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Bushwicktrini

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I printed all of this and gave it my wife who is taking a Mass Media class and she gave it to her professer. He didn't even hear about this act till she gave it to him. Man we really need to get the word out. I'm going to make copies and go over to NYU and pass this out.
 

smp

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<I><B>the mere fact that even one child goes to bed hungry in america is a crime so immense that every political figure in america should be tried for treason. we ahve not created a more perfect union- the gulf widens every day between rich/poor. there is and can be no moral justiifcation for poverty.</B></I>

Right on brother/sister .. it's so true, but yeah, people don't think it. We've gotten used to the idea that "it's not my kids".
"You've got your's and I've got mine"
 

LH

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I dont see how a $10-20billion industry will get this passed with a what, several hundred billion industry on the other side fighting it. Although the DMCA passed, not many in the tech industry stood up against.

The DMCA really needs repealed, they can do it, hopefully some group in the House and Senate come up with a bill to repeal the DMCA.
 

flexy

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<<

To wit: If (big IF) SSSCA becomes law, all of our computers essentially become illegal to connect to the internet. [...]
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This thread/law is...BIZARRE...sorry missed that a while ago...

How can it be "illegal" to connect to "the internet" ? :) )))

The internet (STILL) is not OWNED by AOL, Bill, Turner whatever. (There might be efforts....)

However the internet is the lose definition (that's how i see it) based on a protocol how computers are connected. I can have a small "internet" for myself...say assembling a network bases on TCP/IP and having all my friends on the "net"....rest of the world excluded.

"THE INTERNET" is the SAME thing...only that some of these computers are connected to OTHER computers...which again are....you get the idea !!!

It would be very BIZARRE if it would become illegal to connect MY COMPUTER privately via TCP/IP to whatever else computer of a friend privately..or some friends.....and OF COURSE i as a person behind MY COMPUTER can not know if some computer on this net has an connection to the "OUTSIDE"....thus making my act of connecting to a friend ILLEGAL ? (Because i get access the to outside world thru the one open machine..which can not be MY responsibility...therefore being on the "Internet" and therefore commiting a crime because my computer MIGHT not be secure enough or something ?)

Since "the internet" per defintion is a very "fuzzy" term..basically describing "nothing"...or only "that computers are connected"....such a law would imply much, much more. As first probably a change in the internet protocol...and ownership of that "protocol"....not the "internet", sicne noone can own the right or possibility to connect to another computer :)

However i'd pay close attention what monopolists (eg: Microsoft ?) "plan" in the future with new versions of Windows..or ways to connect...because if 99% of all people like blind sheep follow a doctrin/method (cause its from Microsoft, and Windows is de facto Standard) it's the same as "ownership of the internet".....

However, despites all that...i see the law..and the implications coming with it not really doable (rather bizarre)......rather much likely things happen like a split of the internet in "secure" and "not secure" sections....and still much, much, much too many holes open and possibilities to bypass "laws" (3rd world countries just to mention one)....how should that ever be practicable ????? Wasted money and wasted energy (by the people who came up with it) for a moronic law.... IMHO







 

Lindows

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You guyz move to Canada or China or a commie countrie but please, please dont move to Argentina.
 

davy19

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The Congress is voting this coming Monday April 15, better get to your senators quick, I dont think mine will help since I live in NY, and got Hillary Clinton as mine, she donest have a clue.
 

shadowfaX

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<< The Congress is voting this coming Monday April 15, better get to your senators quick, I dont think mine will help since I live in NY, and got Hillary Clinton as mine, she donest have a clue. >>



hehe... i suppose that wouldn't necessarily be a good thing.

if these airheads have the gall to pass this bill, i'll go out and build my own rigs on purpose and sell them on the black market to them. :) they wouldn't know the difference (if they pass this bill, how could they...)

on a more serious note...

sigh. i'm sad i didn't know about this sooner... i'd send (a) letter(s) definitely.
 

NOX

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Found this letter that was sent to Sen. Hollings.

"USACM Letter to Sen. Hollings on SSSCA
Assn. for Computing Machinery Takes Issue with New Copyright Bill (Sep. 26, 2001)
September 26, 2001

The Honorable Ernest F. Hollings
Chairman
Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation
SR-254 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510

Dear Chairman Hollings:

We recently learned that you intend to introduce legislation to require computer and electronics manufacturers to include digital watermark technology or other copyright-protection technologies in the production of certain products and multi-use devices. As the Co-Chairs of the U.S. Public Policy Committee of the Association for Computing Machinery (ACM), we are writing to express our deep concern regarding the potential legislative proposal known as the Security Systems Standards and Certification Act (SSSCA).

As Congress considers legislation with respect to the use of copyrighted works on the Internet and in other digital and electronic contexts, we urge you to recognize that there are many legitimate uses of technology that would be impaired by additional copyright-protection measures. Enacting additional copyright-protections beyond those already provided by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) is unwarranted. Already, we have seen an unintended chilling effect on computer security research by the DMCA. Any law along the lines of the SSSCA might well have more far-reaching and damaging effects, particularly as our nation attempts to enhance the security of our infrastructure and prevent acts of terrorism.

We would ask that you carefully consider the issues of cost, liability, and government interference in technology standards-setting that would be imposed by this legislation. We can think of many objections to the legislation, based on our reading of the draft bill.

