The solution to the "florida" problem and all this election problem

[Czar]

Why not let everyone vote again, and there will just be two candidates, Bush and Gore. It shows alot better what the people want.
This system is used in Finland, and many other countries, not sure which ones.

 

[DarK SagE]

I agree why the hell cant we just have a revote?

 

[chess9]

Each state would have to agree to a re-vote. Bush wouldn't agree because Gore would win easily with the Nader people not voting for Nader. Also, the states can't afford the cost, which is enormous.

No way this will happen.

 

[IamDavid]

I don't want either of them though. I would vote for my cab driver before I would use my vote to elect one of these two weasels.

 

[Lord Evermore]

Plus people will be influenced by who they think would win anyway based on previous voting, and possibly just vote for that person. (The oracle predicts the future, and in predicting, makes it happen.)

The candidates' desires can't legally figure into it. Just because they're concerned about not getting enough votes due to the 3rd party voters or something like that doesn't mean that a revote can't happen. However the stupidity of many humans would cause them to vote differently on a revote than they would normally, based on what they think other people will be voting.

Logically you'd think: ok, there were some problems with the first go, let's do it again. But then you hit the moron factor and realize that it just won't work.

 

[ride525]

<< Why not let everyone vote again, and there will just be two candidates, Bush and Gore. It shows alot better what the people want. >>



Sounds like a good idea to me.....except I don't see how our laws and legal system are set up to do this.

 

[Czar]

How can a law and legal system stop it?


Just have to change the election laws a bit, so each election has two votings, first where everyone takes part in, then only the two who got the highest votes.

 

[ride525]

<< How can a law and legal system stop it?
Just have to change the election laws a bit, so each election has two votings, first where everyone takes part in, then only the two who got the highest votes. >>



I agree the laws and legal system could be changed....just not in time to help the current situation.....

 

[IamDavid]

Why only allow 2 candidates? As it is barely half of the registered voters vote in the first place. I believe its because the limited choices we have. I don't think this is the way to go. Maybe if we had fixed the problems with the voting process in the first place we wouldn't be in this predicament now. In Florida it is routine for a county to throw out 20,000 votes. Why? There must be a flaw in the process.

 

[MisterM]

I too think the system used in Finnland is very good:

In the first round there are the normal candidates, in the second round you can decide between one of the 2 &quot;strongest&quot; candidates. That way people don`t feel like they are throwing away their votes by not voting for an major candidate in the first round, and can still decide between the lesser of 2 evils (if they don´t want one of the major candidates) in the second round.

The only probelm is that it`s too late to change the law now , but if it would come to an reelection (although I doubt it) you should just put Bush against Gore and get done with it.

 

[IamDavid]

Isn't the system your talking about already in use here? Its called the Primaries. Maybe if people would've listened to McCain back in march we wouldn't be in this mess now.

 

[DanC]

I say a deuel is in order.

 

[Capn]

I say John McCain for dictator!

 

[DanC]

&quot;Top 'O the mornin' to ya&quot; Red

 

[Tripleshot]

I woke this morning with this email in my box.

What ever where they thinking?

Dear Sxx Wxxxxxxx,


From: Don Evans, Chairman, Bush-Cheney Campaign

This is an urgent message to supporters of Governor George W. Bush and Secretary Dick Cheney regarding the situation in Florida.
It is now clear we must raise money to fund the recount effort in Florida. Governor Bush won the vote on Election Day, a victory confirmed by a recount. Now, the other side is seeking yet a third count by hand. There is a reason why ballots are counted by computer and not by hand.
The expense of the recount effort must be funded immediately. Please send a check in any amount that you can up to $5000 today. These contributions, in keeping with Governor Bush?s ?full disclosure? policy on financial contributions, will be posted on the Bush-Cheney website. Any funds not spent will be returned on a pro rata basis.
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2. Checks should be payable to Bush-Cheney Recount Fund.
3. Mail or overnight check to:

Donald L. Evans
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Austin, Texas 77801

4. These funds do not count against your annual personal federal giving limit of $25,000.

Thank you for your friendship and support. If you have friends that can help, please forward this message to them immediately. We thank you for all that you did to help elect Governor Bush and Secretary Cheney. We also thank you in advance for your willingness to help us during this important time in the life of our country.
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Yea right:disgust:

 

[beat mania]

they should take paypal.

