The soft left summed up in under four minutes.

[SlowSpyder]

Lame. I bet this one doesn't make it more than 2 pages.

Did you also pick Hillary to win?

 

[Starbuck1975]

If the hiring manager told you that then they should have been fired and you should have sued them or received a settlement. Easy peasy. I find it unlikely that any company was so colossally stupid as to open themselves to massive liability in that way, but I guess there are stupid people in the world so here we are.

Regardless, reality is that for the average person being white and male is a significant workplace advantage and the empirical evidence clearly shows this. Let me guess though, those are 'high level statistics' that don't count.

When the life experiences of enough people contradict the empirical evidence, it clearly shows there are other factors at play

 

[zinfamous]

A lot of zombie lefties fit perfectly into the description of exactly what Mr. Shapiro says here. Victimhood... You can't fix a problem until you admit there is a problem. Today it seems the left is so ready to be outraged (often on the behalf of others... Pocahontas), always looking for a reason to be triggered. Your life is your own, you have the steering wheel. Stop blaming everyone else for your shitty decisions.

wow, the voters that have acted like the biggest victims over the last several decades: "The war against my religion! The war against my control of other human's bodies! The war against my unqualified job by superior and better-educated immigrants! The war against my superior whiteness!" are still trying to argue that the other people are true victims?

fuck off, troll. Your skin is so thin it's transparent. Go smoke yourself unconscious.

 

[J.Wilkins]

When the life experiences of enough people contradict the empirical evidence, it clearly shows there are other factors at play

Experiences are subjectively true but empirical evidence is objectively true which means that it is actually true.

I may experience something as true that is shown to be false through empirical evidence, whether I accept it to be false or true does not change what is objectively true.

 

[Thebobo]

Want to know something else? The hiring manager was a really good guy, and he was a Muslim (moderate guy, took his kids to see Santa as an example). And again, this is a 100% true story.

I've read and watch videos on both sides of this argument, today I feel the white male has the most hurdles to jump to get a job, the white male is the only class that institutional racism against him is not only allowed, but celebrated often.

Did you watch the video I posted?

No

But we are still waiting. Over here ------>

 

[bradly1101]

A lot of zombie lefties fit perfectly into the description of exactly what Mr. Shapiro says here. Victimhood... You can't fix a problem until you admit there is a problem. Today it seems the left is so ready to be outraged (often on the behalf of others... Pocahontas), always looking for a reason to be triggered. Your life is your own, you have the steering wheel. Stop blaming everyone else for your shitty decisions.

I totally grok this. I remember what it was like when tides seemed turned against me. It's hard not to lash out, to be empathetic to the perceived threat. You're safe here and have a wide audience. Without any real power, we beg for reaction.

 

[fskimospy]

Want to know something else? The hiring manager was a really good guy, and he was a Muslim (moderate guy, took his kids to see Santa as an example). And again, this is a 100% true story.

Why is the fact that he is Muslim relevant in any way? As to whether or not he was a good guy, that company committed actionable discrimination against you that he freely acknowledged. A lawsuit was/is entirely appropriate.

I've read and watch videos on both sides of this argument, today I feel the white male has the most hurdles to jump to get a job, the white male is the only class that institutional racism against him is not only allowed, but celebrated often.

Did you watch the video I posted?

I have no doubt that you feel this, but the empirical evidence shows otherwise. I have no desire to watch a Milo Yiannopoulos video as it relates to this discussion as he is both a highly dishonest individual and someone who has no knowledge or expertise as it pertains to the empirical research on employment discrimination. Linking to lying incompetents is not helpful to your argument. Now if you want to link me some actual empirical research that shows employment discrimination is greater for white people than for people of other races I would be definitely interested to read that.

