The soft left summed up in under four minutes.

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fskimospy

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That's not how truth works. Something is true if it accurately reflects the state of the world. The statement 'that table has four legs' is true in virtue of the table's four leggedness. Just because you think a statement is true, doesn't mean it is, even if you have good reasons for thinking it's true. What you're talking about are beliefs. Consensus doesn't always lead to truth. Lot's of people believed in a geocentric universe for thousands of years. They were wrong. Just because a lot of people believe white males are discriminated against, doesn't make it true. To make a broad claim like 'white males are discriminated against', we'd need a large sample and lots of research. Unless the only point you're trying to make is that you (or some white males) are discriminated against, anecdotes don't do anything.

No, not unless someone measures it. We'd need to know exactly why these people voted the way they did and evaluate their claims. They might believe they are being discriminated against, but that doesn't mean their belief is true. Again, lots of people can be wrong.

It's weird, he's literally making the argument O'Brien makes in 1984:

O’Brien silenced him by a movement of his hand. ‘We control matter because we control the mind. Reality is inside the skull. You will learn by degrees, Winston. There is nothing that we could not do. Invisibility, levitation — anything. I could float off this floor like a soap bubble if I wish to. I do not wish to, because the Party does not wish it. You must get rid of those nineteenth-century ideas about the laws of Nature. We make the laws of Nature.
 

SlowSpyder

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If you don't think the empirical evidence says what I think it says then by all means quote from it and explain why my interpretation is wrong. (good luck, haha)

As for the rest of it, it's hilarious that you just used the 'you have your fancy numbers, I live in the real world' line. The research is very clear that minorities face a much more difficult time getting jobs than white candidates do and the fact that you think your spreadsheet somehow trumps research involving tens of thousands of applicants is ridiculous. Once again, just as I predicted, you basically just declared that actual scientific evidence that you're wrong doesn't count. Amazing how this 'realist' and 'pragmatist' sure hates reality when it tells him things he doesn't want to hear.

No, minorities are conditioned to believe this lie and then some people use the victim card. This is exactly what this thread is about, how soft the left is. I've faced institutionalized racism in trying to get hired, but as Milo said in the video you ignore, I'll soldier on and make do. No other group faces ok'd, even celebrated, institutionalized racism. I've worked hard to achieve, today people want things handed to them. Anyone in America that honestly wants a real career and pay that can support a family can achieve, its just a question of how hard do you want to work for it. I totally understand that there are challenges for some groups that are stuck in a cycle of thinking that they should rely on the government to survive. But those social programs were created by the left and started that cycle.

Ronald Reagan and FDR, two of the most over rated presidents ever.
 
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mect

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No, minorities are conditioned to believe this lie and then some people use the victim card. This is exactly what this thread is about, how soft the left is. I've faced institutionalized racism in trying to get hired, but as Milo said in the video you ignore, I'll soldier on and make do. No other group faces ok'd, even celebrated, institutionalized racism. I've worked hard to achieve, today people want things handed to them. Anyone in America that honestly wants a real career and pay that can support a family can achieve, its just a question of how hard do you want to work for it. I totally understand that there are challenges for some groups that are stuck in a cycle of thinking that they should rely on the government to survive. But those social programs were created by the left and started that cycle.

Ronald Reagan and FDR, two of the most over rated presidents ever.
So you are of the opinion that blacks are weak and lazy and whites are strong and resilient? And then you complain when you are labelled a racist?
 

fskimospy

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No, minorities are conditioned to believe this lie and then some people use the victim card. This is exactly what this thread is about, how soft the left is. I've faced institutionalized racism in trying to get hired, but as Milo said in the video you ignore, I'll soldier on and make do. No other group faces ok'd, even celebrated, institutionalized racism. I've worked hard to achieve, today people want things handed to them. Anyone in America that honestly wants a real career and pay that can support a family can achieve, its just a question of how hard do you want to work for it. I totally understand that there are challenges for some groups that are stuck in a cycle of thinking that they should rely on the government to survive. But those social programs were created by the left and started that cycle.

Ronald Reagan and FDR, two of the most over rated presidents ever.

As I figured! Facts don't matter, it's all about what you feel. When confronted with reams of empirical evidence that what you think is wrong you simply hand wave it away. It's also awesome that you complain about how other people play the victim card and then start whining about how you're victimized. Finally, I'm glad that after writing something like this you've decided to dispense with the lie that you were going to vote for Clinton until the DNC emails made you switch. Nobody believes that shit for a second.

You're just not a rational or logical person and it shows. At least you proved my point for me that you're not capable of accepting contrary information.
 

SlowSpyder

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So you are of the opinion that blacks are weak and lazy and whites are strong and resilient? And then you complain when you are labelled a racist?


