The answer, Corbett, is only if it benefits their political agenda.
Sad but yet so utterly true. :|
Sad but yet so utterly true. :|
I have no political agenda. Democrats make me pretty much as sick as Republicans do. I find you and people like you, who poo poo other people's moral standards as anything but political to be the worst sort of scum. You can have no real moral values yourself if you can believe that other's values are sourced in party affiliation.
Only a turd defends torture. That includes you too Corbett.
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Short answer yes, and it should really concern anyone than values American lives that the universal hatreds of GWB&co torture translates in a guilt by association to make taking any America life morally justifiable to a greatly increased fraction of the world.
And when terrorists take American lives, they don't see the individual humanity in our troops but instead see it as a way to strike a blow against GWB&co depravity.
As Corbett, in his hatred of terrorists is willing to embrace their lack of morals values and become just like the people he demonizes.
TastesLikeChicken
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To quote Supertramp, Harvey - "Dreamer. Nothing but a dreamer."Originally posted by: Harvey
Said the child in total denial of reality. Talk to us when you can post ANYTHING other than the same old bullshit and denials.
Here's reality, Harvey - The tape doesn't "finger Bush as a war criminal" and even though your pea-sized brain is unlikely to grasp the why of that, Andrew Sullivan should know better than to utter that kind of rhetorical tripe.
We ALREADY know that the waterboarding happened. The admin has admitted it. So has the CIA. Copious amounts of documentation back up that fact. The tapes were nothing more than video evidence of the proceedings. Their existence would serve as little in the way of damning evidence. Their potential public exposure, however, would surely serve to inflame the radical Muslims and their enablers here in the US. No doubt those bleeding hearts who protest the waterboarding "torture" of sick, evil fucks, while at the same time salivating at the thought of Bush swinging from the gallows, would surely be bent out of shape too.
But continue on with your faux outrage and the incessant repetition of your Harv-perbole. If nothing else you're a fascinating study in e-OCD.
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
To quote Supertramp, Harvey - "Dreamer. Nothing but a dreamer."Originally posted by: Harvey
Said the child in total denial of reality. Talk to us when you can post ANYTHING other than the same old bullshit and denials.
Here's reality, Harvey - The tape doesn't "finger Bush as a war criminal" and even though your pea-sized brain is unlikely to grasp the why of that, Andrew Sullivan should know better than to utter that kind of rhetorical tripe.
We ALREADY know that the waterboarding happened. The admin has admitted it. So has the CIA. Copious amounts of documentation back up that fact. The tapes were nothing more than video evidence of the proceedings. Their existence would serve as little in the way of damning evidence. Their potential public exposure, however, would surely serve to inflame the radical Muslims and their enablers here in the US. No doubt those bleeding hearts who protest the waterboarding "torture" of sick, evil fucks, while at the same time salivating at the thought of Bush swinging from the gallows, would surely be bent out of shape too.
But continue on with your faux outrage and the incessant repetition of your Harv-perbole. If nothing else you're a fascinating study in e-OCD.
You cowardly piece of garbage. You think that hiding the smell of your ass makes it stink any less. Let the people of the world witness us at our worst. Let them look right up your putrid ass. What they will see is somebody who has the courage to expose his worst, and hold himself accountable for it. They will see somebody with more guts and dedication to truth and justice than they could ever have. You pitiful sad coward. You think you can hide how much you hate yourself but it's obvious to everybody. In the war of ideas and ideals, he who tells the truth, the real truth, will win. Only the country dedicated to open confrontation to its own faults will show the world real leadership. You should move to some third rate country where cowards work all day to pretend they're what they're not. You spineless simpering worm.
If American lives or morals meant anything to you, you would want to immediately withdraw from Iraq. You like to twist with politics but that fails in the face of morality.
I believe that our troops are helping save more american lives by being in Iraq. It has nothing to do with politics.
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
To quote Supertramp, Harvey - "Dreamer. Nothing but a dreamer."Originally posted by: Harvey
Said the child in total denial of reality. Talk to us when you can post ANYTHING other than the same old bullshit and denials.
Here's reality, Harvey - The tape doesn't "finger Bush as a war criminal" and even though your pea-sized brain is unlikely to grasp the why of that, Andrew Sullivan should know better than to utter that kind of rhetorical tripe.
We ALREADY know that the waterboarding happened. The admin has admitted it. So has the CIA. Copious amounts of documentation back up that fact. The tapes were nothing more than video evidence of the proceedings. Their existence would serve as little in the way of damning evidence. Their potential public exposure, however, would surely serve to inflame the radical Muslims and their enablers here in the US. No doubt those bleeding hearts who protest the waterboarding "torture" of sick, evil fucks, while at the same time salivating at the thought of Bush swinging from the gallows, would surely be bent out of shape too.
