The torture tape fingering Bush as a war criminal

[JD50]

Originally posted by: alejandroAT


Propaganda hey? I get BBC, CNN, Al-Jazeera, State Greek TV, Independent channels and newspapers from around the world to my local corner shop....I get points of views from all countries and all people and then i make up my choices. I travel around Europe and I meet people from Sweden, Germany, Marocco, Japan, China, India, Pakistan ,Russia blah blah blah and discuss with them.....what exposure do you have over world information that resembles any of the above so you can accuse my thoughts of being a propaganda product.

And I never claimed that the MAJORITY of Americans are dying in the streets. I only made that remark in response to some guy's claims of american superiority. Nevertheless, you can go tell the people in New Orleans about wealth and power I'm sure they'll back you up 100%.

AS for who you are sending to be tortured:

http://www.amnesty.org/en/report/info/AMR51/088/2005
http://www.amnesty.org.uk/acti...tails.asp?ActionID=221

Ok, so you're just full of shit then. You said...

Last I checked the police over there doesn't need to watch over people to gather information. They just hood them up, send them to guandanamo and torture them till they get what they want, no chages no nothing. Just like in Iraq or China.# '

That is a lie. US Police are not rounding up US citizens and throwing them into Gitmo.

Then you said...

About the healthcare you don't want, well you are one of the lucky few that can actually afford it and don't die out on the streets. Good that you feel satisfied with that as a working system of a civilised country.

Yet another lie, "few" being the keyword there. More than "a few" of us have healthcare....As for New Orleans, my Dad was born and raised in New Orleans and his whole family is still there. As a matter of fact my great Aunt who has been a nun for 60 years is finally moving back into her home. My Grandfather just moved back about a year ago and my Uncle and cousins still live just on the other side of Lake Ponchartrain. But I guess you know more about whats going on in New Orleans than I do because you heard it on the BBC at your local corner shop....:roll:

Actually, I was wrong when I said that you are just full of shit, I think its a combination of the propaganda and you being full of shit.

Edit - cleaned up quotes

 

[Moonbeam]

TLC: Yet you continue replying. In fact, you initially went on your foul-mouthed, ad-hom rant because you reacted to a post of mine. So obviously you have noticed and that style drives you to the brink of unhinged lunacy.

M:

TLC: Naturally. I wouldn't expect you to judge anything that requires you to be bright.

M:

TLC: All while being stuck on your little shell, blissfully unaware that you're the sum of excretions. btw, most pearls never become gems.

M:

TLC: Bolded to highlight the idiotic irony of your italicized statement.

Therapy indeed.

M:

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
TLC: Yet you continue replying. In fact, you initially went on your foul-mouthed, ad-hom rant because you reacted to a post of mine. So obviously you have noticed and that style drives you to the brink of unhinged lunacy.

M:

TLC: Naturally. I wouldn't expect you to judge anything that requires you to be bright.

M:

TLC: All while being stuck on your little shell, blissfully unaware that you're the sum of excretions. btw, most pearls never become gems.

M:

TLC: Bolded to highlight the idiotic irony of your italicized statement.

Therapy indeed.

M:

I dig out of my heart for most people, to make it seem, to give them the benefit of the doubt.

For you Moonbeam,, i find that you are simply ignorant.

I've seen it where you have not resorted to your tell tales about bullshit where you have tried to describe something you probably once knew.

Would you mind if i include you in a study of how pot really does make you senile before you are 30?

It'd be you and some friends of mine that are equally whacked out of reality, all pot smokers.

Maybe it could be an infomercial, "don't smoke pot or you'll end up like moonbeam.

Any additions would be welcome.

Oh, BTW Moonbeam, have i told you how much i hate you lately?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: alejandroAT


Propaganda hey? I get BBC, CNN, Al-Jazeera, State Greek TV, Independent channels and newspapers from around the world to my local corner shop....I get points of views from all countries and all people and then i make up my choices. I travel around Europe and I meet people from Sweden, Germany, Marocco, Japan, China, India, Pakistan ,Russia blah blah blah and discuss with them.....what exposure do you have over world information that resembles any of the above so you can accuse my thoughts of being a propaganda product.

And I never claimed that the MAJORITY of Americans are dying in the streets. I only made that remark in response to some guy's claims of american superiority. Nevertheless, you can go tell the people in New Orleans about wealth and power I'm sure they'll back you up 100%.

AS for who you are sending to be tortured:

http://www.amnesty.org/en/report/info/AMR51/088/2005
http://www.amnesty.org.uk/acti...tails.asp?ActionID=221

Ok, so you're just full of shit then. You said...

Last I checked the police over there doesn't need to watch over people to gather information. They just hood them up, send them to guandanamo and torture them till they get what they want, no chages no nothing. Just like in Iraq or China.# '

That is a lie. US Police are not rounding up US citizens and throwing them into Gitmo.

