The time is Ati

lavaheadache

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The point of this thread is to commend Ati for being erh Ati.

There was a time that any serious gamer should own a Voodoo card or if you were real serious and like spending a couple of weeks pay checks 2 voodoo cards(sli, yeah baby). 3dfx was king and held that position for quite sometime. I will go so far as to say no will ever dominate the gfx card industry like 3dfx did in the mid to late 90s.

Then along came Nvidia which in all their glory gave us a multitude of great products from tnt, tnt2 , to geforce. This is when Nvidia owned and toppled(kinda bought) 3dfx as King of the eye candy and fps. I will say that my visiontek Ti 4200(Walmart special) was single handedly the best card I have ever owned. It oc'ed like a mutha and held it's own until Doom 3, which I ll add still played the game but not at the levels of satisfaction the game is capable of. I bought that card because for some reason my voodoo 5 sh*t the bed, I turned on my computer and blamo There was no video, boo hoo. I was dead set on getting an fx seies card but after seeing my buddies alienware a-51 with 5600 ultra fall to its knees on 3dmark 03 I believe his score was in th the upper 2000s, and the someone who was playing halflife 2 on a 5700 ultra, I looked else where

I decided this time around I wanted to see what all the steam about Ati is all about and settled on a 9600xt. What a great card, The ability to overclock in its own drivers, temp display, small in size(compare it or any ati to any geforce on the market today). Nice all around package. But I had Doom 3 fever and wanted to see what it would take to run this game as it was intended. 9700pro, nice card excellent performance but wanted more bang. 9800 pro excellent card, awesome performance but still not top dawg. x800 pro DING DING DING. What a beast! This card is King and its not even the best one out. Now I know all of you are saying that Geforce cards are better for Doom 3 but I also play half life 2 and let me say we all know how the fx cards play on that game. Im sure that the 6800 series are great performer but I think Ati has really got a nice product line and that for the vast majority of people who cant afford X800 and 6800 cards there is no other choice than something from ati be it a 9600, 9700, or 9800 preferebly in the pro or xt flavor.

Just my 2 cents. Im sure Ill get a ton of flamers but this is my opinion and you cant take it from me. hehe
Cheers for reading my BS
 

iversonyin

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Originally posted by: lavaheadache
Im sure that the 6800 series are great performer but I think Ati has really got a nice product line and that for the vast majority of people who cant afford X800 and 6800 cards there is no other choice than something from ati be it a 9600, 9700, or 9800 preferebly in the pro or xt flavor.

Just my 2 cents. Im sure Ill get a ton of flamers but this is my opinion and you cant take it from me. hehe
Cheers for reading my BS

The reason 9500/9700 9600 and 9800PRO are all great cards is Nvidia flunk bad on FX line. But the new 6 series (6600GT-6800Ultra) is going to take over pretty soon.

It depend on your budget as well. For $200, i'll take 6600GT over x700XT

 

lavaheadache

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so you are saying only because nvidia fx series flunk ati is ok, I noticed you own ati 9500 its strange that the tone in your post is pro nvidia.
 

Rage187

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just because he's not sucking off Ati in his post, does not mean he's pro nvidia.



Personally I'll take which ever video card has the best features and performance. This go round it was Nvidia.

Couldnt be happier with the 6800gt, 6800nu and a 6600GT.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Rage187
just because he's not sucking off Ati in his post, does not mean he's pro nvidia.



Personally I'll take which ever video card has the best features and performance. This go round it was Nvidia.

Couldnt be happier with the 6800gt, 6800nu and a 6600GT.

Hmm... I've been stuying benchmarks looking for PCIe cards seems x800xt/pe is faster in most things than 68U. Some huge like@ 16x12 4x8x which is where I'd like it.
 

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Thanks for showing us your belly button :p
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: lavaheadache
so you are saying only because nvidia fx series flunk ati is ok, I noticed you own ati 9500 its strange that the tone in your post is pro nvidia.

Well, contrary to popular belief, not everyone who owns a ATI card is an ATI fanboy. Same goes for Nvidia. Nice sattire post btw. I was almost motivated to make some popcorn. I really don't understand what the point of this thread is, but, more power to ya. ATI makes good stuff. This coming from a guy who owns 3 (three) GeForce 6800GT's and 1 (one) GeForce 6800.

 

Cdubneeddeal

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If the ATI's were more affordable and more readily available I would have hands down bought one. But the 6800OC was in my price range and had the features I was looking for. IMO ATI screwed up with their x line. Nvidia is owning now due to ATI not meeting supply demands. I also think, my opinion, is that ATI was shocked that Nvidia could produce such a good card with high supplies. ATI probably thought the new line of 6xxx cards would flunk like the FX series did, boy were they wrong ;)
 

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I think ATI is starting to lose their market advantage they had 1-2 yrs ago with the 9700-9800 line.

The x800 line is way too expensive and supply problems are hurting their chances.

I would love to get a x800 XL for $299 but it is selling for over $400 and not gonna drop anytime soon until supplies picks up which will not happen for atleast 6 month, my bet.




 

Cdubneeddeal

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Originally posted by: Rage187
My local BB still has the preorder box on the shelf for the x800pro.

LOL..pre-order. Pre-order for a card that's been out for a while.
 

Ackmed

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Originally posted by: Rage187
My local BB still has the preorder box on the shelf for the x800pro.


Its just thier empty box, showing the product.

Really, you should try harder.
 

Melchior

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Best features performance and value. We're consumers with brains aren't we?

