The soft left summed up in under four minutes.

[SlowSpyder]

So in other words you are claiming that the reason people don’t like your posts isn’t because they are childish and stupid, it’s because everyone is SO UNFAIRLY biased against you. Yes though, the left is a bunch of victims, haha.

You need to take some personal responsibility for once in your life and realize that you are largely to blame for this.

As said, this isn't what I was saying. I think this forum, generally speaking, is much more left friendly than right friendly. Had I posted something about CBD or a video calling out the right for some of their behavior, I doubt many in this thread would have any issue with it.

 

[fskimospy]

As said, this isn't what I was saying. I think this forum, generally speaking, is much more left friendly than right friendly. Had I posted something about CBD or a video calling out the right for some of their behavior, I doubt many in this thread would have any issue with it.

So then it was exactly what you were saying.

 

[dank69]

As said, this isn't what I was saying. I think this forum, generally speaking, is much more left friendly than right friendly. Had I posted something about CBD or a video calling out the right for some of their behavior, I doubt many in this thread would have any issue with it.

Then come out and say it. Is our criticism of your posts fair or unfair?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

How many left leaning major news outlets do you think there are? How about right leaning? How many celebrities can you name that are liberal of the top of your head? How about conservatives? The media / entertainment industry, generally speaking, on the whole, very much leans left. I don't think too many people with common sense would deny that. That doesn't mean it is a conspiracy or anyone is out to get someone else of a different partisan color. But, on the whole, those groups are left leaning. Protests when a conservative speaker goes to a college campus, open arms if a communist wants to speak. But again, this comes down to why today's left soooooooo looking to be sad and angry. The Dems are ok, but the soft SJW far left liberals have tainted things.

Ideologies create a bias, however, there is a separate issue of truthfulness. In the case of reporting on Trump by the more responsible outlets seems to be accurate. My main complaint would be inaccurate headlines overstating a situation at times. As far as accuracy goes I hold that as more important than quantity. Certainly, there are more against Trump than for, but the burden of evidence against Trump's actions and statements is impossible to ignore even if taken with a grain of salt. The supporting side of this administration is faced with that reality have resorted to gaslighting by spinning fabulous tales and ignoring what has been said and done instead. I find their "reporting" to be reprehensible as it does not serve our nation, our people and most importantly the truth in any way. Without the latter we cannot make informed opinions and our society as whole slides ever downward.

I do share concern when everyone who is not "us" is attacked on campus reflexively, however that does not mean everyone should go unchallenged. You speak of Communists and yes they often speak without challenge but their position is straightforward for the most part and usually is based on perspectives we may or may not agree with. Contrast that with what passes for Conservative attitudes these days where the base ignores or even embraces things that we've attempted to overcome this past century. A strong voice, Bannon, is accepted as a visionary while white supremacists are abundant on his e-rag. A person who is a child molester with little doubt is embraced or at least tacitly accepted by many. A tax plan that will hurt the many is being sold as a "cut" when it will be the opposite in some years, benefiting the few who need it the least. Embracing Russian interference in our elections... it goes on and on. Does this mean that the Dems are perfect? By no means. I still think that Hillary was among the worst of the lot, and the Dems embraced what I call "sectional" politics, that is selecting out groups at the expense of others instead of embracing the nation as a whole while admitting differences exist. I would by far have a Biden, but that was not to be.

All that to say I believe that there are valid perspectives which ought to be allowed to speak but what passes for Conservatives has poisoned the well to the point that they themselves have ruined opportunities for other rational lines of thinking. I shouldn't blame the Left so much as the Right as it has become.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Ideologies create a bias, however, there is a separate issue of truthfulness. In the case of reporting on Trump by the more responsible outlets seems to be accurate. My main complaint would be inaccurate headlines overstating a situation at times. As far as accuracy goes I hold that as more important than quantity. Certainly, there are more against Trump than for, but the burden of evidence against Trump's actions and statements is impossible to ignore even if taken with a grain of salt. The supporting side of this administration is faced with that reality have resorted to gaslighting by spinning fabulous tales and ignoring what has been said and done instead. I find their "reporting" to be reprehensible as it does not serve our nation, our people and most importantly the truth in any way. Without the latter we cannot make informed opinions and our society as whole slides ever downward.

