The Supreme Court strikes again; EPA has been restricted

[Pens1566]

Yes, I suspect an avalanche of new lawsuits challenging every major regulation under the sun are being prepared right now.

Essentially this sets up SCOTUS as a sort of super legislature where it can pick and choose the policies it likes and permit only those to go into effect.

Yeah, FDA is fucked.

 

[HomerJS]

I love reading liberal's over reactions.

Until Uncle Clarence takes away people's contraception. Think that is an overreaction? He already said he's coming for it.

 

[HomerJS]

Yes, I suspect an avalanche of new lawsuits challenging every major regulation under the sun are being prepared right now.

Essentially this sets up SCOTUS as a sort of super legislature where it can pick and choose the policies it likes and permit only those to go into effect.

Absolutely. I read it only takes 4 justice votes to take a case so now they can pick cases where they know are 5 votes.

They do become a de facto 2nd legislative branch

 

[FelixDeCat]

Don't worry. Everything is going to be fine. You'll see.

 

[gothuevos]

I love reading liberal's over reactions.

You could try to, you know, at least explain your rationale for supporting this decision instead of just "owning the libs, good enough for me."

 

[herm0016]

You could try to, you know, at least explain your rationale for supporting this decision instead of just "owning the libs, good enough for me."

and every time anyone here does that, they get the same reactions you saw for this comment. so what's the point?

 

[Muse]

If you aren’t in favor of expanding the courts to override these extremist judges then you are part of the problem.

Indeed. "If you are not part of the solution you are part of the pollution." SCOTUS is part of the problem now, a huge part. We have to get a handle on them or go down the drain of infamy.

 

[Muse]

Perhaps congress has to get to work and mandate a new updated version of the EPA that has the powers it needs? Possible?

 

[Pens1566]

Perhaps congress has to get to work and mandate a new updated version of the EPA that has the powers it needs? Possible?

They can try, but it'll never go anywhere with the current whip count in senate (Manchin will NEVER go along). Unless you nuke the filibuster ... but again, don't have the votes for that.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Perhaps congress has to get to work and mandate a new updated version of the EPA that has the powers it needs? Possible?

To undo the damage done over the last two weeks, it'll require a dem sweep of the midterms so severe that they end up with a firm 2/3rds majority.

 

[Muse]

Every supreme court ruling just makes me think this more and more about our shithole America

I didn't go that far, but on my show 2 days ago on KALX, Berkeley, I recited the names of the 3 liberal SCOTUS justices, stated that I refused to name the conservatives by name because they didn't deserve it, and specifically dedicated this song to those unnamed conservative so-called justices and then played the song:

 

[Muse]

They can try, but it'll never go anywhere with the current whip count in senate (Manchin will NEVER go along). Unless you nuke the filibuster ... but again, don't have the votes for that.

Then maybe the only hope is to unseat enough Republicans and replace them with Democrats... ASAP.

 

[Pens1566]

Then maybe the only hope is to unseat enough Republicans and replace them with Democrats... ASAP.

You need to gain at least two senate seats (tough), and hold the house (tougher).

On the first, I think it's entirely possible. You're going to get Fetterman in PA. That's almost a guarantee at this point. I think polls are trending in the right direction for all the democratic incumbents to hold one. You just need one more R seat to flip.

 

[brycejones]

You could try to, you know, at least explain your rationale for supporting this decision instead of just "owning the libs, good enough for me."

and every time anyone here does that, they get the same reactions you saw for this comment. so what's the point?

Felix gets the reaction it does because it has a long history of being a dishonest poster who never posts evidence. There is no need to put Felix on the cross.

 

[cytg111]

Its like the second you get rid of one Clean Coal Idiot 6 more Whack-A-Mole pops up.
Is it even a game that can be won?

 

[ch33zw1z]

and every time anyone here does that, they get the same reactions you saw for this comment. so what's the point?

Felix’s motivations are well known

 

[nakedfrog]

You could try to, you know, at least explain your rationale for supporting this decision instead of just "owning the libs, good enough for me."

I believe that's been his rationale for the past 22 years.

 

[gothuevos]

and every time anyone here does that, they get the same reactions you saw for this comment. so what's the point?

So another non-answer.

Thanks.

 

[FelixDeCat]

So another non-answer.

Thanks.

You have to think about this rationally. Why are companies in business? To make money!

Do you want your business to make money short term or long term? Long term!

So over the long term if you are polluting the environment (beyond what similar companies do), don't you think that will be reported?

People will react negatively to this news and might decide not to do business with you. Would you want that for your long term business plan?

All this is not to say that I am opposed to national standards vs state regulations. I never have spoken against the EPA. Yet some assume all that.

All humans want a clean environment so any company or person can still be held to account for excessive polluting.

This is why I am not worried.

 

[herm0016]

at least to me, telling federal agencies that they don't have unlimited powers is also a good thing. where the line is, is for congress to figure out, not the agency to push the line further and further.

 

[FelixDeCat]

at least to me, telling federal agencies that they don't have unlimited powers is also a good thing. where the line is, is for congress to figure out, not the agency to push the line further and further.

True. But I think we should strive to limit greenhouse gas emissions as it leads to solar heat being trapped longer than would otherwise naturally occur. Creating a barrier in the atmosphere that slows the Earth's natural cooling process and thereby accelerating global heating has too many negative consequences which I think is evidenced everywhere.

The trick is how to implement change gradually and have it done on a global basis while still being able to provide the energy we all need - on a profitable basis. You cant run a power plant with no profit!

We have made many strides but still have a long way to go.

 

[IronWing]

at least to me, telling federal agencies that they don't have unlimited powers is also a good thing. where the line is, is for congress to figure out, not the agency to push the line further and further.

Congress spelled out the line in black letter law. The court majority lied to get the result Mitch wanted for his donors.

 

[cytg111]

Wait were you two not climate deniers some time ago?
(yes, climate deniers, i said it, you know what I mean)

 

[IronWing]

True. But I think we should strive to limit greenhouse gas emissions as it leads to solar heat being trapped longer than would otherwise naturally occur. Creating a barrier in the atmosphere that slows the Earth's natural cooling process and thereby accelerating global heating has too many negative consequences which I think is evidenced everywhere.

The trick is how to implement change gradually and have it done on a global basis while still being able to provide the energy we all need - on a profitable basis. You cant run a power plant with no profit!

We have made many strides but still have a long way to go.

Industry got regulated for a reason. Your happy head free market bullshit failed to restrain polluters and now here you are ignoring history and offering a rerun of the same crap that spurred Congress to pass the Clean Air Act .

 

[ch33zw1z]

True. But I think we should strive to limit greenhouse gas emissions as it leads to solar heat being trapped longer than would otherwise naturally occur. Creating a barrier in the atmosphere that slows the Earth's natural cooling process and thereby accelerating global heating has too many negative consequences which I think is evidenced everywhere.

The trick is how to implement change gradually and have it done on a global basis while still being able to provide the energy we all need - on a profitable basis. You cant run a power plant with no profit!

We have made many strides but still have a long way to go.

You can absolutely run a power plant with no profit. Non profits are a thing already, and they survive just fine.

You ask others to think about this rationally, and then struggle to do so yourself.