The story that won't stay dead

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Uh oh, here we go again. ;)

AP Sues for Access to Bush Guard Records

WASHINGTON - The Associated Press sued the Pentagon and the Air Force on Tuesday, seeking access to all records of George W. Bush's military service during the Vietnam War.

Filed in federal court in New York, where The AP is headquartered, the lawsuit seeks access to a copy of Bush's microfilmed personnel file from the Texas State Library and Archives Commission in Austin.

The White House says the government has already released all the records of Bush's military service.

Controversy surrounds Bush's time in the Texas Air National Guard because it is unclear from the record what duties he performed for the military when he was working on the political campaign of a U.S. Senate candidate in Alabama.

There are questions as to whether the file provided to the news media earlier this year is complete, says the lawsuit, adding that these questions could possibly be answered by reviewing a copy of the microfilm of Bush's personnel file in the Texas archives.

The Air National Guard of the United States, a federal entity, has control of the microfilm, which should be disclosed in its entirety under the Freedom of Information Act, the lawsuit says.

The White House has yet to respond to a request by the AP in April asking the president to sign a written waiver of his right to keep records of his military service confidential. Bush gave an oral waiver in a TV appearance that preceded the White House's release this year of materials concerning his National Guard service.

The government "did not expedite their response ... they did not produce the file within the time required by law, and they will not now estimate when the file might be produced or even confirm that an effort has been initiated to retrieve a copy from the microfilm at the Texas archives," the lawsuit says.

In the absence of any privacy objection by the president and in light of the importance of the file's release in advance of the November election, says the lawsuit, AP seeks a court order to compel the release of records "that are being unlawfully withheld from the public."

The released records were from the Texas Air National Guard at Camp Mabry and the Defense Financing Accounting Service in Denver.

Under Texas law, a copy of military personnel files of those serving in the Texas Air National Guard must be retained on microfilm at the Texas archives.

The lawsuit says that no one has looked at any of the Texas Air National Guard records maintained at the state archives since 1996.

Responding to AP's request, the Texas Air National Guard concluded that Bush's file was a federal record under control of the U.S. Air National Guard.

When the government did not produce the documents, AP appealed to the Pentagon, saying that by law, the microfilm copy should have been produced within 20 days. The Pentagon said it could not respond within the legally required period.
 

conjur

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ooof...let it die...it was 30+ years ago.

Why does the press keep this wound open?
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: conjur
ooof...let it die...it was 30+ years ago.

Why does the press keep this wound open?

Because it hasn't been adequately addressed, that's why. Lawyer up boys. :)

Controversy surrounds Bush's time in the Texas Air National Guard because it is unclear from the record what duties he performed for the military when he was working on the political campaign of a U.S. Senate candidate in Alabama.

There are questions as to whether the file provided to the news media earlier this year is complete, says the lawsuit, adding that these questions could possibly be answered by reviewing a copy of the microfilm of Bush's personnel file in the Texas archives.
 

heartsurgeon

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Because it hasn't been adequately addressed, that's why. Lawyer up boys
Explain to me again why Kerry won't release his medical records that detail the injuries for which he sought and received purple hearts, and a expeditious transfer out of combat......

hypocrite.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Because it hasn't been adequately addressed, that's why. Lawyer up boys
Explain to me again why Kerry won't release his medical records that detail the injuries for which he sought and received purple hearts, and a expeditious transfer out of combat......

hypocrite.

I thought this was a thread about Bush, no? You can take your misinformation and half-truths and go start your own thread.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Because it hasn't been adequately addressed, that's why. Lawyer up boys
Explain to me again why Kerry won't release his medical records that detail the injuries for which he sought and received purple hearts, and a expeditious transfer out of combat......

hypocrite.

Uh...he has.

They're on his website.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Because it hasn't been adequately addressed, that's why. Lawyer up boys
Explain to me again why Kerry won't release his medical records that detail the injuries for which he sought and received purple hearts, and a expeditious transfer out of combat......

hypocrite.

Uh...he has.