Then you said...

About the healthcare you don't want, well you are one of the lucky few that can actually afford it and don't die out on the streets. Good that you feel satisfied with that as a working system of a civilised country.

Yet another lie, "few" being the keyword there. More than "a few" of us have healthcare....As for New Orleans, my Dad was born and raised in New Orleans and his whole family is still there. As a matter of fact my great Aunt who has been a nun for 60 years is finally moving back into her home. My Grandfather just moved back about a year ago and my Uncle and cousins still live just on the other side of Lake Ponchartrain. But I guess you know more about whats going on in New Orleans than I do because you heard it on the BBC at your local corner shop....:roll:

Actually, I was wrong when I said that you are just full of shit, I think its a combination of the propaganda and you being full of shit.

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You miss the point, the definition of torture is clearly defined the people who have done it and hose who ordered them to do it (this would be up to Majors rank if i know shit about the situation there) should be handed over to the Haag court and tried for warcrimes, everyone and i do mean EVERYONE above them should face the same court.

 

[Deudalus]

Originally posted by: alejandroAT


Propaganda hey? I get BBC, CNN, Al-Jazeera, State Greek TV, Independent channels and newspapers from around the world to my local corner shop....I get points of views from all countries and all people and then i make up my choices. I travel around Europe and I meet people from Sweden, Germany, Marocco, Japan, China, India, Pakistan ,Russia blah blah blah and discuss with them.....what exposure do you have over world information that resembles any of the above so you can accuse my thoughts of being a propaganda product.

Well let me put it to you another way...

I could get all my news from Romney, McCain, Guiliani, and Huckabee. That is multiple sources that are all going to feed me the same shit. Would that be anywhere close to getting both sides of any issue?

The BBC is state run and even their Ombudsman have come out and said that far too many of their journalists are making news rather than reporting it. CNN i have no problem with for the most part. Al-Jazeera makes me laugh. State Greek TV hrm, now lets think about that....

BBC = state owned and run TV.
State Greek TV = state owned and run TV.

Do I trust anything 100% that the government owns, runs, and pays for? Nope!

The indie news thing is so comical I won't even address it.

And I never claimed that the MAJORITY of Americans are dying in the streets. I only made that remark in response to some guy's claims of american superiority. Nevertheless, you can go tell the people in New Orleans about wealth and power I'm sure they'll back you up 100%.

No, you said "I'm one of the lucky ones that can afford health insurance and not die in the streets."

You also bring up New Orleans which you know absolutely nothing about and you think that's your trump card.

Guess what, I fucking live in New Orleans dude and you don't have a fucking clue.


Louisiana just elected Jindal to be the governor, he's a Republican by the way and the first Republican governor in forever. He ran against several other candidates and still got over 50% of the vote preventing a run off. New Orleans itself is now more conservative than ever as well and they just voted unanmiously to tear down all the projects in the city. No more free public housing.

No more liberal mentality when it comes to making people dependents of the government.

But I bet your state run news and Al-Jazeera hasn't reported these things have they?

 

[Deudalus]

In fact let me ask you this alejandroAT.....

From what you have stated we are basically:

Nazi dictatorship
Majority of people dying in the streets
Economy plummeting
etc, etc

So why bother with us? Why not just let us circle down the tubes?

But at least we aren't such busy bodies that we are running around telling you what your problems are do we? I don't go next door and tell my neighbors how to raise their kids. I don't think I've ever bothered to tell them "oh by the way everyone else on the street hates you too."

If we suck so much then why are you so obsessed with us?

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: Deudalus
In fact let me ask you this alejandroAT.....

From what you have stated we are basically:

Nazi dictatorship
Majority of people dying in the streets
Economy plummeting
etc, etc

So why bother with us? Why not just let us circle down the tubes?

But at least we aren't such busy bodies that we are running around telling you what your problems are do we? I don't go next door and tell my neighbors how to raise their kids. I don't think I've ever bothered to tell them "oh by the way everyone else on the street hates you too."

If we suck so much then why are you so obsessed with us?

Erm, do you realize the US is a superpower? Western Europe is quite firmly hitched to the US bandwagon. If the US goes downs the drains it will suck Europe with it. Trends in the US have a tendency to be exported to Europe, and many Europeans are sensitive to what is coming out of the US.

 

[JS80]

I see this thread is just a big left-wing circle jerk.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: alejandroAT
About the healthcare you don't want, well you are one of the lucky few that can actually afford it and don't die out on the streets. Good that you feel satisfied with that as a working system of a civilised country.

You have much to learn about our health care system.

Here, if your unemployed or poor, you get Medicaid (free health care). There is no cap, you get all major medical covered. From what I can see, it's the best policy in the world and it's free.