So that you don't think I'm asking you for this evidence without supplying it myself here's some actual empirical research on racism in hiring to get you started. I link all of this with the full knowledge that you will ignore it all and/or find excuses as to why it doesn't count. (while of course fully accepting YouTube videos as your evidence, haha)

Here's a study on racism in hiring:

http://www2.econ.iastate.edu/classes/econ321/orazem/bertrand_emily.pdf

We study race in the labor market by sending fictitious resumes to help-wanted ads in Boston and Chicago newspapers. To manipulate perceived race, resumes are randomly assigned African-American- or White-sounding names. White names receive 50 percent more callbacks for interviews. Callbacks are also more responsive to resume quality for White names than for African-American ones. The racial gap is uniform across occupation, industry, and employer size. We also find little evidence that employers are inferring social class from the names. Differential treatment by race still appears to still be prominent in the U.S. labor market

Here's a second study on racism in hiring from this year:

http://www.pnas.org/content/114/41/10870.full

We observe no change in the level of hiring discrimination against African Americans over the past 25 years, although we find modest evidence of a decline in discrimination against Latinos. Accounting for applicant education, applicant gender, study method, occupational groups, and local labor market conditions does little to alter this result. Contrary to claims of declining discrimination in American society, our estimates suggest that levels of discrimination remain largely unchanged, at least at the point of hire.

Here's a meta-analysis of a lot of different forms of discrimination, employment included:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2915460/

Discrimination is not the only cause of racial disparities in the United States. Indeed, persistent inequality between racial and ethnic groups is the product of complex and multifaceted influences. Nevertheless, the weight of existing evidence suggests that discrimination does continue to affect the allocation of contemporary opportunities; and, further, given the often covert, indirect, and cumulative nature of these effects, our current estimates may in fact understate the degree to which discrimination contributes to the poor social and economic outcomes of minority groups.

Now a 'realist' and a 'pragmatist' should be very comfortable with changing his mind in the face of empirical evidence. I don't think you're either. Prove me wrong!

 

[Jhhnn]

Please watch this short video. I agree 100% with Milo here. It sums up my feelings quite well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxTVBcFY4m8

Gibberish. I'm forced to consider the idea that right wing agitprop may cause physical brain damage.

 

[obidamnkenobi]

In some situations, I agree. Overall the further left you go, the more victimy it gets.

Is that why almost all scientist, all of Hollywood and entertainment industry, virtually all the tech firms (some of the most powerful companies on the planet), majority of the the richest and most successful blue states and metro areas are inhabited by "soft, weak, victimy" leftist people? Where do these tough conservative people live? Oh yeah, in rural, failing flyover rust belt states with highest crime and teenage pregnancy, divorce, and illness rates! So successful! such winning!

BTW Shapiro says he wants to see evidence of racism. There are numerous studies of both racism and sexism in several segments of society. Does he accept this, or is that "fake"?

 

[Jhhnn]

Want to know something else? The hiring manager was a really good guy, and he was a Muslim (moderate guy, took his kids to see Santa as an example). And again, this is a 100% true story.

I've read and watch videos on both sides of this argument, today I feel the white male has the most hurdles to jump to get a job, the white male is the only class that institutional racism against him is not only allowed, but celebrated often.

Did you watch the video I posted?

Post-truth delusions of White male victimhood-

 

[bradly1101]

I noticed that the speaker acknowledged that people can experience racism in America. I saw also where he stated that people who say they are victims when they really aren't victims will be angry if their victim mentality is challenged. What is the situation where a person actually is a victim and their victim status is challenged? Do such people exist. Do you have to have your church burned down to be a hard victim or be tortured or mauled by some vicious racist? Furthermore, how do you think conservatives feel being asked to contribute taxes to help people who are have been socially victimized by racism when they may have their own issues they feel are not being addressed? Could it be that some people feel victimized by the potential exposure of their own self-centeredness?

That people feel threatened when their core identities are challenged is an obvious fact, but never apparent to anybody in the act of challenge. You see yourself as being victimized by people who feel victimized, some of whom have been and some of them maybe not so much. How bad is your case?

The irony of feeling victimized by others that he hates to see as claiming victimhood themselves. "Victim" is also defined as someone who is tricked or duped.

 

[zinfamous]

Want to know something else? The hiring manager was a really good guy, and he was a Muslim (moderate guy, took his kids to see Santa as an example). And again, this is a 100% true story.

I've read and watch videos on both sides of this argument, today I feel the white male has the most hurdles to jump to get a job, the white male is the only class that institutional racism against him is not only allowed, but celebrated often.

Did you watch the video I posted?

Of course you believe this. You are an uncritical absorber of easily verifiable nonsense.

 

[realibrad]

Experiences are subjectively true but empirical evidence is objectively true which means that it is actually true.

