The slippery slope (RE:Ten Commandment Monuments)

[PaperclipGod]

Originally posted by: miguel

Originally posted by: Zebo
The ACLU suports the constitutional rights we were lucky enough to be given. They don't care if it's the KKK or the Black Panthers (which they have defended both in free-speech cases before the federal courts). Good org which takes flack from authoritarians.

The ACLU also supports NAMBLA. They would follow the "letter of the law" if it meant cutting off your own hands. They should focus on correcting the laws to make groups like NAMBLA illegal instead of spending donated money supporting their right to rape children.

If you dont like freedom of speech, feel free to move to China.

 

[miguel]

Originally posted by: Whitling
Miguel, get and watch "A Man for All Seasons." It's about Sir Thomas Moore. He stayed silent on Henry VIII's right to remarry. He was beheaded for it. This was near the start of the Protestant Reformation and Europe was racked by religious wars. Thomas was deeply Catholic. His soon to be son in law wants to set aside the laws that protect Englishmen so he can get the "heretics. Thomas tells him that if he cuts down (ignores) all the laws in England to get at the devil, when those laws have been cut down, the devil will turn and take him. I'm not a big NAMBLA fan. But I do support their right to peacefully advocate reform of the generational sex laws. I don't support the change, but I support their right to urge it. Incidentally, I don't know what your experience with gay people is but many of the males know they are gay by the time they're 12 and want to engage in sex.

Before you wig out and fly off the handle (he said, mixing metaphors). Please note that I am not for abolishing the sex / age limit laws although they are certainly stupid in some respects. Remember whey you were 16?

This movie won a bunch of Oscars in 1966 -- but there are no car chase scenes.

Was that car chase thing a jab at me? So, I take you would defend someone's right child porn as well? There has to be some kind of common ground where even people like you will say "enough is enough". Jeeez. You must be the kind of person that stands there preaching to greiving parents about the "rights of the defendant" and force them to say "alleged" when a guy who just killed their daughter and was caught with her bloody head goes to court. No, I don't that movie won Oscars, but I'm sure it had car chase scenes.

 

[Zebo]

I wonder why they don't offer free help to other organizations, like the NRA? Or do they?

ACLU dwarfs NRA both in membership and endowment so NRA don't need any help. While I disagree with ACLU second amendment position (which they never activly promote though the courts) I think preserving the rest of these rights is equally important so I continue my meager support of them. I also support NRA..you can find various threads in thier defense from me..they don't go far enough IMO..but I'll take what I can get.

 

[miguel]

Originally posted by: Zebo

I wonder why they don't offer free help to other organizations, like the NRA? Or do they?

ACLU dwarfs NRA both in membership and endowment so NRA don't need any help. While I disagree with ACLU second amendment position (which they never activly promote though the courts) I think preserving the rest of these rights is equally important so I continue my meager support of them. I also support NRA..you can find various threads in thier defense from me..they don't go far enough IMO..but I'll take what I can get.

I hope you understand that I do too (support preserving rights), but I hope you can understand why NAMBLA is going too far. I've scanned through the aclu web site, but I haven't found reference to defending those that can't afford it. I mean, if someone sues the NRA because someone killed someone else with a gun, it would seem logical that the ACLU, if they are truly defenders of the constitution, assist to make sure the lawsuit gets dismissed, no?

 

[miguel]

Damn, I just realized I hijacked another thread. Sorry.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: miguel

Originally posted by: Zebo

I wonder why they don't offer free help to other organizations, like the NRA? Or do they?

ACLU dwarfs NRA both in membership and endowment so NRA don't need any help. While I disagree with ACLU second amendment position (which they never activly promote though the courts) I think preserving the rest of these rights is equally important so I continue my meager support of them. I also support NRA..you can find various threads in thier defense from me..they don't go far enough IMO..but I'll take what I can get.

I hope you understand that I do too (support preserving rights), but I hope you can understand why NAMBLA is going too far. I've scanned through the aclu web site, but I haven't found reference to defending those that can't afford it. I mean, if someone sues the NRA because someone killed someone else with a gun, it would seem logical that the ACLU, if they are truly defenders of the constitution, assist to make sure the lawsuit gets dismissed, no?

Ya, they loose lots of members that way. When they defended the Klan right to burn crosses liberals left in droves because they felt ACLU was supporting the Klan instead of looking at the bigger picture which was free speech.

Also, they would not have defended nambla if thier site had advocated crimminal behavoir. (this luring young boys refernce I have yet to see linked?), but the bigger picture here is freedom of speech again, which is advocating overthrow of age limits for sex.

While I find both groups discusting having three young children and being a devote follower of inclusion these actions by the perps are protected by the Bill of Rights. To loosen the standard is to no longer have freedom this country is known for and fled to from around the globe.

Has anyone sued NRA?

 

[Witling]

I'm pretty sure that the NRA has been sued. I'm not sure in what capacity. Individual gun manufacturers have been sued as being responsible for the harm inflicted by the gun. These suits have so far been unsuccessful.