I'm complaining about conditioning and the reality that people can achieve if they want to, but the left has helped create a cycle that makes that harder to achieve. No one has called me a racist, I am not a racist. I grew up where I was very much the minority, have black people in my family, people I value and love like any other relative. You don't know me and trying to put that label on me would be the ignorant at best.
 

mect

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I'm complaining about conditioning and the reality that people can achieve if they want to, but the left has helped create a cycle that makes that harder to achieve. No one has called me a racist, I am not a racist. I grew up where I was very much the minority, have black people in my family, people I value and love like any other relative. You don't know me and trying to put that label on me would be the ignorant at best.
And yet you feel that whites are strong and resilient and blacks are weak and lazy.
 

SlowSpyder

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As I figured! Facts don't matter, it's all about what you feel. When confronted with reams of empirical evidence that what you think is wrong you simply hand wave it away. It's also awesome that you complain about how other people play the victim card and then start whining about how you're victimized. Finally, I'm glad that after writing something like this you've decided to dispense with the lie that you were going to vote for Clinton until the DNC emails made you switch. Nobody believes that shit for a second.

You're just not a rational or logical person and it shows. At least you proved my point for me that you're not capable of accepting contrary information.


No, you simply have tunnel vision and are one of these people that gets an emotionally built idea and then go to I'mright.com to find stats to show how right you are. But all the facts and figure in the universe cannot teach wisdom, and you miss the forest for the trees time and time again.
 

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I'm complaining about conditioning and the reality that people can achieve if they want to, but the left has helped create a cycle that makes that harder to achieve. No one has called me a racist, I am not a racist. I grew up where I was very much the minority, have black people in my family, people I value and love like any other relative. You don't know me and trying to put that label on me would be the ignorant at best.

Racist.

That is 1.
 

mect

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No, you simply have tunnel vision and are one of these people that gets an emotionally built idea and then go to I'mright.com to find stats to show how right you are. But all the facts and figure in the universe cannot teach wisdom, you miss the forest for the trees time and time again.
You clearly do not understand what a metastudy is.
 

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A lot of zombie lefties fit perfectly into the description of exactly what Mr. Shapiro says here. Victimhood... You can't fix a problem until you admit there is a problem. Today it seems the left is so ready to be outraged (often on the behalf of others... Pocahontas), always looking for a reason to be triggered. Your life is your own, you have the steering wheel. Stop blaming everyone else for your shitty decisions.
How about that war on Christmas that the right is always complaining about? You want to talk about bullshit fake victimhood, start there.
I am the only person I know of who is at war against christmas, NOBODY will join me in my crusade against christmas. I will fight jesus and santa and frosty if I have to!
 

fskimospy

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No, you simply have tunnel vision and are one of these people that gets an emotionally built idea and then go to I'mright.com to find stats to show how right you are. But all the facts and figure in the universe cannot teach wisdom, and you miss the forest for the trees time and time again.

Well if my ideas are wrong then it should be easy for you to find empirical research of your own that shows that's the case. Remember, that's what I asked you for to begin with and you never supplied. How long until you will be supplying this?

One of us is arguing based on emotion. I'm going to go with the guy who refuses to accept scientific research because of how he feels. ;)
 

mect

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You are not calling me that for any organic truthful reason, just because of my post. Troll somewhere else.
What else is to be concluded when you are of the opinion that whites have the greatest obstacles to face when it comes to obtaining employment and yet are the most successful in doing so?
 

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No, you simply have tunnel vision and are one of these people that gets an emotionally built idea and then go to I'mright.com to find stats to show how right you are. But all the facts and figure in the universe cannot teach wisdom, and you miss the forest for the trees time and time again.


look how dumb you are
 

J.Wilkins

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You are not calling me that for any organic truthful reason, just because of my post. Troll somewhere else.

This is not true at all, I honestly believe that you would really, REALLY love to have Muslims seen as you see them, as second level citizens.

You have demonstrated that previously so please, ya twat, don't whine about it as if I triggered your snowflake arse by telling the truth.
 

fskimospy

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Find me anything like this that promotes white males:

https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/hiring/affirmativeact

There is the real racism, the only truly institutionalized racism today. Don't confuse socially acceptable with being wrong.

The guy who says the only true racism is against whites wants everyone else to know he's not racist.

I am so glad this thread continued on after two pages as your meltdown here is amazing.
 
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J.Wilkins

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Yea, you're trolling in on his trolling.

Calling someone out on his apparent opinions is now trolling? If so, aren't you the biggest troll on this forum.

I've always liked when you do that and I never seen it as trolling but rather a valid argument of beliefs that you challenge but somehow it's now Trolling?
 
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The guy who says the only true racism is against whites wants everyone else to know he's not racist.

I am so glad this thread continued on after two pages as your meltdown here is amazing.
he's dropped so many breadcrumbs leading us here but he just dropped the whole loaf on that post and said 'fuck it, I'm a racist, here's my link to prove it'