I may experience something as true that is shown to be false through empirical evidence, whether I accept it to be false or true does not change what is objectively true.

What if someone feels sexually harassed even if the person accused had no intent? Was there objectively sexual harassment?

 

[jackstar7]

When the life experiences of enough people contradict the empirical evidence, it clearly shows there are other factors at play

Oooooo! How many is enough?!

 

[J.Wilkins]

Why is the fact that he is Muslim relevant in any way? As to whether or not he was a good guy, that company committed actionable discrimination against you that he freely acknowledged. A lawsuit was/is entirely appropriate.



I have no doubt that you feel this, but the empirical evidence shows otherwise. I have no desire to watch a Milo Yiannopoulos video as it relates to this discussion as he is both a highly dishonest individual and someone who has no knowledge or expertise as it pertains to the empirical research on employment discrimination. Linking to lying incompetents is not helpful to your argument. Now if you want to link me some actual empirical research that shows employment discrimination is greater for white people than for people of other races I would be definitely interested to read that.

So that you don't think I'm asking you for this evidence without supplying it myself here's some actual empirical research on racism in hiring to get you started. I link all of this with the full knowledge that you will ignore it all and/or find excuses as to why it doesn't count. (while of course fully accepting YouTube videos as your evidence, haha)

Here's a study on racism in hiring:

http://www2.econ.iastate.edu/classes/econ321/orazem/bertrand_emily.pdf



Here's a second study on racism in hiring from this year:

http://www.pnas.org/content/114/41/10870.full



Here's a meta-analysis of a lot of different forms of discrimination, employment included:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2915460/



Now a 'realist' and a 'pragmatist' should be very comfortable with changing his mind in the face of empirical evidence. I don't think you're either. Prove me wrong!

Impressive, you took the time to scientifically establish a point of validity that cannot be argued against through reasonable means. In another fora this might be valuable to many members as a point of reference... as an argument with this guy though.... He's not going to bother with facts or true statements, he has no sense of intelligent discourse.

He's wilfully ignorant, he knows the "truth" and no matter what, that is what he will believe to be true.

 

[J.Wilkins]

What if someone feels sexually harassed even if the person accused had no intent? Was there objectively sexual harassment?

That is up for an objective party to determine... How is this even a question?

 

[fskimospy]

Impressive, you took the time to scientifically establish a point of validity that cannot be argued against through reasonable means. In another fora this might be valuable to many members as a point of reference... as an argument with this guy though.... He's not going to bother with facts or true statements, he has no sense of intelligent discourse.

He's wilfully ignorant, he knows the "truth" and no matter what, that is what he will believe to be true.

Oh I know, I said as much in that post. It’s mostly just entertaining to see the excuses he will come up with for why the empirical research is wrong and a YouTube video from Milo is right.

I also think it’s amusing that he expects us to believe a gun enthusiast that thinks white men are the most discriminated against and links Milo videos was totally voting for Clinton until Podesta’s emails were leaked. Lol.

 

[Jhhnn]

The irony of feeling victimized by others that he hates to see as claiming victimhood themselves. "Victim" is also defined as someone who is tricked or duped.

Post-truth Chumps for Trump!

 

[realibrad]

That is up for an objective party to determine... How is this even a question?

An objective party does not mean their decision is objective. I asked you if its objectively or subjectively sexual harassment.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

If the hiring manager told you that then they should have been fired and you should have sued them or received a settlement. Easy peasy. I find it unlikely that any company was so colossally stupid as to open themselves to massive liability in that way, but I guess there are stupid people in the world so here we are.

Regardless, reality is that for the average person being white and male is a significant workplace advantage and the empirical evidence clearly shows this. Let me guess though, those are 'high level statistics' that don't count.

I think you know I don't pull your chain about such things, but I was faced with what amounted to an unwinnable case of discrimination. I had a crazy black woman who had sued the company before when she was disciplined, I don't know why, but she went mental on me and as my supervisor, she was immune to any action as told to me by my then district manager. Instead, I was saddled with her anger and her racism and ultimately I paid the price. Proving a case? The only way I could have was to tape conversations and that is illegal in NY. One heart attack, one termination with prejudice and a quad bypass later I'm still pretty screwed. It isn't easy to spend one's retirement on legal causes with little chance of success.

