The Supreme Court takes up a case that again tests the limits of gun rights

[APU_Fusion]

Lol what part of 2A covers ammo?

What do you mean? Can’t have guns without ammo ergo you can’t tax ammo because you are allowed to have a gun ….. look over there .. a woke minority and woman are demanding equal rights. Gets out gun

 

[fskimospy]

Lol, expanding the SC dilutes conservative control of the judicial system. You'd see actual fistfights in Congress before that happened. Like half of conservative identity right now is tied up in guns, any gun control would be a vindication of liberal values, they'd lose support just by virtue of that alone.

so to be clear you think right wing members of Congress will attempt to physically kill or incapacitate Democrats if they try and expand the court? I’ll just say that’s highly unlikely.

We are definitely moving in the direction of the elected branches taking power back from SCOTUS. Just a matter of when and how much.

 

[fskimospy]

Lol what part of 2A covers ammo?

You know I’m right here.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

so to be clear you think right wing members of Congress will attempt to physically kill or incapacitate Democrats if they try and expand the court? I’ll just say that’s highly unlikely.

No, just that Republicans will resort to violence before ceding power.

 

[fskimospy]

No, just that Republicans will resort to violence before ceding power.

Well that’s a different question then as this means you believe democracy has ended in the US.

With that in mind, basically your response should be tactical and strategic, finding the best way to take the violence to them first.

 

[Moonbeam]

The Onion has this argument addressed for you:

You Take Away Guns, And Someone’s Just Gonna Invent, Manufacture, And Use A High-Powered Knife Launcher

Like everybody else, I was sickened by last week’s shooting in Oregon that killed nine people and wounded several more. At a time like this, it’s easy to blame guns for what happened and call for drastic measures in hopes of preventing this kind of violence from occurring again. But the reality...

www.theonion.com

When I was in the fourth grade my world had been so shattered by the effects of war on my life, the result of life in a military family, at school in art class I drew engineering plans for the utter devastation of all my imaginary enemies. One of my ideas in particular, existed nowhere else at the time in any form of reality would decades later become part of the US strategic defense. My point is that I saw in myself a real talent for killing millions of people. I mention this only because were it my intention to commit some act of mass destruction, I would not pick guns as an effective methodology.

I figured out early also that the greatest enemy I would ever face was insanity within myself and that it would be the worst idea in the world to go down that road. All I ever wanted was a world without the lust for revenge. What fool sells the joy of being for safety? Look around and in the mirror.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Well that’s a different question then as this means you believe democracy has ended in the US.

With that in mind, basically your response should be tactical and strategic, finding the best way to take the violence to them first.

Or, hear me out, we attempt to make things better for the next generation rather than murdering each other. K-12, mandatory mental health classes in each grade. Teach people to understand themselves, their emotions, what they think and feel, and how to deal with it.

 

[Moonbeam]

The statistics very clearly show that greater availability of guns leads to more gun violence, not less.

We have literally tested this exact hypothesis! It leads to conclusions gun people don’t like though so they make up fairy tales about the true causes of gun violence.

The true cause of gun violence is that violence is the result of mental illness and mentally ill people when they decide to act out that violence do so with whatever is handy and because guns are available in the US guns are used to commit violent acts. No guns and something else will be used, perhaps with less devastation until violence becomes effective and popular as a technique at some future time by some new creative means. Mass killers are seeking to be remembered for punishing us all because we ignored their suffering. Banning guns is more ignoring their suffering. Our culture need mass availability of sound effective mental health. That is what psychological ignorance of the universality of self hate ignores because nobody will face the truth about themselves and what they really feel. I am responsible for this ignorance. I lack the knowledge to fix it because, ultimately, I won't remember how I became sick so I can't fix myself. You lost a friend to gun suicide, as I remember. Are you guilty of anything?

 

[fskimospy]

Or, hear me out, we attempt to make things better for the next generation rather than murdering each other. K-12, mandatory mental health classes in each grade. Teach people to understand themselves, their emotions, what they think and feel, and how to deal with it.

How would you do that without getting power from the republicans, something you’re saying will be met with violence?

I just think if your position is that if Democrats win elections they will be met with violence in response then the policy debate is basically over because it’s a heads they win tails you lose situation.

 

[Moonbeam]

Funny, I get similar responses when I say we should be focusing on an actual nation-wide mental health revolution. 'That's too hard so we should change the constitution instead' is a hot take 'round here.

Thanks. I was going to get to this.

 

[fskimospy]

The true cause of gun violence is that violence is the result of mental illness and mentally ill people when they decide to act out that violence do so with whatever is handy and because guns are available in the US guns are used to commit violent acts. No guns and something else will be used, perhaps with less devastation until violence becomes effective and popular as a technique at some future time by some new creative means. Mass killers are seeking to be remembered for punishing us all because we ignored their suffering. Banning guns is more ignoring their suffering. Our culture need mass availability of sound effective mental health. That is what psychological ignorance of the universality of self hate ignores because nobody will face the truth about themselves and what they really feel. I am responsible for this ignorance. I lack the knowledge to fix it because, ultimately, I won't remember how I became sick so I can't fix myself. You lost a friend to gun suicide, as I remember. Are you guilty of anything?

Sorry but demonstrated reality around the world disagrees with you, as shown by voluminous evidence.

Until you’re capable of accepting reality there’s nothing I can do to help you. You’re not in an emotional place where you’re able to accept that you’re wrong here. I hope you get better someday.

 

[Moonbeam]

We have not, haha.

We cant cure a single one of the mental illnesses we have already identified and so the plan is to classify a whole ton more people as mentally ill and then ‘deal with the problem?’

Ok, good luck with that.