But continue on with your faux outrage and the incessant repetition of your Harv-perbole. If nothing else you're a fascinating study in e-OCD.
Yep, impeachment would be a shoe in then. If only those tapes existed and showed direct contact between the torturers and the people who gave the command (bush/cheney).
The words you just typed are politics. If morality meant something to you, you wouldn't want any deaths at all. No war, no injuries, no casualties of any kind. But you justify it in your mind by preemptive means. Immoral does not beget morals. Iraq has no means in which to attack us. You are essentially saying "we are fighting them there so they don't come here" and that is nothing short of HORSESHIT.
Of course I dont want anyone to die. But I believe if we were to pull our troops out, that would cause more deaths in the end. I'd rather have our brave men who volunteered to fight, fight a war for us, rather than have innocent civilians killed again by coward terrorists. Nothing political about it.
TastesLikeChicken
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lol. You're about as pathetic as Harvey. But at least you have better prose and sentence structure.Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
To quote Supertramp, Harvey - "Dreamer. Nothing but a dreamer."Originally posted by: Harvey
Said the child in total denial of reality. Talk to us when you can post ANYTHING other than the same old bullshit and denials.
Here's reality, Harvey - The tape doesn't "finger Bush as a war criminal" and even though your pea-sized brain is unlikely to grasp the why of that, Andrew Sullivan should know better than to utter that kind of rhetorical tripe.
We ALREADY know that the waterboarding happened. The admin has admitted it. So has the CIA. Copious amounts of documentation back up that fact. The tapes were nothing more than video evidence of the proceedings. Their existence would serve as little in the way of damning evidence. Their potential public exposure, however, would surely serve to inflame the radical Muslims and their enablers here in the US. No doubt those bleeding hearts who protest the waterboarding "torture" of sick, evil fucks, while at the same time salivating at the thought of Bush swinging from the gallows, would surely be bent out of shape too.
But continue on with your faux outrage and the incessant repetition of your Harv-perbole. If nothing else you're a fascinating study in e-OCD.
You cowardly piece of garbage. You think that hiding the smell of your ass makes it stink any less. Let the people of the world witness us at our worst. Let them look right up your putrid ass. What they will see is somebody who has the courage to expose his worst, and hold himself accountable for it. They will see somebody with more guts and dedication to truth and justice than they could ever have. You pitiful sad coward. You think you can hide how much you hate yourself but it's obvious to everybody. In the war of ideas and ideals, he who tells the truth, the real truth, will win. Only the country dedicated to open confrontation to its own faults will show the world real leadership. You should move to some third rate country where cowards work all day to pretend they're what they're not. You spineless simpering worm.
naw, its stiring up shit in the region and keeping gas prices high. When they want us they will walk across the unsecure mexican border.
That is hypothetical. You have no proof of that claim. Thats why its a political answer. Contrary to that, bringing home troops would in fact save lives immediately.
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
lol. You're about as pathetic as Harvey. But at least you have better prose and sentence structure.Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
To quote Supertramp, Harvey - "Dreamer. Nothing but a dreamer."Originally posted by: Harvey
Said the child in total denial of reality. Talk to us when you can post ANYTHING other than the same old bullshit and denials.
Here's reality, Harvey - The tape doesn't "finger Bush as a war criminal" and even though your pea-sized brain is unlikely to grasp the why of that, Andrew Sullivan should know better than to utter that kind of rhetorical tripe.
We ALREADY know that the waterboarding happened. The admin has admitted it. So has the CIA. Copious amounts of documentation back up that fact. The tapes were nothing more than video evidence of the proceedings. Their existence would serve as little in the way of damning evidence. Their potential public exposure, however, would surely serve to inflame the radical Muslims and their enablers here in the US. No doubt those bleeding hearts who protest the waterboarding "torture" of sick, evil fucks, while at the same time salivating at the thought of Bush swinging from the gallows, would surely be bent out of shape too.
But continue on with your faux outrage and the incessant repetition of your Harv-perbole. If nothing else you're a fascinating study in e-OCD.
You cowardly piece of garbage. You think that hiding the smell of your ass makes it stink any less. Let the people of the world witness us at our worst. Let them look right up your putrid ass. What they will see is somebody who has the courage to expose his worst, and hold himself accountable for it. They will see somebody with more guts and dedication to truth and justice than they could ever have. You pitiful sad coward. You think you can hide how much you hate yourself but it's obvious to everybody. In the war of ideas and ideals, he who tells the truth, the real truth, will win. Only the country dedicated to open confrontation to its own faults will show the world real leadership. You should move to some third rate country where cowards work all day to pretend they're what they're not. You spineless simpering worm.