Btw, the X800 Pro is most likely the last card in the world I would buy. For 100 dollars more, (Retail) you get so much more bang for the buck its not even funny.
 

Rage187

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: Rage187
My local BB still has the preorder box on the shelf for the x800pro.


Its just thier empty box, showing the product.

Really, you should try harder.





we were just there at lunch, its the preorder box.


No stores have them for hundreds of miles area code 89509

Go to BB online and do a store availability search.
 

Killrose

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Ati needs to be able to deliver product to end users instead of just the OEM market. They need some mid-teir AGP product too. Looking at benches of a X700pro VS 6600GT, it appears the cards are equal as long as you are interested in a single card solution only. But without an AGP version of the X700pro, anyone in the market for a good $200-$215 AGP up-grade really has no where to go other then the 6600GT.
 

LTC8K6

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The ATI cards are showing up at online places. Newgg had the X850 XT in stock this morning.

IMO, speed wise this round is a tie. NV is faster in some areas, ATI is faster in others.

SLI is not ready for prime time yet, imo.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: vision33r
I think ATI is starting to lose their market advantage they had 1-2 yrs ago with the 9700-9800 line.

The x800 line is way too expensive and supply problems are hurting their chances.

I would love to get a x800 XL for $299 but it is selling for over $400 and not gonna drop anytime soon until supplies picks up which will not happen for atleast 6 month, my bet.

That's true. thier biggest problem is/has neen availability causing above MSRP pricing and limited stock in retail chain. If they stocked they would have sold. Least nvidia I can go to frys or BB and grab an GT or ultra right now in vaious flavors. I still have never found an 800XT, 800XTPE, or and 850 variants in stock.

It's been this way since 800 seies card was introduced. Even now they are hard to find online especially for msrp.

Another problem is 800pro should have been $325 not $399++. GT stole lots of business away from mid/high segment right there. It was faster, more feature and same price.

Incedently, one reason I'm looking at pcie 800xt is because nvidia is pulling the same crap ATI did just a year ago. Can't find PCIe ultras-- and when you do thier $650-$850!!!
 

nitromullet

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x800 pro DING DING DING. What a beast! This card is King

Try again... The 6800GT is a superior performer in general and costs about the same.

people who cant afford X800 and 6800 cards there is no other choice than something from ati be it a 9600, 9700, or 9800 preferebly in the pro or xt flavor.

Try a bit of research before you post...

1) The 9700 series is done. Most places don't even stock these cards anymore. However, the 9700 Pro is a good value card to pick up on ebay for pretty cheap if that is your thing.

2) The 9800 Pro is not a bad card at all for the money, but the GeForce 6600GT is better. The 9800 XT is still way over priced ($350+ at most stores). Why would anyone even consider this card!?!

3) The 9600 series... I have no idea... Why are you recommending a last generation mid-range card to anyone?
 

lavaheadache

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I find it funny that you refer to me as sucking ati's post. When am in fact an nvidia fan as well im just highy umipressed with the the product line that so many people own, The mainstreamfx series which is a pile of crap filled with garbage card after garbage card. lets see 5200 pile o crap, 5500 pile o crap, 5700 o.k., 5800 im not sure that even made it passed the drawing board, 5900 and 5950 decent product if you dont get vanilla. Like I already stated 6800 series is a completely different beast and umfamiliar with as I have NO experience with yet it seems as they are great cards.
Someone asked what the point of the thread is? That I was basically giving props to Ati for making good products all across the board, in fact the only cards they have ever made that i think are substandard were the rage line. I thought it was ok for me to sit here write my opinion about something cause I have nothing better to do on a Monday other than check out the forum and converse with fellow forumites. Tell if you think that any of the radeon chipsets right from the start with the original 7000 are not decent products. I know Most of nvidia are decent but just recently ie. fx 5200 which is worse than even its predessor the ti 4x00, The fx 5600 even the ultra are Terrible cards.
As to the unavailability on the x800 series I dont care I have one. Sucks if you cant find one, must mean that not everyone like some people that replied in this thread think x800 is an underachiever. The x800 pro has 12 pipes vs the 6800gt has 16 no wonder it performs better in some aspects but, put that card against the x850 or even the x800 xtpe and see the tides change.
I look forward to future flames
 

nitromullet

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The x800 pro has 12 pipes vs the 6800gt has 16 no wonder it performs better in some aspects but, put that card against the x850 or even the x800 xtpe and see the tides change.

yet, the 6800GT and the X800 Pro are equally priced... I would expect the X800 XT/XT PE and the X850 XT PE to be better, they are more expensive. For me, it isn't the specs that a card has, it's what I get for my money.
 

lavaheadache

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Mullet errrr Nitromullet,

I reread my first post a few times and at no time did I recommend the 9600 series mearly stated it performed well for the MAINSTREAM gamer It plays all the current dx9 games and well, I know cause I own it. There is not a better card for the money, compare it to nvidias card at the same price group: The awesome(sarcasm) 5600 ultra. in case you didnt know MOST people out in the world dont look for the wildest cards out there like the people in this forum do. I dont need to do research cause I already have. You seem to pick out that I said the X800 is king. I said that meaning it ran the doom 3 like a champ, not that it was the best , Stop being ignorant Mullet.
The 9700 is dead only because it got revised as the 9800. Basically the same chipset just updated.
 

Keysplayr

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: Rage187
My local BB still has the preorder box on the shelf for the x800pro.


Its just thier empty box, showing the product.

Really, you should try harder.

Try harder to do what?