The Science of Trump Voter Hate

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Trumpsters seem to wear that as a badge of honor & act accordingly. His election was an expression of spite more than anything else.
It wasn't spite, it was more about the failure of identity liberalism imo. The common perception in middle America (aka "flyover country") was that the liberal tent wasn't big enough to include the white middle class and evangelicals.
 

Moonbeam

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So, hating on people won't cause them to hate you back?
Hehe, it's really that simple. We hate what we fear and thus create what we fear. I have made this point a million times but who wants to know he or she is personally responsible for the creation of evil.

All hate is self hate. Nobody will come within a thousand miles of feeling that feeling. So round and round we go grinding ourselves to a pulp.
 

WHAMPOM

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Live science published this article, which I think accurately describes the scientific underpinnings and consequences of Trump voters' hatred of Muslims and Mexican immigrants. Here is the paragraph that stood out to me:



I have stated this before, but I think it needs to be stated again: This, the paragraph above, is the whole point! By dehumanizing and denigrating Muslims and Mexican immigrants, Trump is stoking the flames of future violent resistance. He want them to fight back, so he can justify further abuses of power. The question is, will this work? Can he convince 35% of the population (or more) to be so afraid and angry at Muslims that they will approve of any authoritarian measures he enacts, and can he use that hatred to increase that percentage? I hope not, but I am concerned that this article basically says that this strategy has scientific underpinnings, and is not as foolish as it would appear.


http://www.livescience.com/58154-how-dehumanization-leads-to-vicious-cycle-of-hate.html
Preaching hate and inventing a despicable enemy has long been part of the foundation of politics. Telling slick lies the public will swallow whole gets more bastards elected then honest truth.
 

dank69

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Err, yes? Isn't it obvious?
Justoh: Labeling every car a Honda is stupid.
Response: Nobody is labeling every car as a Honda.
Justoh: So no cars are Hondas?
Response: So saying nobody labeled all cars as Hondas is the same as saying no cars are Hondas?
Justoh: Yes, according to patented Justoh logic.
 

Moonbeam

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If not "hating" illegal immigrants requires me to accept them breaking immigration law otherwise I'm "dehumanizing" then so be it. I guess I "hate" them the same way progressives then "hate" the rich and dehumanize them for being "greedy" or "causing the 2009 financial crisis."
This makes as much sense as you trying to whistle underwater. I don't accept illegals breaking the law but I understand why they do and I don't need to hate them or not hate them for that reason. The purpose of the law is to provide as much justice and fairness as possible to a situation where more people want to enter the country than is acceptable for the health of the nation according to those who make the law. People are selfish and care more about themselves than the general welfare. Hating lawbreakers for their actions instead of working to insure they can't get away with being selfish is the way low grade individuals excuse their disgusting need to hate. Labeling them as potential Democratic voters is another way.

If you think hatred for the crimes of some poor sap who was born where there's no hope for his family is equivalent to the crimes of the wealthy in their endless need for more and more when they already have so much, then have at it. Just know it makes you look like a really low grade individual to me.
 

Moonbeam

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Justoh: Labeling every car a Honda is stupid.
Response: Nobody is labeling every car as a Honda.
Justoh: So no cars are Hondas?
Response: So saying nobody labeled all cars as Hondas is the same as saying no cars are Hondas?
Justoh: Yes, according to patented Justoh logic.
He gives the expression D'oh! a whole new meaning.
 

Jhhnn

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It wasn't spite, it was more about the failure of identity liberalism imo. The common perception in middle America (aka "flyover country") was that the liberal tent wasn't big enough to include the white middle class and evangelicals.

I thought it was misdirected resentment over the Jerb Creators dumping them. And the usual culture war bullshit as well. You know- the Real Mericuh & all that.

It doesn't explain the fuck you attitudes or the love of liberal tears, either. This graph explains just how irrational Trump voters really are-

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MINA

Blame the Democrats, obviously.
 

justoh

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Maybe less time studying lesbian dance theory and more time on basic logic? Regressives are so sure about themselves, even (especially) when they're wrong. Maybe instead of mindless negativity, google how negations work?
 

Moonbeam

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Yeh, but he has money so he really doesn't give a fuck.
I don't think the problem is money. I think the problem is he can't give a fuck because the people that mattered didn't really give a fuck about him. A lot of people turn into real shits in life just to get even with their parents. What is sad is that it's so unnecessary. If he has money and earned it himself, all that means is that he has real capacity and he can't see that his feelings of worthlessness are totally unfounded. And he can't make the connection and heal because he believes he's worthless on an unconscious emotional level. He should take some of that money and see a psychiatrist who understands these things if there are any.
 
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Interesting the contrast between responses/reactions to this so-called "dehumanization."

