The top 1%.. except Bernie

[darkswordsman17]

Imagine if all the money from employers & employees put into the system were simply redefined as taxes instead of premiums. Imagine that the stress of being laid off wasn't complicated by the need to pay health insurance premiums when you can least afford to do so. Imagine getting a new job where you didn't have to wait to be eligible for coverage. Imagine not getting screwed by inadvertently choosing an out of network provider. Imagine how much better it could be for us all if we made a commitment to take care of each other instead of just ourselves.

Horrifying, ain't it?

 

[MixMasterTang]

Is it stupid though? I mean the border wall is almost fully funded via donations from real Americans.

/s

You almost had me mate!

 

[zinfamous]

some stuff......

My point is, if he believes the top 1% should give more of their income away, let's say up to 70%, why doesn't he than already voluntarily donate 40% of his income

....and more stuff

always the dumbest example of an idiotic argument. It just always is. You probably embarrass 3rd graders. The point is to fix the tax code, brosef.

 

[mect]

A single individual isn't going to make a difference. This is why collective action exists. I don't expect any millionaire or billionaire to just voluntarily pay more taxes. I don't even mind those that maximize all their deductions to try to minimize their tax liability. It makes sense to do so. If a coach believed the three point line should be moved back two feet, he's not going to make his players shoot behind where he thinks the line should be. He's going to play by the rules as they exist, and then lobby to get the rules changed to what he thinks is appropriate. Its like crowdfunding. Its one thing to pledge money to something based on them accumulating sufficient funds to complete the project. Far fewer people are going to just blindly give money to the cause with no guarantee that the money will in any way help get the product launched.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Someone else might have made this point as well. That establishing that the government should be in charge of things like providing medical coverage, education, and other things, is a very important distinction, so arguing that if he feels like he should give his money away via taxes, he should give it to charity shows a fundamental lack of understanding. Charities do not have the capabilities that a sovereign government does. And their entire point is that's how it should be. This is stuff that the government was specifically created for, and is uniquely positioned to deal with. And if its enshrined as part of government capacity, it would have the inelastic income that many of these things require in order to be viable. Furthermore, for the complaints about squandering or misusing funds, doing that with federal government money would be especially serious and should have near constant oversight (which charities often will not have to the same degree).

 

[Pipeline 1010]

It's a joke, son. Bernie never made $10M in a single year. 70% of nothing is nothing.

Thanks, dad. It flew right over my head. I have shamed my ancestors.

 

[Jaskalas]

Trump is being primaried by a respectable Republican. I think you will be able to soften the mortar with the Republican babies you're about to eat and shit. You guys are going to be profoundly mentally challenged making up your minds if you want a narcissistic psychopath or not. Don't weep. You're going to get a chance at redemption. See, God loves you.

Ugh, when you say it like that I cannot help but think of Republican's acceptance of Trump as the ultimate manifestation and evolution of their self hate. To so readily and willingly devolve into THAT of all things. Most voted against him in the primary... until they didn't. Until he was the only one left standing. The only one ugly enough to show the world their blackened hearts. Then they cheered as that venom was spit towards "the enemy". Little did they know, that's the same poison coursing through theirs veins. And Lord only knows how they survive such a thing.

 

[senseamp]

I love how Republicans who suck up to the conservative rich like their daddies are also super envious of any liberals who are even moderately wealthy.

 

[thraashman]

Is it stupid though? I mean the border wall is almost fully funded via donations from real Americans.

Socialized programs like Medicare are doing really well now since true American capitalists have stopped using the program.

We have also seen a record number of conservative businesses (businesses ran or owned by Republicans) out right stop buying from foreign entities in order to reduce the trade deficit.

All of that and more is happening because it's a well known fact that Republicans/and the right are not hypocrites and they live by the rules they hold everyone else to.




/s

Reminds me of something I've heard a few times with right wing states trying to ban abortion. You know who'll always have access to abortions in this nation? The mistresses of Republican politicians.

 

[dank69]

I love how Republicans who suck up to the conservative rich like their daddies are also super envious of any liberals who are even moderately wealthy.

They don't understand tax code at even the most fundamental levels. Their entire tax policy is "taxes are bad."

 

[Moonbeam]

They don't understand tax code at even the most fundamental levels. Their entire tax policy is "taxes are bad."

That's why Mexico will pay for the wall unless, of course, the wall becomes Trump's ego and Mexico says no. Then we will steal the money from other tax sources. There's a price to be paid for insanity but only the uninfected will notice.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Ahh what a strange place the world is. If Bernie has his way he will be penalized, but if Mitch and Trump had theirs Bernie would pay nothing.

 

[dank69]

Ahh what a strange place the world is. If Bernie has his way he will be penalized, but if Mitch and Trump had theirs Bernie would pay nothing.

It is threads like this one that highlight the utter absurdity of bothsiders. Bothsiders build their cases on the premise that all politicians are self-serving assholes that do not care about the people they represent. Yet one side consistently votes in favor of policy that would hurt themselves and their donors financially while the other side votes for policy that benefits the top 0.01% and themselves regardless of how much harm it causes for everyone else.

It has been this way for decades, yet Democrats still have trouble getting and maintaining power. If we lived in a sane world, the Republican party would have been finished after Dubya's disastrous results.

 

[Vic]

I love how Republicans who suck up to the conservative rich like their daddies are also super envious of any liberals who are even moderately wealthy.

It's purely emotional nonsense on their part. Their straw man that liberals are socialists who hate success tells them that the only way a liberal can become successful is through hypocrisy.
That liberals are actually small "c" capitalists, trying to round off the edges of capitalism in order to ensure greater equality of opportunity, and to block against the resurgence of aristocracy, just doesn't occur to them. Their cognitive dissonance won't allow it.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's purely emotional nonsense on their part. Their straw man that liberals are socialists who hate success tells them that the only a liberal can become successful is through hypocrisy.
That liberals are actually small "c" capitalists, trying to round off the edges of capitalism in order to ensure greater equality of opportunity, and to block against the resurgence of aristocracy, just doesn't occur to them. Their cognitive dissonance won't allow it.

They are poor in spirit. Self hate creates emotional neediness that is a bottomless pit. There is only one exit from that state of poverty and it is real self respect. The road to self respect lies through the realization that all men are created equal and that there is an inherent divinity within. To love the other is to love and honor that God in whose image such love makes real and manifests.