The time change must die!

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lxskllr

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It gives farmers that extra hour of sunlight for working. (main reason)

Studies have shown that it reduces the amount of traffic accidents in the evening since there is still daylight.

edit: Here, just read this. It has a lot of information regarding it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time

I agree that it can be annoying, but I know there are a lot of benefits and reasons for it; I had to do a research paper on DST in high school :awe:

Farmer's schedules are wide open. They can get up earlier if they want more light. Same goes with any business. It's not as though seasonal hours aren't kept anyway, regardless of DST. As far as the accidents/energy savings goes, the numbers are controversial, and don't equal more than a statistical anomaly either way. All it does is dick up people's internal clock, and affect their natural sense of time.
 

Leros

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Farmer's schedules are wide open. They can get up earlier if they want more light. Same goes with any business. It's not as though seasonal hours aren't kept anyway, regardless of DST. As far as the accidents/energy savings goes, the numbers are controversial, and don't equal more than a statistical anomaly either way. All it does is dick up people's internal clock, and affect their natural sense of time.

Doesn't it also save a bit of energy? We come home form work an hour earlier, so we can save a little bit of money heating our homes at night.
 

lxskllr

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Doesn't it also save a bit of energy? We come home form work an hour earlier, so we can save a little bit of money heating our homes at night.

I don't think it works the way you've written it, but I understand the idea. I don't buy into the theory. Energy gets used regardless of where you physically are. For the individual household, I don't think the personal savings would equal a rounding error by the end of the year, likewise for the company. One may pay slightly more, and the other slightly less, but countrywide, it balances out.
 

l0cke

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It's time we got rid of it.

I would move to Arizona, because they don't have it. Too bad it's Arizona.
 

Jeff7

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I don't think it works the way you've written it, but I understand the idea. I don't buy into the theory. Energy gets used regardless of where you physically are. For the individual household, I don't think the personal savings would equal a rounding error by the end of the year, likewise for the company. One may pay slightly more, and the other slightly less, but countrywide, it balances out.
One example that comes to mind - in the summer, if you have more available hours to enjoy some free time in daylight, you'll do that, rather than being inside enjoying your free time under artificial lighting. Or something like that.
The DoE report says that there is an improvement in energy usage with DST. It's small, less than 1%, but it's there. And in a country that uses as much power as we do, <1% still amounts to a lot of watts.


If they'd just be so kind as to keep the damn start and end times the same, then more devices could easily integrated some software routines to calculate the start and end, and automatically change the time when needed.
 

Fingolfin269

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What is it everyone is wanting to get rid of? DST? Or are you wanting to stay on DST all the time? Or do you not care either way and just want them to stop changing the time? :p
 

Red Squirrel

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We live in a democracy... so what I say they should do is pass a vote. I bet it would be like 90&#37; in favor of abolishing it. Then pass another vote on what mode we should go to, then change it to that, and keep it there forever, and end this DST crap!

DST does not really serve any purpose. It's still going to be dark when we go to work in the morning (it's just going to get bright an hour early, while at work) and it's still going to be dark when I get home from work. Either way, I need to use lights.
 

Dumac

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There is absolutely no significant reasons to get DST.

There are countries that don't use it, and they function perfectly fine.
 

airdata

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Daylight savings was for a time when farmers had to work harder and weren't subsidized by government.

I think we could safely do away with it.
I came in to work today... the security system has been an hour off since the last change and it still is !! so, my mind is blown there because I can't figure out why it's an hour off instead of evening out or being 2 hours off.

And then the phone system time is off too. All un needed problems.

So now in the morning I'll get to hear people complaining about how the phones are ringing an hours before they should be since people around here don't like to answer their phones til 8:30am even if they're ringing and they're already at their desk.
 

Red Squirrel

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Not looking forward to the issues we will have tomorrow. Almost tempting to call in sick. I rarely do that, so I could easily get away with it if I decided to do it. I don't recall too many issues in the past years though, so everything might actually be ok.
 

DrPizza

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Daylight savings was for a time when farmers had to work harder and weren't subsidized by government.

I think we could safely do away with it.
I came in to work today... the security system has been an hour off since the last change and it still is !! so, my mind is blown there because I can't figure out why it's an hour off instead of evening out or being 2 hours off.

And then the phone system time is off too. All un needed problems.

So now in the morning I'll get to hear people complaining about how the phones are ringing an hours before they should be since people around here don't like to answer their phones til 8:30am even if they're ringing and they're already at their desk.

No it wasn't. Farmer's have never been for DST.
 

disappoint

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It's an anachronism that needs to be removed. I am sure if somebody in congress pushed to get it finally stopped and locked down one way or the other most would support it.

what he said. it's cronyism that needs to be removed.

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KidNiki1

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What is it everyone is wanting to get rid of? DST? Or are you wanting to stay on DST all the time? Or do you not care either way and just want them to stop changing the time? :p

idc which and idc why, just effin pick one and thats it. stop changing it.
 

edro

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The government should not be allowed to mess with nature like this.
Just think how confused the animals and plants must be when they change the dawn and dusk times!
 

IndyColtsFan

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Indiana was the most recent state to start using DST, sometime in the 2005 or 2006 timeframe. The governor sold it to the legislature as "saving money" in terms of energy costs, etc.

A study was conducted in the last couple of years and it indicated that the switch ended up costing Indiana more money than if we had stayed the same and NOT observed DST. Grrrr.
 

ShawnD1

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Or just everyone use GMT all the time. Yeah it might be odd for a while to have the sun rise at 14:00, but at least it's consistent.
That's actually not a bad idea. When the HR people say I need the time sheet done by 2PM, I wouldn't need to check where the hell HR is located (New Jersey).


And, overall, it saves energy in the US. (Something like 1.5 billion kilowatt hours.)
The lights in my office are on when people are inside even when it's mid July, so that doesn't change. The city lights work using light detectors, so that doesn't change. The light outside my porch uses motion sensors, so that doesn't change. The light next to my walkway uses light sensors, so that doesn't change either. I always drive with my headlights on so that doesn't change.
 
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