concerned who depend on the internet to get their information.

As citizens, our biggest weapon is knowledge, about our government, our constitution, and our laws. If they work and succeed in removing various paths to gain that knowledge, which this falls under, they deminish our ability to fight back, and can be used to manipulate people into believing things that are not true, even where the consitution is concerned. We already have a substantial number of people who don't know that the Republican's are ignoring the laws, and the constitution, where something like this could add more people to that group because they won't know any different if they look up and fall on this altered version of the consitution.
 

fskimospy

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So what, is the idea that if the government deletes something off a single website that the country will forget that part of the Constitution exists or something despite it being present in thousands or maybe even millions of other locations?

This seems like utter nonsense to me.
 

fskimospy

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You should give a shit. Thinking it doesn't matter is exactly why it's extremely dangrious right now where we have an administration, as well as a lot of Republican states doing everything they can to limit and reduce education across the nation. AKA there goal is to make people dumber, so they don't have the knowledge to question their actions. This is just another form of doing just that. Specially where the younger generation is concerned who depend on the internet to get their information. As citizens, our biggest weapon is knowledge, about our government, our constitution, and our laws. If they work and succeed in removing various paths to gain that knowledge, which this falls under, they deminish our ability to fight back, and can be used to manipulate people into believing things that are not true, even where the consitution is concerned.
I most definitely give zero shits. They can delete it entirely from the website for all I care as it's meaningless.

Is the idea that people are learning about habeas corpus guarantees by googling the US Constitution and reading that express article? If you need to do that then there's about a zero percent chance you even know what habeas corpus is.

Let's imagine this the other way around. Say we have an electorate that is mired in ignorance about the Constitution and we want to change this. If someone said 'I've got it - we'll put a section with the text of this article on a website!' we would all laugh at them for how completely useless and inadequate a solution that would be and we all know it.
 

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So what, is the idea that if the government deletes something off a single website that the country will forget that part of the Constitution exists or something despite it being present in thousands or maybe even millions of other locations?

This seems like utter nonsense to me.

Why not just have the whole thing there? what would that hurt?

Fox news and etc will link a report to the website and say it does exist.

But we already have people in power who dont even know what is the current law.. I will give you kristi noem.. where she did not even know what habeas corpus is

we need the complete law listed all the time

full stop
 
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NWRMidnight

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I most definitely give zero shits. They can delete it entirely from the website for all I care as it's meaningless.

Is the idea that people are learning about habeas corpus guarantees by googling the US Constitution and reading that express article? If you need to do that then there's about a zero percent chance you even know what habeas corpus is.

Let's imagine this the other way around. Say we have an electorate that is mired in ignorance about the Constitution and we want to change this. If someone said 'I've got it - we'll put a section with the text of this article on a website!' we would all laugh at them for how completely useless and inadequate a solution that would be and we all know it.
I never thought of you as naive, but you really are making it hard to not re think that. Where are you getting the "We" from? You are assuming that everyone has the same knowledge as you do, or that I do. We live in a time that a massive amount of citizens can't even point out state capitals on a map, and you think they have the knowledge to know what the constituion says or what habeaus corpus is? How can people laugh at someone for pulling up that web site, if they don't know any better.
 

fskimospy

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I never thought of you as naive, but you really are making it hard to not re think that. Where are you getting the "We" from? You are assuming that everyone has the same knowledge as you do, or that I do. We live in a time that a massive amount of citizens can't even point out state capitals on a map, and you think they have the knowledge to know what the constituion says or what habeaus corpus is? How can people laugh at them if they don't know any different?
You're making my point for me - they don't know what these things are and an entry on a website isn't going to change that.
 

fskimospy

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Why not just have the whole thing there? what would that hurt?

Fox news and etc will link a report to the website and say it does exist.

But we already have people in power who dont even know what is the current law.. I will give you kristi noem.. where she did not even know what habeas corpus is

we need the complete law listed all the time

full stop
It wouldn't hurt and they should have it listed in its entirety.