Now does discrimination occur more often to some groups? Of course and that's where your statistics are valuable, but this is to me what it is to the women Moore assaulted. It's personal and leaves a mark that never goes away. It is never OK.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Why is the fact that he is Muslim relevant in any way? As to whether or not he was a good guy, that company committed actionable discrimination against you that he freely acknowledged. A lawsuit was/is entirely appropriate.



I have no doubt that you feel this, but the empirical evidence shows otherwise. I have no desire to watch a Milo Yiannopoulos video as it relates to this discussion as he is both a highly dishonest individual and someone who has no knowledge or expertise as it pertains to the empirical research on employment discrimination. Linking to lying incompetents is not helpful to your argument. Now if you want to link me some actual empirical research that shows employment discrimination is greater for white people than for people of other races I would be definitely interested to read that.

So that you don't think I'm asking you for this evidence without supplying it myself here's some actual empirical research on racism in hiring to get you started. I link all of this with the full knowledge that you will ignore it all and/or find excuses as to why it doesn't count. (while of course fully accepting YouTube videos as your evidence, haha)

Here's a study on racism in hiring:

http://www2.econ.iastate.edu/classes/econ321/orazem/bertrand_emily.pdf



Here's a second study on racism in hiring from this year:

http://www.pnas.org/content/114/41/10870.full



Here's a meta-analysis of a lot of different forms of discrimination, employment included:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2915460/



Now a 'realist' and a 'pragmatist' should be very comfortable with changing his mind in the face of empirical evidence. I don't think you're either. Prove me wrong!

Just like the left, make excuses. Jobs are out there and available for those who want to try. I don't doubt that there is in fact discrimination, but just like today's white males have to fight through it (using a wrong to try and correct a wrong), anyone who really wants to achieve can. I'm a hiring manager for a Fortune 20 company in IT. My direct reports are two females, and five males. Of those, neither females are white, three of the males are white. My group is quite a common mix. I don't care what you are, male, female, religion, LGBT... none of that matters to me, none at all. I want a good employee and none of that skin color stuff matters. And I bet most managers are similar.

 

[fskimospy]

I think you know I don't pull your chain about such things, but I was faced with what amounted to an unwinnable case of discrimination. I had a crazy black woman who had sued the company before when she was disciplined, I don't know why, but she went mental on me and as my supervisor, she was immune to any action as told to me by my then district manager. Instead, I was saddled with her anger and her racism and ultimately I paid the price. Proving a case? The only way I could have was to tape conversations and that is illegal in NY. One heart attack, one termination with prejudice and a quad bypass later I'm still pretty screwed. It isn't easy to spend one's retirement on legal causes with little chance of success.

Now does discrimination occur more often to some groups? Of course and that's where your statistics are valuable, but this is to me what it is to the women Moore assaulted. It's personal and leaves a mark that never goes away. It is never OK.

No argument here, and I'm really sorry to hear about your experience because you're totally right that it's never okay. I don't doubt for a minute that white people face disadvantages and discrimination in the workplace due to their race, my point is simply that the evidence is very clear: overall the hurdles whites face are smaller than what people of other races face.

 

[zinfamous]

What if someone feels sexually harassed even if the person accused had no intent? Was there objectively sexual harassment?

Isn't this why we have the justice system?

 

[fskimospy]

Just like the left, make excuses. Jobs are out there and available for those who want to try. I don't doubt that there is in fact discrimination, but just like today's white males have to fight through it (using a wrong to try and correct a wrong), anyone who really wants to achieve can. I'm a hiring manager for a Fortune 20 company in IT. My direct reports are two females, and five males. Of those, neither females are white, three of the males are white. My group is quite a common mix. I don't care what you are, male, female, religion, LGBT... none of that matters to me, none at all. I want a good employee and none of that skin color stuff matters. And I bet most managers are similar.

So do you now agree that white people in fact face substantially less discrimination in the workplace than say, black or Hispanic people?

Also if you're a hiring manager for such a large company it is amazing to me that you are not at least aware of the general conclusions of the empirical research on hiring discrimination.

 

[J.Wilkins]

An objective party does not mean their decision is objective. I asked you if its objectively or subjectively sexual harassment.

Wow, you don't understand the meaning of "an objective party"? Given our previous discourse I don't even know how this surprised me but somehow, it did.