Actually I think he did pretty well summing up the partisan politics the few of you spew over morality all day long.
Jaskalas
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Yeah, when the f' are we going to start dealing with them over here? The political war in this nation over Iraq is a distraction.
Either we're in Iraq securing it, or we want to lock away everyone who sent us to Iraq, but who wants to deal with the Islamists in our country and actually secure America? Securing Iraq is not dealing with them. Attacking Republicans is not dealing with them, does anyone care?
We really do deserve whatever they accomplish next, for we?re doing NOTHING about it.
OH NOES! YOU JUST GAVE AWAY THE SECRET! NOW TERRORISTS WILL BE STREAMING OVER THAT BOARDER! GLOOM AND DOOM!
But in all seriousness, we know that if they (terrorists) wanted to attack us they could have already. This administration doesn't care about the boarders in reality. They just wanted to push the agenda of protecting america from terrorist so they could get into Iraq and its oil supply. If it was important to protect us they would start with the boarders. Odd that they haven't. An agenda at play maybe?
American troops deaths are at some of the lowest we have seen in years. Now is a better time than ever to let them do their job over there.
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The Jaskalas fantasy is contained in the following Statement-------Either we're in Iraq securing it, or we want to lock away everyone who sent us to Iraq, but who wants to deal with the Islamists in our country and actually secure America? Securing Iraq is not dealing with them. Attacking Republicans is not dealing with them, does anyone care?
The point being, before we can do anything effective elsewhere, we must control ourselves at home. Unfortunately we let half the people do something stupid, and now that those half of the American people have become a minority, we still can't get to the point where we reject the stupidity of GWB to try something better. The Iraqi pooch is already screwed and pregnant, the GWB&co who broke it can't fix it, so job one is rejecting GWB&co. Then job two is to unite as a nation with a plan to stabilize Iraq. But job two can't really start until job one is done no matter how hard Jaskalas pretends that it can.
Various dems have already gotten over that hill of admitting they were wrong and most of the GOP in congress can achieve the same redemption by doing he same.
The point being, before we can do anything effective elsewhere, we must control ourselves at home. Unfortunately we let half the people do something stupid, and now that those half of the American people have become a minority, we still can't get to the point where we reject the stupidity of GWB to try something better. The Iraqi pooch is already screwed and pregnant, the GWB&co who broke it can't fix it, so job one is rejecting GWB&co. Then job two is to unite as a nation with a plan to stabilize Iraq. But job two can't really start until job one is done no matter how hard Jaskalas pretends that it can.
Various dems have already gotten over that hill of admitting they were wrong and most of the GOP in congress can achieve the same redemption by doing he same.
Troop deaths are low, yet the political situation between the Shiites, Kurds, and Sunnis has not improved. Civilian death rates are also just about the same. You know, they're actually starting to run out of civilians to kill in some Baghdad neighborhoods. Maybe that's what Bush is waiting for? Then he can come in an claim victory. Only there's still the rest of Iraq to worry about, include the pro-Iranian Shiites who are ready to secede from Iraq and join up with Iran.
So how is the surge going to improve all that?
It isn't. Bush is stalling so he can slither out of office. The Iraq war is unwinnable. We are in an open-ended occupation there, and one day--soon--it's going to be time to pull out, because we can't afford Iraq anymore. We can't even afford to maintain the surge past spring.
What a pathetic argument. You had a leg to stand on 1 year ago when we had hundreds of troops dieing each month, but now that the surge is working, you dont. You are so blinded by your hatred for Bush that you cant even acknowledge the progress over there.
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The Corbett fantasy is that the overall violence level is going to continue to stay low in Iraq. While it certainly would be great for all if it does, the potential for violence to resume at ever heightened levels is likewise possible because, if anything, the various Iraqi insurgencies are better armed than ever.
To some extent the Iraqi insurgencies are using the time to consolidate their gains and rearm because they are the de facto local government. But as Biden and others have pointed out, the next likely phase will be Turf wars as larger insurgent groups violently take over the turf of smaller groups. And as our surge de surges in troop numbers, its still comes down to not enough troops to run an occupation.
Sadly, the surge has not brought any political progress to help establish a central government. And the down side danger of political progress is renewed opposition by insurgent groups who may decide various political solutions are unacceptable and will be
violently opposed.
Each and every year 800 of out troops have died. And even if things stay quiet, by the time we reach the year five in Iraq mile post, we will have gotten to a count of 4000 because we are close to 3900 now. But now Iraq is as explosive as ever. One spark and it could all go.
Wiser leadership hopes for the best but plans for the worst. We still have no plan other than hope for the best. We all hope violence will stay low but hope is not a viable plan.
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