The surge was a myth.

[Zebo]

This myth needs to die.

Why do these neo-cons media and other war supporters who should have never been allowed in office again keep saying surge worked? It didnt.

The surge was the equivalent of a serial killer on anesthesia saying he's normal now just sleeping.

Lets review
We ethnically cleansed areas and put massive concrete barricades between the secs. Then paid off the most recalcitrant members the so-called "awakening" members billions to stop killing us.

That does not a stable country make. Temporary stop gap at best until we could GTFO. Because as soon as money stopped the serial killer woke up.

 

[justoh]

How do you review or criticize that which doesn't exist?

 

[Zebo]

They do exist. All these talking heads in media and politicians saying surge worked and now Obama is to blame for not maintaining the so called surge which is basically ethic cleansing and paying people not to kill us. The whole presentation was deceit acting like this was a stable and sustainable situation and that it achieved its goal of resolving the Sunni-Shiite divisions. Never did.

Read Cheney diatribe for example.

 

[justoh]

They do exist. All these talking heads in media and politicians saying surge worked and now Obama is to blame for not maintaining the so called surge which is basically ethic cleansing and paying people not to kill us. The whole presentation was deceit acting like this was a stable and sustainable situation.

The title suggests that you were under the impression that there was no surge. Ethic cleansing? In the sense that it undermined the US position as global moral policeman and exporter of democracy?

 

[Jaskalas]

The surge was... 2007? And you think because things fell apart after we left, that it was a failure? Trying to occupy and rebuild countries is a failure, but the surge was effective while it lasted. Its only problem is that we shouldn't and couldn't park our forces over there forever.

The proper use of the military should end after a country is invaded and destroyed. Other nations should police themselves. We don't control them, but we can punish them if we have cause to invade.

 

[JEDIYoda]

you can`t walk into a country and undo 1,000 -- 1,500 years of whatever......in a couple years.....duh

 

[Strk]

It's like Bush Sr. was right when he said going all the way to Baghdad was a bad idea.....

But yeah, I can't figure out why they keep putting the same nitwits who beat the war drums and got us into this mess in the first place on tv (Cheney, Kristol etc)

 

[Jaskalas]

It's like Bush Sr. was right when he said going all the way to Baghdad was a bad idea.....

Many of us thought that was a mistake in the lead up to 2003. That Iraq II wouldn't have happened if Iraq I had simply been completed. Now that we bought that cow... it doesn't look so tasty.

Bush Sr. was wrong, until he was right.

 

[Strk]

Many of us thought that was a mistake in the lead up to 2003. That Iraq II wouldn't have happened if Iraq I had simply been completed. Now that we bought that cow... it doesn't look so tasty.

Bush Sr. was wrong, until he was right.

It didn't help that rebellion was "encouraged" after the Gulf War and, instead of supporting it surreptitiously or openly, we just left.

 

[zephyrprime]

It didn't help that rebellion was "encouraged" after the Gulf War and, instead of supporting it surreptitiously or openly, we just left.

It doesn't matter. The rebellion was also divided along sectarian lines so even if they had succeeded in ousting Saddam, a sectarian civil war would have occurred immediately afterwards just like we have now. The only difference would have been we could have saved $1trillion dollars by having the Iraqis do it themselves instead of getting involved.

 

[chucky2]

I just finished reading SecDef Gates book Duty and he has a different opinion of the Iraq surge than you. Or are you saying he's not painting the entire picture?