When I was in France, if you weren't working, you weren't covered. Now I hear that they're augmenting national health care with optional major medical coverage (I believe we automatically had that back when I was working there). Sounds like their care is not as good as our Medicaid.

Fern

 

[Deudalus]

Originally posted by: GrGr

Erm, do you realize the US is a superpower? Western Europe is quite firmly hitched to the US bandwagon. If the US goes downs the drains it will suck Europe with it. Trends in the US have a tendency to be exported to Europe, and many Europeans are sensitive to what is coming out of the US.

Ahh, yet the EU was formed at least in part to compete with the US and China so explain it to me how that was a great idea?

Do any of you know what hegemonic stability theory is? Do you understand what type of problems the EU, US, and China all being equal world powers creates?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
TLC: Yet you continue replying. In fact, you initially went on your foul-mouthed, ad-hom rant because you reacted to a post of mine. So obviously you have noticed and that style drives you to the brink of unhinged lunacy.

M:

TLC: Naturally. I wouldn't expect you to judge anything that requires you to be bright.

M:

TLC: All while being stuck on your little shell, blissfully unaware that you're the sum of excretions. btw, most pearls never become gems.

M:

TLC: Bolded to highlight the idiotic irony of your italicized statement.

Therapy indeed.

M:

I dig out of my heart for most people, to make it seem, to give them the benefit of the doubt.

For you Moonbeam,, i find that you are simply ignorant.

I've seen it where you have not resorted to your tell tales about bullshit where you have tried to describe something you probably once knew.

Would you mind if i include you in a study of how pot really does make you senile before you are 30?

It'd be you and some friends of mine that are equally whacked out of reality, all pot smokers.

Maybe it could be an infomercial, "don't smoke pot or you'll end up like moonbeam.

Any additions would be welcome.

Oh, BTW Moonbeam, have i told you how much i hate you lately?

No I don't think you have. By the way, I really like you. Your post, however, is useless to me because it only expresses your ire and says nothing about what it is founded on.

I see I am ignorant and full of bs and smoke pot and am senile and am whacked out and should make a infomercial, but you provide nothing as ground any of that on. My guess is that I affect a part of you you are unconscious you have and while you feel your reaction you haven't the faintest idea why. It probably doesn't help much either, to see that your opinion of me doesn't have the intended effect since I have know for years and years that such reactions in people to me is a reaction to a self in them that they hate. It's really hard to bother somebody who knows far more than you. By the way, I still like you and there's not a damn thing you can do about that either. I see some real character there. Cheers!

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
TLC: Yet you continue replying. In fact, you initially went on your foul-mouthed, ad-hom rant because you reacted to a post of mine. So obviously you have noticed and that style drives you to the brink of unhinged lunacy.

M:

TLC: Naturally. I wouldn't expect you to judge anything that requires you to be bright.

M:

TLC: All while being stuck on your little shell, blissfully unaware that you're the sum of excretions. btw, most pearls never become gems.

M:

TLC: Bolded to highlight the idiotic irony of your italicized statement.

Therapy indeed.

M:

I dig out of my heart for most people, to make it seem, to give them the benefit of the doubt.

For you Moonbeam,, i find that you are simply ignorant.

I've seen it where you have not resorted to your tell tales about bullshit where you have tried to describe something you probably once knew.

Would you mind if i include you in a study of how pot really does make you senile before you are 30?

It'd be you and some friends of mine that are equally whacked out of reality, all pot smokers.

Maybe it could be an infomercial, "don't smoke pot or you'll end up like moonbeam.

Any additions would be welcome.

Oh, BTW Moonbeam, have i told you how much i hate you lately?

No I don't think you have. By the way, I really like you. Your post, however, is useless to me because it only expresses your ire and says nothing about what it is founded on.

I see I am ignorant and full of bs and smoke pot and am senile and am whacked out and should make a infomercial, but you provide nothing as ground any of that on. My guess is that I affect a part of you you are unconscious you have and while you feel your reaction you haven't the faintest idea why. It probably doesn't help much either, to see that your opinion of me doesn't have the intended effect since I have know for years and years that such reactions in people to me is a reaction to a self in them that they hate. It's really hard to bother somebody who knows far more than you. By the way, I still like you and there's not a damn thing you can do about that either. I see some real character there. Cheers!

You just don't get it Moonbeam , it was a perfect hate.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: alejandroAT
About the healthcare you don't want, well you are one of the lucky few that can actually afford it and don't die out on the streets. Good that you feel satisfied with that as a working system of a civilised country.

Only one in ten (10%) Americans lack healthcare because they cannot afford it.

90% of Americans have, and/or can afford, health insurance.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
TLC: Yet you continue replying. In fact, you initially went on your foul-mouthed, ad-hom rant because you reacted to a post of mine. So obviously you have noticed and that style drives you to the brink of unhinged lunacy.