I do share concern when everyone who is not "us" is attacked on campus reflexively, however that does not mean everyone should go unchallenged. You speak of Communists and yes they often speak without challenge but their position is straightforward for the most part and usually is based on perspectives we may or may not agree with. Contrast that with what passes for Conservative attitudes these days where the base ignores or even embraces things that we've attempted to overcome this past century. A strong voice, Bannon, is accepted as a visionary while white supremacists are abundant on his e-rag. A person who is a child molester with little doubt is embraced or at least tacitly accepted by many. A tax plan that will hurt the many is being sold as a "cut" when it will be the opposite in some years, benefiting the few who need it the least. Embracing Russian interference in our elections... it goes on and on. Does this mean that the Dems are perfect? By no means. I still think that Hillary was among the worst of the lot, and the Dems embraced what I call "sectional" politics, that is selecting out groups at the expense of others instead of embracing the nation as a whole while admitting differences exist. I would by far have a Biden, but that was not to be.

All that to say I believe that there are valid perspectives which ought to be allowed to speak but what passes for Conservatives has poisoned the well to the point that they themselves have ruined opportunities for other rational lines of thinking. I shouldn't blame the Left so much as the Right as it has become.

Appreciate your thoughtful response, even if I disagree with a good portion of it.

I bolded part that stands out to me. I think this is projection, that the right / cons embrace old values we want to turn from. Today I think the left is the more racist side. The left injects race constantly, often when it doesn't belong. The left pushes for policies where racism is institutionalized against white people, particularly males. I myself have quite literally been told I did not get the job because I am a white male and more diversity was needed and requested from execs. This has literally happened to me in the past. The left celebrates this.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Appreciate your thoughtful response, even if I disagree with a good portion of it.

I bolded part that stands out to me. I think this is projection, that the right / cons embrace old values we want to turn from. Today I think the left is the more racist side. The left injects race constantly, often when it doesn't belong. The left pushes for policies where racism is institutionalized against white people, particularly males. I myself have quite literally been told I did not get the job because I am a white male and more diversity was needed and requested from execs. This has literally happened to me in the past. The left celebrates this.

bullshit, troll

 

[SlowSpyder]

bullshit, troll

Look at how the leftist reacts to opinions you disagree with. Exactly the point of this thread.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Look at how the leftist reacts to opinions you disagree with. Exactly the point of this thread.

nah, you're just a troll. A bit more eloquent than most, but still a troll. And you try to spread bullshit by making it appear as tactile situations you've gone through. Hence, bullshit, troll.
Want proof you're nothing but a troll? See your sig.

 

[MrPickins]

Appreciate your thoughtful response, even if I disagree with a good portion of it.

I bolded part that stands out to me. I think this is projection, that the right / cons embrace old values we want to turn from. Today I think the left is the more racist side. The left injects race constantly, often when it doesn't belong. The left pushes for policies where racism is institutionalized against white people, particularly males. I myself have quite literally been told I did not get the job because I am a white male and more diversity was needed and requested from execs. This has literally happened to me in the past. The left celebrates this.

And how many jobs have you had a leg up on due to the fact that you're a white male (let's not pretend it doesn't happen)? How many other benefits, some subtle and some not, have you enjoyed?

It's called leveling the playing field.

 

[Jhhnn]

Look at how the leftist reacts to opinions you disagree with. Exactly the point of this thread.

Gawd. You asserted the screed of white victimhood as fact when it's anything but. Your perception of white people as victims of the system is laughable.

 

[SlowSpyder]

And how many jobs have you had a leg up on due to the fact that you're a white male (let's not pretend it doesn't happen)? How many other benefits, some subtle and some not, have you enjoyed?

It's called leveling the playing field.

What advantage did I have exactly?

 

[Jaskalas]

All that to say I believe that there are valid perspectives which ought to be allowed to speak but what passes for Conservatives has poisoned the well to the point that they themselves have ruined opportunities for other rational lines of thinking. I shouldn't blame the Left so much as the Right as it has become.

