The Sources Of American Anger And Their Portent For A New Government

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PJABBER

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I don't see where I asked you for any help? You'll have to point that out after you show me my pattern of mendacity.

Are you sure? Aren't all of your posts cries for help? I don't want to generalize here. Maybe it is only those posts you have made recently that are cries for enlightenment?

I guess if you aren't even sure if what you are doing here is a redress for past wrongs you have committed, then I certainly can't take more time than I already have to take you by the hand and lead you into the light.

Best for you to just read my posts and gnash tiny little teeth until you get what it is I am saying in quite simple words.
 

IGBT

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We are now in another political time. The Democratic House could collapse in less than 50 days. The obama lost the majority long ago. And liberal analysts are running to economic explanations. Krugman has led the chorus. "It really is the economy, stupid," he wrote this summer. It's all about jobs and no punitive legislation or taxes.
 

bamacre

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The ideas you advocate are exactly what Hoover tried in the great depression and he got instant and perpetual 25% unemployment.

How many times am I gonna catch you with this lie? How many times am I gonna ask you that?
 

PJABBER

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Nice to have you back PJ..

Thanks! Been checking out mineral mining rights in an interesting part of the world. Damn Chinese staking out claims big time have no hesitation to pay whatever baksheesh is called for.

For everyone else...

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Orignal Earl

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Are you sure? Aren't all of your posts cries for help? I don't want to generalize here. Maybe it is only those posts you have made recently that are cries for enlightenment?

I guess if you aren't even sure if what you are doing here is a redress for past wrongs you have committed, then I certainly can't take more time than I already have to take you by the hand and lead you into the light.

Best for you to just read my posts and gnash tiny little teeth until you get what it is I am saying in quite simple words.

lol, ya..
Babble on..
 

PJABBER

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Understand, the anger in America is not only toward Democrats. We can point to sources like Judicial Watch and find many familiar names, Democrat and Republican alike.

It is a broad based dissatisfaction, the good reasons listed in the OP are but a few of those motivating a hard, close look at anyone who holds power and has chosen to betray the public's trust.

Some, like Dem Charlie Rangel of New York, just got re-nominated despite a litany of corruption accusations. Obviously, the Dem Party faithful don't care.

Obviously, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Equally obviously, it is the Dems that hold absolute power in the legislative and executive branches of the Federal government and jumped at the chance to prove that truism in less than two years, though they had done their best even earlier.

There is a tsunami that has gathered, though it has not peaked. Our best hope is that it will wash away the detritus that we are now ashamed to call public servants.
 

Cutterhead

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Good read. Like it or not, the article does highlight how a growing number of people in America feel towards the establishment.
 

PeshakJang

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A load of steaming, stinking ideological propaganda.

Based on the last dozens of times spending the time debunking similar piles point by point, it's not worth the time.

Those who fall for it will inject it like a fix and are not interested in being clean.

Seems like that's about all you can do... point to some non-existent past where you debunked something, and then degrade anybody who might object to your position without actually putting anything forward. Par for the course I suppose... when you support unsupportable positions, you'll wind up falling on your ass.
 

kranky

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I would love to see statesmen instead of politicians, from both parties. Elections which would require me to choose the best of two worthy candidates instead of the least offensive. I would love to see the public choose candidates based on their own research instead of who bought the most advertising time slamming the opponent, which would put an end to the "who has the most money wins" results. I get so tired of people voting straight party tickets without a clue of who is even running. I guess that's how Rangel - and the bad Republicans, also - win again.

We need a complete overhaul. Every incumbent ought to be tossed out. I honestly hope some of these tea party candidates win just so we can have people in office who are not already neck-deep in promises to dole out special favors, who might have nothing to lose by revealing what kind of insidious crap is going on behind closed doors.

Yes, some deserving officeholders would suffer if all incumbents lost. But we need a clean slate and fresh air. Not a Congress full of lawyers. Perhaps an all-rookie Congress would allow the insiders' club to dissolve. And if it started up again, they would know the public is ready and able to toss them out like they did once.

I'm ready to vote for a greenhorn candidate, with lousy public speaking skills and ill-fitting suits, over a well-groomed, slick-talking lawyer incumbent just to see how it turns out once elected. It cannot be any worse than it is now.
 

piasabird

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Republicans dont know how to bribe and coerce their members into doing what they want like the Democrats do.
 

PJABBER

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I would love to see statesmen instead of politicians, from both parties. Elections which would require me to choose the best of two worthy candidates instead of the least offensive. I would love to see the public choose candidates based on their own research instead of who bought the most advertising time slamming the opponent, which would put an end to the "who has the most money wins" results. I get so tired of people voting straight party tickets without a clue of who is even running. I guess that's how Rangel - and the bad Republicans, also - win again.

We need a complete overhaul. Every incumbent ought to be tossed out. I honestly hope some of these tea party candidates win just so we can have people in office who are not already neck-deep in promises to dole out special favors, who might have nothing to lose by revealing what kind of insidious crap is going on behind closed doors.