Mexicans would go so far as spitting in Trump's face or boycotting his business, yet muslims (predictably) support violence. I know some regressive will likely point out that spitting in someone's face is a form of violence, completely missing the point. Oh liberals, never change.

Keep tossing that straw bunky.
 

dank69

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Maybe less time studying lesbian dance theory and more time on basic logic? Regressives are so sure about themselves, even (especially) when they're wrong. Maybe instead of mindless negativity, google how negations work?
Saying all progressives do not understand negations is stupid.
 

Blackjack200

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You mean like labelling everyone who disagrees with you a deplorable? Never seen such hatred in the history of humanity (with a few possible exceptions, depending on how you analyze motive and intent) as that directed towards conservatives presently.

Wow, get off the cross Jesus. Conservatives are the biggest fucking crybabies. What hatred?
 

woolfe9998

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Live science published this article, which I think accurately describes the scientific underpinnings and consequences of Trump voters' hatred of Muslims and Mexican immigrants. Here is the paragraph that stood out to me:



I have stated this before, but I think it needs to be stated again: This, the paragraph above, is the whole point! By dehumanizing and denigrating Muslims and Mexican immigrants, Trump is stoking the flames of future violent resistance. He want them to fight back, so he can justify further abuses of power. The question is, will this work? Can he convince 35% of the population (or more) to be so afraid and angry at Muslims that they will approve of any authoritarian measures he enacts, and can he use that hatred to increase that percentage? I hope not, but I am concerned that this article basically says that this strategy has scientific underpinnings, and is not as foolish as it would appear.


http://www.livescience.com/58154-how-dehumanization-leads-to-vicious-cycle-of-hate.html

Deja vu. In 1940, the Nazis forced Jews into Polish ghettos, where they lived in filth, disease and famine. The Nazis took films of Jews living this way, then showed the films to Germans back home, saying, see, this is how the filthy Jews live. The propaganda film "Der Ewige Juden" is the best known example.

While the consequences of this dehumanization of Muslims are not likely to be anywhere near what happened to the Jews under Nazi rule, the premise is exactly the same as the logic of your article. De-humanization of an out group is a vicious cycle that feeds on itself.
 
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Moonbeam

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I don't think the problem is money. I think the problem is he can't give a fuck because the people that mattered didn't really give a fuck about him. A lot of people turn into real shits in life just to get even with their parents. What is sad is that it's so unnecessary. If he has money and earned it himself, all that means is that he has real capacity and he can't see that his feelings of worthlessness are totally unfounded. And he can't make the connection and heal because he believes he's worthless on an unconscious emotional level. He should take some of that money and see a psychiatrist who understands these things if there are any.
Maybe less time studying lesbian dance theory and more time on basic logic? Regressives are so sure about themselves, even (especially) when they're wrong. Maybe instead of mindless negativity, google how negations work?
What a small minded worm.
 

Moonbeam

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Wow, get off the cross Jesus. Conservatives are the biggest fucking crybabies. What hatred?
Mine, for example. That miserable bastard earns contempt by expressing how contemptible he is every chance he can. He has a need to be hatefulness oozes from his pores. He's like a turd in a bowl of sugar. He needs to turn people's stomachs. He's the sort of person who needs others to feel his contempt for himself. His victimization is a self fulfilling prophesy. He shows his ass to people and says kick me. Like every other filthy bully he earns his kick in the balls. He'll feel much better now. He can wonder off now nursing his boo boo and complaining how mean people are.
 

agent00f

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It's simply a fact that conservative virtues like getting together to subjugate lower status ethnics are contemptible by western liberal standards.
 

Moonbeam

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It's simply a fact that conservative virtues like getting together to subjugate lower status ethnics are contemptible by western liberal standards.
The only claim western liberal standards have on that fact is derived from empathy of which western liberalism has no exclusive claim. Some dirt poor farmer in Uganda may feel the same. The quality of mercy is not strained....
 

agent00f

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The only claim western liberal standards have on that fact is derived from empathy of which western liberalism has no exclusive claim. Some dirt poor farmer in Uganda may feel the same. The quality of mercy is not strained....

Western liberalism is largely responsible for its universal humanist application, a la categorical imperative et al.
 

justoh

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On the bright side, Devos can't exactly make the education system in the US any worse. Maybe if you just insist that everyone isn't devos, she'll vanish in a poof of logic.
 

Blue_Max

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You know, all the REASONS the non-progressives may be against illegal and mass islamic immigration have been given. Repeatedly.

As usual, the leftists' reply is "You're just evil. Why all the hate?"

*sigh* We can keep repeating the reasons but when will the leftists ever listen to them instead of erasing the answer and putting in their own?