Your above raises a good point though, while we haven’t even identified the ‘problem’ with mental illness we have identified it with guns so now we are already one step ahead and on the ‘deal with the problem’ step.

The best step wouldn’t be to ban AR-15s or whatever, it would be to ban handguns. Regardless, since we already know the solution let’s focus on the problem we know how to solve.

Let's focus on the problems you know how to solve, not do the work of facing the fact that the problems you don't know how to solve are just the very problems that would require you to realize you don't want to solve. You are not simply ignorant, you are profoundly motivated to be that way.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Guns will not go away in our lifetime in the US. In modern day America, further restrictions on guns only harm law abiding citizens.

Are you sure about that? Did it ever acure to you that such restrictions are preventing law abiding citizens from making spare of the moment, unrash decisions that turns them into law breaking citizens?

 

[pmv]

so to be clear you think right wing members of Congress will attempt to physically kill or incapacitate Democrats if they try and expand the court? I’ll just say that’s highly unlikely.

Charles Sumner might want a word...

[Edit] not making a serious argument here. But that was the first thing the comment bought to mind.

 

[fskimospy]

Let's focus on the problems you know how to solve, not do the work of facing the fact that the problems you don't know how to solve are just the very problems that would require you to realize you don't want to solve. You are not simply ignorant, you are profoundly motivated to be that way.

You really should read the thread before paying more of this nonsense.

Like I said you’re not emotionally ready to admit I’m right so you’re getting upset. I feel sorry for you and hope you get better soon.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

How would you do that without getting power from the republicans, something you’re saying will be met with violence?

Conservatives have been beating the drum of mental health as a response to gun violence for years, like I said. Lean into it. Call it the Make Children Great Again bill or some stupid shit. Tell taxpayers it'll save them money and they'll spend less time learning about how shit our country is.

 

[fskimospy]

Conservatives have been beating the drum of mental health as a response to gun violence for years, like I said. Lean into it. Call it the Make Children Great Again bill or some stupid shit. Tell taxpayers it'll save them money and they'll spend less time learning about how shit our country is.

The problem is they are lying when they talk about mental health. Their goal is to say whatever is necessary to prevent gun regulation and when you try and get the large scale funding necessary for that you’re going to get a huge fuck you.

 

[Moonbeam]

Sorry but demonstrated reality around the world disagrees with you, as shown by voluminous evidence.

Until you’re capable of accepting reality there’s nothing I can do to help you. You’re not in an emotional place where you’re able to accept that you’re wrong here. I hope you get better someday.

I agreed with your evidence. The lack of gun availability in other countries means fewer gun deaths there. If guns are outlawed in the US by constitutional amendment we will see fewer deaths by guns as the culture flushed the guns. meanwhile all the human misery in the world created by the universal presence of self hate will go unrecognized and untreated and our slow march to self destruction as a result of our hidden psychological death wishes will go untreated as well as our path to extinction unblocked so you don't have to face the pain of self discovery. Have fun distracting yourself with guns. Right now your are even more right about guns than you know. They are right now killing you.

 

[APU_Fusion]

You really should read the thread before paying more of this nonsense.

Like I said you’re not emotionally ready to admit I’m right so you’re getting upset. I feel sorry for you and hope you get better soon.

We both know he won’t. 🤣

 

[fskimospy]

I agreed with your evidence. The lack of gun availability in other countries means fewer gun deaths there. If guns are outlawed in the US by constitutional amendment we will see fewer deaths by guns as the culture flushed the guns. meanwhile all the human misery in the world created by the universal presence of self hate will go unrecognized and untreated and our slow march to self destruction as a result of our hidden psychological death wishes will go untreated as well as our path to extinction unblocked so you don't have to face the pain of self discovery. Have fun distracting yourself with guns. Right now your are even more right about guns than you know. They are right now killing you.

‘We need tens of thousands of dead people each year to keep our focus on mental health’ is a monstrous position to hold.

Seriously, seek mental help. You're not well.

 

[fskimospy]

We both know he won’t. 🤣

Haha correct, he will not. He will say here like he does everywhere else that the reason why people point out he’s wrong isn’t because he’s wrong, but because we hate ourselves.

 

[Jaskalas]

lol good luck with that. Sadly I doubt this gun fetish gets solved within 2 generations

Steps towards that are achievable today.
Such as voting Democrat.

 

[NWRMidnight]

It is funny how people don't seem to realize that 'criminals will ignore gun laws' applies to all laws.

'Criminals will ignore laws against murder, therefore we should not have laws against murder'.

They think like this, because they don't understand the purpose of most laws. They don't understand that most laws are put in place, not to stop the true ciminal, but to help prevent good, honest people from crossing that line, and becoming criminals (they are deterents) They are not in place to stop the true criminal from committing crimes, because they know that is not possible. Laws gives society a way to punish the true criminals and put them in jail, and hopefully keep them there. These are the same people who have car alarms, house alarms, who believe those are to stop their car and/or house, from being stolen or broken into, when infact they do no such thing. The only purpose of a car/house alarm, it to help keep honest people honest. The true thief, doesn't care about that alarm, just as the true criminal doens't care about laws.

 

[MrSquished]

so to be clear you think right wing members of Congress will attempt to physically kill or incapacitate Democrats if they try and expand the court? I’ll just say that’s highly unlikely.

We are definitely moving in the direction of the elected branches taking power back from SCOTUS. Just a matter of when and how much.

I'll have what this guy is smoking please.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

The problem is they are lying when they talk about mental health. Their goal is to say whatever is necessary to prevent gun regulation and when you try and get the large scale funding necessary for that you’re going to get a huge fuck you.

Then flambé them, and isolate them even further from their voting base. Make it the sole messaging for entire election cycles. 'We wanted to do it the R way, no strings attached, and they voted no. Republicans want dead children'.