 

[SKiller]

IamDavid correct me if I'm wrong, but McCain kicked GWB's butt in the primaries, the republican leaders simply decided to force Bush anyways.

 

[Cybordolphin]

Or how bout.... we just divide the nation in half. The Demo's on one side the Republican's on the other. If the Demo's come across the line their fair game (+) . LOL... we would have much more real estate!

That way I can throw away this $375 ticket my son received for riding up the street for a minute without his helmet on. I can ride my Harley the way I like to.... and keep ALL of my guns. I could tell the county I live in that they can no longer add 400% to all traffic (they call it an &quot;assessment&quot violations &quot;just because its the law&quot;. take my children to the same places that I used to hunt and fish as a kid, and teach them to &quot;respect&quot; the wilderness. And I could take back what is rightfully mine..... namely (amongst so many things) the tax money the Demo's have sitting in someone elses account that they can't seem to figure out how to spend. That money is mine. That money is yours. Not theirs. I want it back. I want it back NOW. (so I can buy more CISCO stock)

I LIKE IT!

 

[Cybordolphin]

And a hush falls over the crowd.....

 

[Cybordolphin]

Sigh... I thought it sounded great.

 

[Capn]

&quot;IamDavid correct me if I'm wrong, but McCain kicked GWB's butt in the primaries, the republican leaders simply decided to force Bush anyways&quot;

Nope, wrong.

 

[subaquous]

If you?re not smart enough to read and vote right the first time, then why should you be able to vote again? You get up to 3 ballets, hence 3 chances to fill it out correctly. And BTW, a hand recount to a stupid idea, trying to figure out what the voter intended? Maybe I should call my college and have them review my grades, after all, I intended to get all A's..... Or, maybe people should start taking responsibly for their own actions and not blame others for their ignorance

I heard on the radio that a lady copied the ballet from the newspaper, gave a copy to each of her kids, their ages were 8, 10 and 13 years old and told them to vote for Gore. Guess what happened? They were all able to follow the arrow to Gore's name and mark it. Maybe that?s why the same ballets where used in numerous other states and even in Florida last election...

 

[DefRef]

SKiller: McCain won a FEW states which the media tried to whip into a ground swell of support for their chosen candidate. They hoped he'd knock off Bush, leaving him without anyone to vote for him in the General Election, when the Democrats returned home to their nominee after making mischief for the GOP. He won my state (MI) because we have open primaries and many Dems cross over to mess with the process.

McCain sank himself with his inflamatory rhetoric. You don't compare your opponent to Clinton and go into Pat Robertson's backyard and accuse Christians of being hateful extremists and then wonder why Republicans won't vote for you.

Gore would've run as the &quot;calm&quot; candidate vs. McCain's &quot;hothead&quot; and would've won huge. He'd ask, &quot;Can we trust our peace and prosperity to someone who's first act as President would be to drop leaflets from B-52s over Viet Nam that read 'It's back on, Charlie!'?&quot; (last bit courtesy of Dennis Miller)

 

[IamDavid]

I just want to know when it will all be over? Will Gore push it till he wins? Will Bush announce that he's the winner even if there's still questions? Or maybe they will continue fighting like school children until the stock market tanks? Maybe Jesse Jackson will call for riots in the streets of Florida? Or Bill Clinton could come out and declare that he is now the and forever the President? Or maybe just maybe one of the two losers will finally do what is right for the country and simply bow out gracefully?

 

[Cknyc]

I want Bill Clinton to declare he will be forever president