The state indoctrination camps (public schools)

[Smoblikat]

Uh, I was brought up under that same retarded policy. When my parents first heard about it, they took me aside after school one day and told me that if I was attacked I should fight back; that I might be in trouble with the school but I wouldn't be in trouble with them.

And that was that. Nowadays I have a concealed carry permit, so I'd say my sense of moral and physical self reliance is very well intact. If the public school system was attempting to brainwash me they did a pretty shitty job of it.



In any case, the reason for such policy is, at least how it's been explained to me, that kids would get into fights and then both would claim self defense when caught. Rather than set up what amounted to an elementary school trial for assault, it became standard practice to just punish both kids; so as to ensure the attacker was punished.

In short: the "nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure" approach.

I was brought up the same way, I was told that if im attacked I should defend myself. If I was defending myself, even if the school punished me, I would face no consequences at home. BUT, if I was the aggressor, I would face punishment both in school and at home. Now that im older I own guns and know how to handle myself in a fist-fight if I have to, I do not rely on any "authoritarian" figures to defend me.

 

[waggy]

i think that rule is fucking idiotic. but i understand why they do it.

I have told both my kids NOT to start fights in school and that when someone strikes them walk away. if that does not work beat the shit out of them.

they will NOT get in trouble with me even though they may get in trouble in school.

 

[Agent11]

I was told to defend myself as well, this rule is retarded.

 

[Exterous]

This isn't really new. I got into a fight in 1996 when a kid hit me and I had multiple witnesses to say who started it. We both got the same punishment because I should have run away and shouldn't have fought back

The schools don't want to make the effort to figure out who did what, so instead they just want to punish both kids. That's a stupid approach, obviously ***ing from the same idiots who push "zero tolerance" and other brain dead policies in schools.

Its not that they don't want to they are scared to. There is much less liability in a zero tolerance policy than making individual determinations for every instance.

If parents don't like zero tolerance they blame the parents who vote for school board leaders and the parents who sue schools for the slightest provocation (often because they believe their special little snowflake can do no wrong)

B) You are assuming that your friend's kid is telling the entire story, ie: you are a fool. The other kid probably told a similar story to his dad. Or maybe your friend's kid is a bully and/or was an asshole to the other kid. Maybe he stole something from the other kid. You don't know.

:thumbsup:

 

[schmuckley]

*snip..that wasn't good
^ Guy above me has quotes from a commie and a guy from my neighborhood that died of AIDS from porn.

 

[Retro Rob]

You sir..are a pussy.
Obviously you're younger than me..and indoctrinated.

My strategy would have been to find when said bully will be alone and beat the crap out of him with a stick if I had to.
Kudos for giving credit to the OP.

I'm a "pussy" but you're the one who needs a "stick".

At any rate, conflict avoidance is the best way to curb needless violence, idiot... and there isn't anything soft about using your head.

 

[Guurn]

I had to have a meeting with the principal of my sons school about this very issue. He wasn't in trouble but one of his friends had been on a fight, they thought that they should call all of that kids friends in with their parents for a meeting. When I heard about this policy I turned to my kid and told him directly to hit the kid back twice as hard as he hit you. The principal was offended by my remark. I simply told him that if the punishments were the same I couldn't justify telling him to accept a beating. The was no reply to that.

 

[schmuckley]

I'm a "pussy" but you're the one who needs a "stick".

At any rate, conflict avoidance is the best way to curb needless violence, idiot... and there isn't anything soft about using your head.

At least I'm not a pussy :whiste: :awe:

LOL..I can understand where you're coming from
I bet you regret not standing up to that guy, though.

 

[Jaskalas]

In any case, the reason for such policy is, at least how it's been explained to me, that kids would get into fights and then both would claim self defense when caught. Rather than set up what amounted to an elementary school trial for assault, it became standard practice to just punish both kids; so as to ensure the attacker was punished.

In short: the "nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure" approach.

The age of cell phones everywhere should eliminate the need to take their word for it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Start punching the Principal and tell him you will stop when he's dead.

The only way to stop violence in children is to find alternate ways then violence toward others to express ones own self hate. It won't happen any time soon because nobody wants to know the source of the problem is themselves, that we are all infected with this disease and all in massive mutual denial.

 

[Doppel]

Start punching the Principal and tell him you will stop when he's dead.

The only way to stop violence in children is to find alternate ways then violence toward others to express ones own self hate. It won't happen any time soon because nobody wants to know the source of the problem is themselves, that we are all infected with this disease and all in massive mutual denial.

Is there a cure to this affliction?

 

[Moonbeam]

Is there a cure to this affliction?

Sure, feel what you feel or transcend it via faith. Worship to the point of loving the ideal. Love what is the highest of the high. Or go into therapy and relive your past till you see you bought into lies.

 

[IEC]

I think he was admitting that evolution is true and that we came from monkeys, and are thus animals.

Strictly speaking, you are also wrong. We did not descend from monkeys, but the most likely phylogeny suggests that we descended from a shared common ancestor of the great apes.