M:

TLC: Naturally. I wouldn't expect you to judge anything that requires you to be bright.

M:

TLC: All while being stuck on your little shell, blissfully unaware that you're the sum of excretions. btw, most pearls never become gems.

M:

TLC: Bolded to highlight the idiotic irony of your italicized statement.

Therapy indeed.

M:

I dig out of my heart for most people, to make it seem, to give them the benefit of the doubt.

For you Moonbeam,, i find that you are simply ignorant.

I've seen it where you have not resorted to your tell tales about bullshit where you have tried to describe something you probably once knew.

Would you mind if i include you in a study of how pot really does make you senile before you are 30?

It'd be you and some friends of mine that are equally whacked out of reality, all pot smokers.

Maybe it could be an infomercial, "don't smoke pot or you'll end up like moonbeam.

Any additions would be welcome.

Oh, BTW Moonbeam, have i told you how much i hate you lately?

No I don't think you have. By the way, I really like you. Your post, however, is useless to me because it only expresses your ire and says nothing about what it is founded on.

I see I am ignorant and full of bs and smoke pot and am senile and am whacked out and should make a infomercial, but you provide nothing as ground any of that on. My guess is that I affect a part of you you are unconscious you have and while you feel your reaction you haven't the faintest idea why. It probably doesn't help much either, to see that your opinion of me doesn't have the intended effect since I have know for years and years that such reactions in people to me is a reaction to a self in them that they hate. It's really hard to bother somebody who knows far more than you. By the way, I still like you and there's not a damn thing you can do about that either. I see some real character there. Cheers!

well, do you smoke pot?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

well, do you smoke pot?

Do you smoke pot? If so, why aren't you sharing? :shocked:

Whether or not you do, what does that have to do with the topic of this thread? :roll:

And even if you do, unlike the Bushwhackos' acts of torture, illegal imprisonment and more, the good news is, it isn't a war crime.

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Originally posted by: GrGr

Erm, do you realize the US is a superpower? Western Europe is quite firmly hitched to the US bandwagon. If the US goes downs the drains it will suck Europe with it. Trends in the US have a tendency to be exported to Europe, and many Europeans are sensitive to what is coming out of the US.

Ahh, yet the EU was formed at least in part to compete with the US and China so explain it to me how that was a great idea?

Do any of you know what hegemonic stability theory is? Do you understand what type of problems the EU, US, and China all being equal world powers creates?

Actually that is a good topic for a new thread. I am not sure what kind of competition you are talking about though?

 

[Moonbeam]

well, do you smoke pot?

How else can we explain all the candy wrappers on my plywood desk, or whatever it is?

Reminds me of a line in Blade Runner:

Roy: "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain. [Pause] Time to die."

I use coffee and tea and once in a great while some ibuprofen and nothing else, sorry.

If you want a real trip take the one that leads within by following your feelings. There is nothing to compare if you want to blow your mind.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If you want a real trip take the one that leads within by following your feelings. There is nothing to compare if you want to blow your mind.

I prefer orgasms... does it count if some of those are done alone? :evil:

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If you want a real trip take the one that leads within by following your feelings. There is nothing to compare if you want to blow your mind.

I prefer orgasms... does it count if some of those are done alone? :evil:

Count for what?

What I know is that I look like an insane drug addict to you because to know what I know would require you to enter into what feels to you to be madness. Been there and done that. The onion is pealed layer by layer, not suddenly and all at once, under guidance and with understanding. Because we all have a real self no matter how hidden, we all know the truth at the deepest level.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If you want a real trip take the one that leads within by following your feelings. There is nothing to compare if you want to blow your mind.

I prefer orgasms... does it count if some of those are done alone? :evil:

Count for what?

What I know is that I look like an insane drug addict to you because to know what I know would require you to enter into what feels to you to be madness. Been there and done that. The onion is pealed layer by layer, not suddenly and all at once, under guidance and with understanding. Because we all have a real self no matter how hidden, we all know the truth at the deepest level.

Bahhhhh. You are the invisible man. When you took your make-up off, the madness you felt was the end of your existence.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If you want a real trip take the one that leads within by following your feelings. There is nothing to compare if you want to blow your mind.

I prefer orgasms... does it count if some of those are done alone? :evil:

Count for what?

What I know is that I look like an insane drug addict to you because to know what I know would require you to enter into what feels to you to be madness. Been there and done that. The onion is pealed layer by layer, not suddenly and all at once, under guidance and with understanding. Because we all have a real self no matter how hidden, we all know the truth at the deepest level.

I think Shrek once said something about being an onion... and then Donkey said something about onions smelling real bad.

hmmm... I wonder...