I think between Infowars and Brietbart, the internet provides our nation its first exposure to a hostile segment of the population that we never... appreciated before. They were written off as extinct, when in reality they were merely segregated from the mainstream. Splintered and broken, these folks had little chance at a national movement.... until the internet brought them back together.

And to what Hayabusa is saying, this poisoned national dialog is a result of this sort of mix between oil and water. There are perspectives carried forth that are just plain backwards and based in stigmas and mythos, not objective reality. These poor ideas could exist in the shadows and we left them alone to rot and fester. But now the disease has spread and we must deal with the problem that many Americans have trouble distinguishing fact from fiction. And the narrative behind fiction is stronger than ever.

Thankfully, so are our tools to educate. Between the bouts of aggression and antagonism, the internet provides an easy way to share truths with people. To help guide them back towards objective reality and uncuff them from the primitive culture from whence they were born. It's not going to be easy to assimilate them, much of the enlightenment left these folks behind, but as part of our Democracy it is our solemn duty to do what we can to help them.

 

[SlowSpyder]

nah, you're just a troll. A bit more eloquent than most, but still a troll. And you try to spread bullshit by making it appear as tactile situations you've gone through. Hence, bullshit, troll.
Want proof you're nothing but a troll? See your sig.

You consistently add zero to the conversation while flinging mud. I am pro-Trump these days, wasn't always, but am now. Get over it. I am not a troll, I've been posting here for many years, though I have generally read P&N more than posted. But, the anti-2A posts here got me started, now here I am.

 

[fskimospy]

Appreciate your thoughtful response, even if I disagree with a good portion of it.

I bolded part that stands out to me. I think this is projection, that the right / cons embrace old values we want to turn from. Today I think the left is the more racist side. The left injects race constantly, often when it doesn't belong. The left pushes for policies where racism is institutionalized against white people, particularly males. I myself have quite literally been told I did not get the job because I am a white male and more diversity was needed and requested from execs. This has literally happened to me in the past. The left celebrates this.

If that actually happened to you then you could have immediately sued them. Thank you for explicitly validating my previous criticism of you by whining about how everything is biased against you though.

 

[brycejones]

You consistently add zero to the conversation while flinging mud. I am pro-Trump these days, wasn't always, but am now. Get over it. I am not a troll, I've been posting here for many years, though I have generally read P&N more than posted. But, the anti-2A posts here got me started, now here I am.

I'm sorry we can't discuss your victimhood until we've resolved world hunger. Why don't you care about the children?

 

[Jaskalas]

If that actually happened to you then you could have immediately sued them. Thank you for explicitly validating my previous criticism of you by whining about how everything is biased against you though.

You wouldn't deny racism being real, would you? I have no reason to doubt that it negatively affected him.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You consistently add zero to the conversation while flinging mud. I am pro-Trump these days, wasn't always, but am now. Get over it. I am not a troll, I've been posting here for many years, though I have generally read P&N more than posted. But, the anti-2A posts here got me started, now here I am.

Yea troll, sure. You are here to troll, and nothing more. Again, see your sig.

 

[fskimospy]

You wouldn't deny racism being real, would you? I have no reason to doubt that it negatively affected him.

I have no doubt that racism is real. I also have little doubt that in the aggregate whites are net beneficiaries of racism, even if they are negatively affected in some circumstances. (the empirical research strongly indicates this is true)

As to his specific story about how he told he was denied a job so that they could hire someone nonwhite, it's probably bullshit. SlowSpyder doesn't exactly seem to be the world's most honest person to begin with and, more importantly, any company large enough and aware enough to have an explicit diversity program would presumably have an HR department smart enough not to open the company to massive liability by telling applicants they won't be hired because of their race.

 

[Jaskalas]

I have no doubt that racism is real. I also have little doubt that in the aggregate whites are net beneficiaries of racism, even if they are negatively affected in some circumstances. (the empirical research strongly indicates this is true)

Individuals do not care about the aggregate. What matters is their personal experience. In this rat race to survive by scurrying up the economic ladder, have they been denied (harmed) because of quotas? That's a line that, once crossed, one does not easily come back from thinking Democrats are anything short of an existential threat.

