The Tea Party is about the ECONOMY!

[CallMeJoe]

Really, refresh my memory. What organ was it again that changes DNA?

Please refrain from further feeding the Troll

 

[ShawnD1]

lmao. It's true. I live next to the coast and my body is getting more webbing inbetween my fingers in anticipation that i may go in the water.

Racists claim black people are slow to evolve and that's why they wear puffy coats in summer when everyone else has the AC blasting
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Really, refresh my memory. What organ was it again that changes DNA?

DNA can be ripped apart and changed by radiation and certain chemicals. Those chemicals are called mutagens and that radiation is called ionizing radiation. That's actually one of the ways we estimate whether or not light is dangerous. Ionizing light, such as UV light, is dangerous because it can rip apart DNA and cause cancer. Low energy light, like cell phone signal, is safe because it cannot destroy DNA.

 

[jackschmittusa]

Matt1970

Have you even read the other posts?

There is no mechanism in a species to control DNA modification intentionally, and there is no need for such a thing. I have no idea why you seem to think there must be one.

Genetic mutations occur all of the time in species. Most have no perceptible affect on a species ability to survive and propagate in its environment. A few changes have negative effects and are usually weeded out if they inhibit a species ability to survive and propagate. A few changes are beneficial by enhancing a species ability to survive and propagate. These changes are passed on to the following generations. This is a continuous cycle, and as the changes accumulate, a new species may evolve that is distinctly different from its ancestors. No decisions were made, no commands issued to DNA to alter itself.

 

[JSt0rm]

Let that fool live in the dark ages. Less competition for real food and women.

 

[Matt1970]

Oh but there are. There are secluded islands where animals have ended up isolated from thier ancestors and end up evolving completely differn't due to thier environment. Environment can definatly make changes in a creatures evolution.

 

[Matt1970]

Let that fool live in the dark ages. Less competition for real food and women.

So far in a debate you have called me a fool and a retard. Is that how you deal with everything you can't understand or answer?

 

[sandorski]

So far in a debate you have called me a fool and a retard. Is that how you deal with everything you can't understand or answer?

Apparently he understands you quite well. Congrats.

 

[JSt0rm]

So far in a debate you have called me a fool and a retard. Is that how you deal with everything you can't understand or answer?

stfu peasant. Your god teaches you to be meek and humble. Show me you know how.

 

[wuliheron]

Well I'd prefer a reasonable opposition. If they had common sense non-draconian economic proposals, sure. I'd probably disagree but it's annoying when your political adversaries act like caricatures.

Get over it.

The US has always been filled with caricatures pushing one draconian political agenda after another. Hell, we invented Fundamentalist Christianity and Bible thumping. Irrational-foam-at-the-mouths-R-US and nothing short of a major catastrophe will change that.

Science can only do much.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Explain instinct. Where in the sperm and or egg is the set of instructions that tells a creature what to do when born? How does that get programmed? That’s all done by testicles and ovaries. Explain how a tree with no known intelligence or conscience can evolve to produce a chemical that repels bugs or can bear a fruit that animals will eat and disperse it's seeds. For that matter, explain how a creature knows to evolve in the first place. What part of out body controls the DNA changes we sent to our offspring and what part of out body tells our offspring to start growing arms instead of fins, or lungs instead of gills. If we all really evolved from a single celled organism, which is probably the case, then what told that organism to seek nourishment, or how to multiply.

Maybe before you call someone ignorant you should really take a look at the complexity of the world around you and wonder how it all came to be from a single celled organism. To sum up, in the vast scheme of things the way they are, science really doesn't know squat.

There are thousands of pages to read on your questions, i can't really even start to educate someone as ignorant as you on this matter because for every explanation and understanding i'd give you you'd dismiss it.

God did it, no matter what reality says, that trumphs all, let's leave it at that and let you bask in your ignorance, ok?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Oh but there are. There are secluded islands where animals have ended up isolated from thier ancestors and end up evolving completely differn't due to thier environment. Environment can definatly make changes in a creatures evolution.

So you believe in natural selection as per the TOE?

I don't get your point.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Matt1970

"For that matter, explain how a creature knows to evolve in the first place."

Just asking this shows your ignorance. There is no requirement for any species to "know" it should evolve, and evolution science makes no such reference to anything like it.