It's also not a meaningful thing to get outraged about so again - who gives a shit.
 

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It wouldn't hurt and they should have it listed in its entirety.

It's also not a meaningful thing to get outraged about so again - who gives a shit.


Why put the effort in the first place..

where do we draw the line? (eg removing things)

this is like lying by omission..


hay trump removed the WASP / Tuskegee airmen .. who gives a shit right??


but back to the topic..

trump already cherry picks into.. he was caught the other day saying he had like 70% approval rating..

but the interviewer had to tell him that was among republicans..

people like him will point to that website and say here is the law and others are lying..

I just dont get why you dont get this.. it happens all the time..

person lies
person points to data that is lying in this case by omission
the base eats it up

we see this time and time again.. it has to stop

by ignoring this it makes it worse
 

NWRMidnight

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You're making my point for me - they don't know what these things are and an entry on a website isn't going to change that.
Are you trying to imply that looking up things on a web site doesn't allow people to gain knowledge about a subject? In this case it would be the constituion. So you believe people wouldn't or can't gain any knowledge from that web site if it was accurate? You do realize that government web sites are used in our educational system across the nation, right? Because the government is supposed to be a source of trusted information, including, the text of the constitution.

So in your eyes, it doesn't matter if people land on that web site and get mislead about what the consitution says, in it's current form.. It means nothing, so why give a shit. And people wonder why we are in the position we are in today. Thanks for giving us an example of what has helped put us here.
 

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Are you trying to imply that looking up things on a web site doesn't allow people to gain knowledge about a subject? In this case it would be the constituion. So you believe people wouldn't or can't gain any knowledge from that web site if it was accurate? You do realize that government web sites are used in our educational system across the nation, right? Because the government is supposed to be a source of trusted information, including, the text of the constitution.

So in your eyes, it doesn't matter if people land on that web site and get mislead about what the consitution says, in it's current form.. It means nothing, so why give a shit. And people wonder why we are in the position we are in today. Thanks for giving us an example of what has helped put us here.
Hey if you want to get worked up about this don't let me stop you! I will continue to give zero shits.
 

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Hey if you want to get worked up about this don't let me stop you! I will continue to give zero shits.
I mean it does matter. Trumps just going to ignore court rulings against him but he really does care about being made to look wrong in the eyes of the public.
So if he can keep the bits of the constitution that he doesn't like hidden away in a dusty corner that only constitutional scholars can find rather than people being able to screenshot it from the .gov websites (which he is going to consider 'his' website) and tweet it at him he's going to do that.
 

fskimospy

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I mean it does matter. Trumps just going to ignore court rulings against him but he really does care about being made to look wrong in the eyes of the public.
So if he can keep the bits of the constitution that he doesn't like hidden away in a dusty corner that only constitutional scholars can find rather than people being able to screenshot it from the .gov websites (which he is going to consider 'his' website) and tweet it at him he's going to do that.
The Constitution is housed in thousands or maybe millions of places on the internet as we speak. The idea that he's going to be able to 'hide it in a dusty corner that only constitutional scholars can find' by deleting a page in a website I bet you didn't even know existed until you read about it is preposterous.

It's on fucking Wikipedia, a source that way more people probably use for this than that website.

What, are people going to forget we have habeas corpus rights (at least theoretically) because of this? I bet like 25% of Americans even know what that is and remember, that's with this website being around probably for decades.
 

fskimospy

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Also copies of the constitution are available on lots of other government sites and are apparently unaltered. When they were implementing their dastardly plan is there any reason why they only did it to one of many many copies?
 
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So what, is the idea that if the government deletes something off a single website that the country will forget that part of the Constitution exists or something despite it being present in thousands or maybe even millions of other locations?

This seems like utter nonsense to me.
Nonsense? Do you recall how many times the right have whitewashed history or told people what they see and hear isn't real?

Are you already boiled?
 
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