As we are all aware, being judged by the color of one's skin is the express lane towards raw, seething, hatred. It goes both ways.

Ironically, if Democrats achieved enough to reshape the economy, to provide universal benefits, this conflict over affirmative action would be diffused on both sides. It wouldn't feel necessary, nor would much harm come from it. My point being, in terms of priority, we can do better to focus on things that bring people together.

 

[SlowSpyder]

If that actually happened to you then you could have immediately sued them. Thank you for explicitly validating my previous criticism of you by whining about how everything is biased against you though.

I was a contractor, worked with other contractors, some of which were women. An exec asked our director why the only actual employees were males. Then, two open headcount were created, we all applied. I was easily more qualified than one of the women, if not both. The two women got the position. I asked the hiring manager about it, and he told me this was exactly what happened. This was all about ~13 years ago, I'm still good friends with one of the women. She told me she heard through the grapevine the exact same story I was told directly. You can discount my real life experiences all you want, but this IS reality.

Can you imagine this exact same situation happening in favor of a male or white person?

The video I posted right below for Jhhnn really sums things up, I'd encourage you to have a look.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Gawd. You asserted the screed of white victimhood as fact when it's anything but. Your perception of white people as victims of the system is laughable.

Please watch this short video. I agree 100% with Milo here. It sums up my feelings quite well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxTVBcFY4m8

 

[fskimospy]

I was a contractor, worked with other contractors, some of which were women. An exec asked our director why the only actual employees were males. Then, two open headcount were created, we all applied. I was easily more qualified than one of the women, if not both. The two women got the position. I asked the hiring manager about it, and he told me this was exactly what happened. This was all about ~13 years ago, I'm still good friends with one of the women. She told me she heard through the grapevine the exact same story I was told directly. You can discount my real life experiences all you want, but this IS reality.

If the hiring manager told you that then they should have been fired and you should have sued them or received a settlement. Easy peasy. I find it unlikely that any company was so colossally stupid as to open themselves to massive liability in that way, but I guess there are stupid people in the world so here we are.

Regardless, reality is that for the average person being white and male is a significant workplace advantage and the empirical evidence clearly shows this. Let me guess though, those are 'high level statistics' that don't count.

 

[mect]

Appreciate your thoughtful response, even if I disagree with a good portion of it.

I bolded part that stands out to me. I think this is projection, that the right / cons embrace old values we want to turn from. Today I think the left is the more racist side. The left injects race constantly, often when it doesn't belong. The left pushes for policies where racism is institutionalized against white people, particularly males. I myself have quite literally been told I did not get the job because I am a white male and more diversity was needed and requested from execs. This has literally happened to me in the past. The left celebrates this.

And yet studies (not anecdotes) find that a person with a black sounding name is less likely to be hired than someone with a white sounding name with a felony. Blacks are pulled over by police officers for no other reason than being black. They suffer unwarranted police brutality because of the color of their skin, but protest, and they're anti-american and disrespecting our troops. But its clearly the white people that are oppressed. This is the problem with white conservatives. They take the single incident in their lives where their race worked against them, and think that they are the ones truly oppressed, ignoring the mountains of research of the biases of society against minorities. If you like anecdotes, here's an interesting read.

http://www.lovedawn.com/what-its-been-like-raise-black-child-white-world/

 

[Thebobo]

Crying? I'm celebrating. America chose wisely, and the unwise are struggling with that.

Still waiting.

 

[SlowSpyder]

If the hiring manager told you that then they should have been fired and you should have sued them or received a settlement. Easy peasy. I find it unlikely that any company was so colossally stupid as to open themselves to massive liability in that way, but I guess there are stupid people in the world so here we are.

Regardless, reality is that for the average person being white and male is a significant workplace advantage and the empirical evidence clearly shows this. Let me guess though, those are 'high level statistics' that don't count.

Want to know something else? The hiring manager was a really good guy, and he was a Muslim (moderate guy, took his kids to see Santa as an example). And again, this is a 100% true story.

I've read and watch videos on both sides of this argument, today I feel the white male has the most hurdles to jump to get a job, the white male is the only class that institutional racism against him is not only allowed, but celebrated often.

Did you watch the video I posted?