Instinct is in fact, programed into DNA. Many animals supplement this information storehouse with a brain that allows for additional storage and allows for processing a wider range of variables in their environment.

Trees that have the traits you mention are more likely to survive and reproduce than those that don't. They never needed any intelligence to make a decision, they simply had DNA that allowed them to prosper in their environment while other species did not.

There is no "willful" control by an organism of its DNA, and evolution makes no claim that such a thing is required. Both random mutation and environmental factors can cause significant changes in DNA, by mutation and switching gene sequences on or off. All very well documented facts.

DNA instructed your body to grow arms instead of fins. I would think you should know that.

"science really doesn't know squat"

That's actually pretty funny. You equate your minuscule knowledge of science to the vast body of knowledge that science actually represents. The classic example of a closed mind.

Acetylation and Methylisation of cells makes them grow what they are told to grow, no fetal stem cell is destined to beome anything but what it is programmed to do.

I like that the programming in itself seems to be genetic, even our traits from nurture are genetically passed onto our offspring.

Nova is going to kick arse!

 

[soulcougher73]

Oh but there are. There are secluded islands where animals have ended up isolated from thier ancestors and end up evolving completely differn't due to thier environment. Environment can definatly make changes in a creatures evolution.

No one doubts this. Did you have a point with this?

 

[DominionSeraph]

I already know about the mutations in DNA, but it doesn't "JUST" happen. Something has to tell that tree it needs a defensive system. Something has to tell the DNA string to change.

Oh Jesus, he's running with command evolution.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

 

[Matt1970]

There are thousands of pages to read on your questions, i can't really even start to educate someone as ignorant as you on this matter because for every explanation and understanding i'd give you you'd dismiss it.

God did it, no matter what reality says, that trumphs all, let's leave it at that and let you bask in your ignorance, ok?

Call me ignorant all you want but all I am asking what makes the DNA in our body change or mutate the way it does ? Environment clearly plays a factor so something inside our body has to be telling the DNA what to do. It shouldn't take thousands of pages to answer.

I am not expecting you guys to know the answer because really science doesn't know the answer.

 

[sandorski]

so something inside our body has to be telling the DNA what to do.

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No. Roll some dice. Does something need to tell the dice where to stop?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Call me ignorant all you want but all I am asking what makes the DNA in our body change or mutate the way it does ? Environment clearly plays a factor so something inside our body has to be telling the DNA what to do. It shouldn't take thousands of pages to answer.

I am not expecting you guys to know the answer because really science doesn't know the answer.

You want tenths of thousands of pages educating you on this? www.talkorigins.org has all of them, why would i repost them just so you could ignore them?

See, religious twats already have their reality, no proof of it and all proof against it are summarily dismissed.

Meanwhile, intelligent human beings already know the answer and we don't really care if you do or not, it's your ignorance and you are welcome to keep it.

At most i pity you a bit.

 

[comptr6]

Call me ignorant all you want but all I am asking what makes the DNA in our body change or mutate the way it does ? Environment clearly plays a factor so something inside our body has to be telling the DNA what to do. It shouldn't take thousands of pages to answer.

I am not expecting you guys to know the answer because really science doesn't know the answer.

Ok Matt my pastor sent me this info DNA I hope it helps you understand the wonders of God's creation!

An excellent example of intelligent design is the DNA molecule. Since its discovery by James Watson and Francis Crick in 1953, evolutionists have faced an insurmountable hurdle. Anyone who truly investigates the mystery of the DNA molecule -- this incredible micro, digital, error-correcting, redundant, self duplicating, information storage and retrieval system, with its own inherent language convention, that has the potential to develop any organism from raw biological material -- understands that life is the result of Intelligent Design. In light of recent discoveries such as the DNA molecule, the absurdity of the evolution argument is readily apparent when its basic formula is compared with that of the creation model of origins. Creation states that matter + energy + information = incredibly complex life. Evolution states that matter + energy + random chance = incredibly complex life. The theory of evolution is merely a religion that serves to discredit the Intelligent Designer Himself

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

No. Roll some dice. Does something need to tell the dice where to stop?

No, it's acetylication and methylisation, the on and off switches in the DNA pairs, they tell every cell what to do.