Here is a small sampling:


Colleges, universities and trade schools throughout the U.S. would no longer be able to teach advanced computer science and computer engineering.
The acts of writing basic operating system software or assembling simple computer systems in classes or as assignments would be against the proposed law.
Research in computer security and protection would be further curtailed,as any such research would be required to be done on (and not interfere with) whatever technology is imposed by this law. However, malicious actors do not need to be so concerned. This has significant national security implications.
Researchers and hobbyists seeking new uses for innovative technology might well find their experimentation and prototypes to be criminal under this law.
Devices as disparate as electronic cameras, wrist watches, electric pianos, televisions, ATM machines, cell phones, home security systems, and medical equipment (among many examples) all process and display information electronically. Under the proposed legislation, all would be required to support anti-copying protocols. In most such cases, this is absurd and will raise costs unnecessarily. Inclusion of anti-copying technology in general purpose equipment -- including real-time computing devices used in traffic control, air flight control, medical equipment, and manufacturing -- adds to their complexity and potential for failure. Unexpected interactions with other code, and accidental activation of protection protocols cannot be ruled out in every case, and in many venues the potential for damage is extreme.
Photocopy machines, telephones and VCRs are now digital in form and can copy information. Forcing adoption of anti-copying protocols on those machines will change accepted modes of use, at best, and may render them unusable for their intended purposes.
Other countries will not have similar requirements in their laws and may actively fear the imposition of anti-copy technologies; this will put U.S. products at a competitive disadvantage with other products manufactured elsewhere in the world. At a time when electronics manufacturers in other countries are seeking an advantage over U.S. firms, this could be catastrophic for the U.S. electronics industry. In addition, the draft version of SSSCA would have significant negative impacts on foreign technology imports, such as the linux operating system, in direct violation of our obligations as a participating member of the World Trade Organization.
As a publisher of electronic media, ACM is acutely aware of the problems with copyright protection in the modern world. However, as technologists, we also believe that the solution is not to be found in constraints and prohibitions on the technology. Rather, there needs to be more efforts made in enforcement of current laws, in education of consumers, and in deriving new models for e-commerce. Historically, the entertainment and publishing industries have claimed potential ruin from new technologies. However, those new technologies (such as videotape) have actually served to increase the consumer demand and income for those industries once the technologies were embraced.

In our society, we have achieved technological excellence, research leadership, and educational preeminence in the world through the free exchange of information and the freedom to innovate. Copyright was intended to support those goals, not restrict them for entertainment companies. The explicit embodiment of "fair use" provisions in the law has contributed to our many successes. Any further legislative action -- such as the SSSCA -- which focuses on constraining or outlawing technology instead of penalizing behavior can only serve to weaken our educational systems, impede our technological dominance, and interfere with our electronic security.

Comprised of computing professionals from academia, industry, and government, the U.S. Public Policy Committee of the Association for Computing Machinery is pleased to offer our technical expertise to assist policy makers in the development of computing and information technology policy. We would appreciate the opportunity to testify before the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee on technology policy matters, including proposals to require manufactures to include copyright-protection technologies in products and multi-use devices. Please contact Jeff Grove, Director of the ACM Public Policy Office at (202) 659-9711, if you have any questions or if we can be of assistance to your efforts.

Sincerely,

Barbara Simons, Ph.D.
Eugene H. Spafford, Ph.D.

Co-Chairs
U.S. ACM Public Policy Committee (USACM)
Association for Computing Machinery"


Wow... major stuff. My personal feeling is that this bill will die.
 

Jaim

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Were you successful in your letter writing campaign regarding this issue? We are attempting to generate a letter writing campaign to Rep. Eliot L. Engel, 2302 RHOB, Washington, DC 20515, Fax: 202-225-5513 (Bronx, NY) and Rep. Vito Fossella, 1239 LHOB, Washington, DC 20515, Fax: 202-226-1272 (Staten Island, NY) in opposition to this proposed legislation and would like to know if you have any contacts in the State of New York who would be willing to write letters to these individuals? If so, if you would be so kind as to share those names with us? Thanks!
 

ProviaFan

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<< SSSCA sneaks in new bill... >>


Sorry, but that's nothing new...the SSSCA was renamed to the CBDTPA some time ago. Anyway, I'd just like to know where we can find the out the status of this bill as it moves through the various departments.
 

ShadowWolf

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Last I know, it was moved up to the Comitte of Science, Commerce, and Transportation...which means it passed through the first 2 comitees!!
 

FlyinFer

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new member.. this is worth joining the forum over..

I have read pretty much this entire thread, but I don't remember seeing anyone mention the part that galls me the most:

Who determined that every time technology advances (no credit for this to the MPAA or RIAA) the entertainment industry decides it is time to throw out due process and assume everyone is guilty of piracy? When cassettes came along, the recording industry was up in arms, of course everyone knows about Disney and the Betamax, now we have the MPAA and HDTV.

Fair use is fair use, if they want to defend their copyrights, play by the same rules as every other publisher (print or electronic) and find and prosecute law violators.

DO NOT impose royalties on blank digital media (presumed guilt and a license to copy in my book)
DO NOT take charge of technology you didn't even create to use exclusivley for your profitability
DO NOT force us back to the stone age and make me plan my world around broadcast times if I want to see your content.
 

JellyBaby

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When cassettes came along, the recording industry was up in arms, of course everyone knows about Disney and the Betamax, now we have the MPAA and HDTV.
And they (RIAA) still benefit from a cassette tape tax they managed to impose decades ago.

The industry wants content protection, we want fair use. Government exists to hear both sides and make a reasonable determination. That's how it works in theory but the fact the RIAA members contribute greatly to members of Congress and they expect kickbacks.
 

Woz

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