Yes, some deserving officeholders would suffer if all incumbents lost. But we need a clean slate and fresh air. Not a Congress full of lawyers. Perhaps an all-rookie Congress would allow the insiders' club to dissolve. And if it started up again, they would know the public is ready and able to toss them out like they did once.

I'm ready to vote for a greenhorn candidate, with lousy public speaking skills and ill-fitting suits, over a well-groomed, slick-talking lawyer incumbent just to see how it turns out once elected. It cannot be any worse than it is now.

I would trade off a slightly higher salary for term limits and no pensions for those who would "serve" the people. Anything else and you eventually have entrenched power accompanied all too often by corruption and, inevitably, hubris.
 

PJABBER

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In rereading this thread I've been reflecting on how close we may have come to repeating history here in the United States.

As a society we tend to forget the lessons of history.

Sometimes we gloss over just how badly the nation was governed by big government at times and how many were victimized by an overbearing government. So we see liberals adulate the programs of presidents such as FDR, many that survive to this very day, and say we need a government more like we had in those glory days.

But were those really glory days for effective government or just another blow dried accounting, a broad brush stroke that fails to accurately depict what exactly happened then and might but for the grace of God happen in our own time...

Trifle with the government? Just ask Jacob Maged

By George F. Will
Thursday, September 16, 2010

The crime scene at 138 Griffith St. has changed in 76 years. Today it is a barber shop. In 1934, it was a tailoring and cleaning establishment owned and run by Jacob Maged, 49.

With his responsibilities as a father of four, Maged should have shunned a life of crime. Instead, he advertised his criminal activity with a placard in his shop window, promising to press men's suits for 35 cents. This he did, even though President Franklin Roosevelt's New Dealers, who knew an amazing number of things -- his economic aides were not called a "Brains Trust" for nothing -- knew that the proper price for pressing a man's suit was 40 cents.

The National Recovery Administration was an administrative mechanism for the National Industrial Recovery Act of 1933, which envisioned regulating the economy back to health by using, among other things, codes of fair competition. The theory was that by promoting the cartelization of labor by encouraging unions, and the cartelization of industries by codes that would inhibit competition, prices would be propped up and prosperity would return.

Soon there were more than 500 NRA codes covering the manufacture of products from lightning rods to dog leashes to women's corsets. Amity Shlaes, in "The Forgotten Man," her history of the New Deal, reports that the NRA "generated more paper than the entire legislative output of the federal government since 1789." Businesses were asked to display the Blue Eagle, an emblem signifying participation in the NRA. Gen. Hugh "Iron Pants" Johnson, an admirer of Mussolini who headed the NRA, declared, "May God have mercy on the man or group of men who attempt to trifle with this bird."

Maged trifled by his 5-cent violation of New Jersey's "tailors' code," written in conjunction with the NRA. On April 20, 1934, he was fined $100 -- serious money when the average family income was about $1,500 -- and sentenced to 30 days in jail. The New York Times reported that Maged "was only vaguely aware of the existence of a code." Not that such ignorance was forgivable. It is every citizen's duty to stay up late at night, if necessary, reading the fine print about the government's multiplying mandates.

"In court yesterday," the Times reported, "he stood as if in a trance when sentence was pronounced. He hoped that it was a joke." Maged was an immigrant from Poland, which in the Cold War would become familiar with the concept of "economic crimes" and the use of criminal law for the "re-education" of deviationists.

Actually, his sentence was a judicial jest. After Maged spent three days in jail, the judge canceled the rest of his sentence, remitted the fine and, according to the Times, "gave him a little lecture on the importance of cooperation as opposed to individualism." The judge emphasized that people "should uphold the president . . . and General Johnson" in their struggle against -- among other miscreants -- "price cutters." Then, like a feudal lord granting a dispensation to a serf, the judge promised to have Maged "measure me for a new suit."

Maged, suitably broken to the saddle of government, removed from his shop window the placard advertising 35-cent pressings and replaced it with a Blue Eagle. "Maged," reported the Times, "if not quite so ruggedly individualistic as formerly, was a free man once more." So that is freedom -- embracing, under coercion, a government propaganda symbol.

Today, as 76 years ago, economic recovery is much on the mind of the government, which is busy as a beaver -- sending another $26 billion to public employees, proposing an additional $50 billion for "infrastructure" -- as it orchestrates Recovery Summer to an appropriate climax. But at least today's government is agnostic about the proper price for cleaning a suit.

In 1937, FDR asked in his second inaugural address for "unimagined power" to enforce "proper subordination" of private interests to public authority. The biggest industrial collapse in American history occurred eight years after the stock market crash of 1929, and nearly five years into the New Deal, in . . . 1937.

Maged died here of cancer on March 31, 1939. He was 54. He remains a cautionary example of the wages of sin, understood by the progressives of his day as insubordination toward government that knows everything. The NRA lives on, sort of, in this Milton Friedman observation: Pick at random any three letters from the alphabet, put them in any order, and you will have an acronym designating a federal agency we can do without.
 

Moonbeam

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When you manage a pork farm you have to put pig food in the troughs. And you will find pigs at the trough at feeding time. Sui sui sui!