If you are interested, look up epigenetics, it deals with this exact issue.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Ok Matt my pastor sent me this info DNA I hope it helps you understand the wonders of God's creation!

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Can we ban this fucking twat already?

 

[DominionSeraph]

Can we ban this fucking twat already?

You haven't yet figured out that he is P&N? P&N is the absolute toilet of the internet. Even /b/ wouldn't put up with the level of stupidity exhibited by the rabble here.
Somehow Anandtech got to be the gathering place for the dumbest conservatives on the planet. And given that your average conservative ain't too bright, that's saying something.

 

[sandorski]

You haven't yet figured out that he is P&N? P&N is the absolute toilet of the internet. Even /b/ wouldn't put up with the level of stupidity exhibited by the rabble here.
Somehow Anandtech got to be the gathering place for the dumbest conservatives on the planet. And given that your average conservative ain't too bright, that's saying something.

It's where Freepers come to look all Geeky and shit.

 

[Steeplerot]

You haven't yet figured out that he is P&N? P&N is the absolute toilet of the internet. Even /b/ wouldn't put up with the level of stupidity exhibited by the rabble here.
Somehow Anandtech got to be the gathering place for the dumbest conservatives on the planet. And given that your average conservative ain't too bright, that's saying something.

Conservatism does not hold up well to reality, thus in a forum of mostly intelligent folks you mainly get conservative trolls (the "I hate liberals and want to piss them off I don't care about the issue-both sides are bad" types and then just your braindead shill who repeats talk radio talking points and ignores all evidence to the contrary when called out.

I watch real Conservatives debate throughout history, and everyone of them fall flat when called out. It's the nature of conservatism, they make their own reality to support the hypocrisy of the reactionary mindset.

Conservatism only exists when the Reactionary propaganda-feeder can debate ALONE. This is why Limbaugh and deregulation of media = the start of rabid conservatism, because he could spin the fantasy-world reactionaries wanted to hear. It's literally Balkanization of US culture from the right.

It's not that Conservatives are too stupid to hear reality, they know they are buying into bullshit, they have no interest in reality. These folks need a leader and a daddy to think for them. It's a authoritarian (to be fair self-preservation) trip some people are on. I guess it makes sense from a evolutionary standpoint to have regressive folks around, I always thought the best of humanity were always the ones brave enough to seek out new truths and challenge their own realities to face what lies over the horizon instead of living in a past that never existed. Reactionary ideas are not my thing.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

You haven't yet figured out that he is P&N? P&N is the absolute toilet of the internet. Even /b/ wouldn't put up with the level of stupidity exhibited by the rabble here.
Somehow Anandtech got to be the gathering place for the dumbest conservatives on the planet. And given that your average conservative ain't too bright, that's saying something.

Shut the fuck up and go back to posting ponies.

I don't like over the top any kind, liberals or conservatives have become fucking parodies of real life politics compared to other nations.

Apparently the US politicians saw South Park as influential on voters and so they try to act like the characters portrayed, since then a lot of voters have followed suit.

Look, i don't know what a /b/ is and i really don't care either, just fucking GO AWAY, ok?

When i joined the intelligent discourse was high on this forum, now... it's fucking retarded.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Conservatism does not hold up well to reality, thus in a forum of mostly intelligent folks you mainly get conservative trolls (the "I hate liberals and want to piss them off I don't care about the issue-both sides are bad" types and then just your braindead shill who repeats talk radio talking points and ignores all evidence to the contrary when called out.

I watch real Conservatives debate throughout history, and everyone of them fall flat when called out. It's the nature of conservatism, they make their own reality to support the hypocrisy of the reactionary mindset.

Conservatism only exists when the Reactionary propaganda-feeder can debate ALONE. This is why Limbaugh and deregulation of media = the start of rabid conservatism, because he could spin the fantasy-world reactionaries wanted to hear. It's literally Balkanization of US culture from the right.

It's not that Conservatives are too stupid to hear reality. They have no interest in it. So that's that.

Shut the fuck up, pretty please with sugar on top.

Why argue against nothing to portray another group in a particular way? What is the point of that you retarded twat?

Just piss off and leave the discussion to those who have an IQ over 140