They're on his website.

But.. but... but.... There aren't pictures and videotapes of the wounds being inflicted!
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Because it hasn't been adequately addressed, that's why. Lawyer up boys
Explain to me again why Kerry won't release his medical records that detail the injuries for which he sought and received purple hearts, and a expeditious transfer out of combat......

hypocrite.
Wow, HS, you've been unmasked as full of it quite often lately. Care to own up? Even once?
 

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
Because it hasn't been adequately addressed, that's why. Lawyer up boys
Explain to me again why Kerry won't release his medical records that detail the injuries for which he sought and received purple hearts, and a expeditious transfer out of combat......

hypocrite.

One expects better from you, plumber. I suppose it must get tiring running interference for this incompetent fool. Perhaps your heart is no longer in it?

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etech

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Yup, right there on the site.

I posted that link a couple of times before. heartsurgeon should work on doing a brain transplant on himself. Maybe that will cure his memory problems.

I'm probably just missing it. Can you point to the record of his first Purple Heart that shows the required treatment by a medical officer?

Thanks.
 

M0NEYSH0T

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Communists stirring trouble...

Clinton did the same thing. Oh how soon we forget.

Note, there's a difference between a liberl/democrat and a communists.
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: M0NEYSH0TCommunists stirring trouble...

Clinton did the same thing. Oh how soon we forget.
What same thing did Clinton do?
 

M0NEYSH0T

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: M0NEYSH0TCommunists stirring trouble...

Clinton did the same thing. Oh how soon we forget.
What same thing did Clinton do?

I just mean that every president seals something so controversial that people go nuts about the information the data must contain.
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: M0NEYSH0T
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: M0NEYSH0TCommunists stirring trouble...

Clinton did the same thing. Oh how soon we forget.
What same thing did Clinton do?

I just mean that every president seals something so controversial that people go nuts about the information the data must contain.
what did Clinton seal?
 

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heartsurgeon

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once again, the moronic chant of the liberal fools...

there are no medical records listed.

a casuality report is not a medical report.

the medical records, the examination performed by a physician, bearing is signature, and deascribing the injuries received, and treatment administered are not present.

the casuality reports,are not the actual medical reports..and even the casuality report is missing for his first purple heart.

silly liberals...
 

M0NEYSH0T

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: M0NEYSH0T
You're going to make me seach for of Clinton's sealed records?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&edition=us&ie=ascii&q=%22president+clinton%22+records+sealed&btnmeta%3Dsearch%3Dsearch=Search+the+Web

Search for yourself. EVERY president's records are SEALED.
Not applicable. What personal records did Clinton withhold from us while President?

I see your point, but I think you're missing mine.
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: heartsurgeon
once again, the moronic chant of the liberal fools...

there are no medical records listed.

a casuality report is not a medical report.

the medical records, the examination performed by a physician, bearing is signature, and deascribing the injuries received, and treatment administered are not present.

the casuality reports,are not the actual medical reports..and even the casuality report is missing for his first purple heart.

silly liberals...

You give conservatives a bad name.
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: M0NEYSH0T
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: M0NEYSH0T
You're going to make me seach for of Clinton's sealed records?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&edition=us&ie=ascii&q=%22president+clinton%22+records+sealed&btnmeta%3Dsearch%3Dsearch=Search+the+Web

Search for yourself. EVERY president's records are SEALED.
Not applicable. What personal records did Clinton withhold from us while President?

I see your point, but I think you're missing mine.
OK. This thread is about the AP suing to have access to Bush's military records, because they believe Bush hasn't fully come clean.

You came in here and said. "Communists stirring trouble... Clinton did the same thing."

He didn't, and you now say you "I see your point, but I think you're missing mine."

Well, what point is that, exactly? Remember, we're talking about personal records a President is whithholding while President.
 

heartsurgeon

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actually, both Kerry and Clinton have withheld disclosure of their complete medical records...

i'm still waiting for one of the foulmouthed idiots who claimed i was wrong, to provide a link to Kerry's medical records...