The Schwartz Speaks

[piasabird]

Schwarzenegger: Immigration policy too lax

In a press meeting Gov Schwarzenegger started talking about having a Closed border with Mexico. This is sure to raise a few eyebrows.

Maybe he wants to build the "Great Wall of Schwartz" along the southern border of California.

I think we need to start making more secure Social Security Cards. They should at least have a picture on them.

Of course it has been said that the Girly Man Doll Sales are on the rise.

I think the deal is that Gov Schwarz... wants the US Federal Govt to start footing the bill for a more secure border.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Well if he's serious, he's also RIGHT. We need to CLOSE the border down and stop letting in the MILLIONS of illegal aliens who cross our border every year. This is not to say we should stop all immigration, just ILLEGAL immigration. We should also get our police, FBI and Immigration Enforcement personnel busy rounding up illegals who are already here and DEPORT them. I have no problem with people wanting to come here from scuzzhole countries like Mexico to make a better life for themselves and their families, but goddammit they need to do it the LEGAL and LEGITIMATE way. Anything else is a slap in the face to those who DO go through the process.

Also, all these goddamn REPUBLICANS who are trying to pass every freaking AMNESTY bill that comes their way need to pull their heads out of their asses and PROTECT OUR BORDERS.

Jason

 

[Gravity]

We'll see. Sounds like posturing to me.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Gravity
We'll see. Sounds like posturing to me.

Possibly. He didn't have the balls to maintain his position against these Unions bastards who're RAPING California, so I doubt he'll hold the line here.

Jason

 

[conjur]

It's going to take a different administration to do something about the number illegals crossing the border. As long as there is a pro-business administration in control, nothing will be done about it, no matter the security risks nor the social welfare costs.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: conjur
It's going to take a different administration to do something about the number illegals crossing the border. As long as there is a pro-business administration in control, nothing will be done about it, no matter the security risks nor the social welfare costs.

I think your right. This may turn into a major issue at the next presidenial election, becuase Bush certainly isn't going to do anything about it. Awwnold is definetly posturing.

 

[Trevelyan]

What does posturing mean?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Trevelyan
What does posturing mean?

Fluffing one's self up...making one's self look good to voters, usually preceding an anticipated run for re-election or higher office.

 

[Trevelyan]

Ah, I see, ok thanks.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Trevelyan
What does posturing mean?

Doing everthing you can to make yourself look to be the right guy, in the right place, at the right time?? That's the way I would define it as it relates to polotics.

Edit:

As Conjur said, they do it in anticipation fo a run for office. All politicains do it, but some are better at it then others.

 

[complacent]

Anyone living near the Mexico border knows how big of a problem it is. Illegals come over the border during the day, perform illegal activites, and escape back to Mexico. In Phoenix and Tucson there is a big problem with illegals coming over here, getting into car accidents, and then going back across the border. I am tired of footing the bill for mexican whores who get knocked up and give birth in America so they can become citizens. What should we do? Well, I think the vigilante border patrol with their rifles are doing a great job.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: complacent
Anyone living near the Mexico border knows how big of a problem it is. Illegals come over the border during the day, perform illegal activites, and escape back to Mexico. In Phoenix and Tucson there is a big problem with illegals coming over here, getting into car accidents, and then going back across the border. I am tired of footing the bill for mexican whores who get knocked up and give birth in America so they can become citizens. What should we do? Well, I think the vigilante border patrol with their rifles are doing a great job.

Yeah, murdering people is a perfectly rational attempt in lowering your taxes and insurance. :roll:

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: complacent
Anyone living near the Mexico border knows how big of a problem it is. Illegals come over the border during the day, perform illegal activites, and escape back to Mexico. In Phoenix and Tucson there is a big problem with illegals coming over here, getting into car accidents, and then going back across the border. I am tired of footing the bill for mexican whores who get knocked up and give birth in America so they can become citizens. What should we do? Well, I think the vigilante border patrol with their rifles are doing a great job.

I would have to agree. It's sad that the goverment won't do their job, I mean we have spent all this money to prevent terrorism, but a terrorist wouldn't have very little, if any problem crossing the US/Mexico border.

Of course there are all the other problems (and more) that you mention.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: complacent
Anyone living near the Mexico border knows how big of a problem it is. Illegals come over the border during the day, perform illegal activites, and escape back to Mexico. In Phoenix and Tucson there is a big problem with illegals coming over here, getting into car accidents, and then going back across the border. I am tired of footing the bill for mexican whores who get knocked up and give birth in America so they can become citizens. What should we do? Well, I think the vigilante border patrol with their rifles are doing a great job.

Yeah, murdering people is a perfectly rational attempt in lowering your taxes and insurance. :roll:

I'm not aware of any being murdered? I thought they were detaining them and turning them over to the under-staffed boarder patrol.

What would you do, put out watering staions and trail maps?

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: conjur
It's going to take a different administration to do something about the number illegals crossing the border. As long as there is a pro-business administration in control, nothing will be done about it, no matter the security risks nor the social welfare costs.

You reflect conventional wisdom, but you're wrong, as is conventional wisdom. It has nothing to do with being "Pro-business", it has to do with being "pro business at any cost, including ethics and disregard of the law".

Being "Pro-business" is SMART. When businesses thrive, EVERYONE thrives and opportunities are increased greatly. The problem we have right now is that there is NO ENFORCEMENT of our existing immigration laws, and Bush, the Republicans, AND the Democrats are so fvcking SCARED of the "You're racist!" chanting crowds of morons that they won't do a thing to stop this INVASION of our country.

Make no mistake: Mexico is INVADING America, their government not only consents and condones but ENCOURAGES and HELPS Mexicans to illegally cross into the United States, knowing full well that many undesireables, including possibly Al Quaeda members, are coming right along with them.

What we need right now are to get RID of Republicans and Democrats and get someone who is actually PRINCIPLED enough to tell the lobbies and the whining, pathetic 'let everyone in freely" liberal crowd to sit down and shut the fvck up.

Jason

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: complacent
Anyone living near the Mexico border knows how big of a problem it is. Illegals come over the border during the day, perform illegal activites, and escape back to Mexico. In Phoenix and Tucson there is a big problem with illegals coming over here, getting into car accidents, and then going back across the border. I am tired of footing the bill for mexican whores who get knocked up and give birth in America so they can become citizens. What should we do? Well, I think the vigilante border patrol with their rifles are doing a great job.

Yeah, murdering people is a perfectly rational attempt in lowering your taxes and insurance. :roll:

A. The minutemen have behaved so far like PERFECT gentlemen and haven't fired ONE shot.

B. If they DID fire a shot, it's not murder to defend your country from FOREIGN INVADERS.

C. The minutemen are doing a great job and should be a shining example to all Americans. Bush, the Republicans and the Democrats should be ASHAMED of themselves and booed out of office for their REFUSAL to do the job they are hired to do, leaving ordinary citizens NO CHOICE but to take up the cause themselves.

Jason

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: complacent
Anyone living near the Mexico border knows how big of a problem it is. Illegals come over the border during the day, perform illegal activites, and escape back to Mexico. In Phoenix and Tucson there is a big problem with illegals coming over here, getting into car accidents, and then going back across the border. I am tired of footing the bill for mexican whores who get knocked up and give birth in America so they can become citizens. What should we do? Well, I think the vigilante border patrol with their rifles are doing a great job.

Yeah, murdering people is a perfectly rational attempt in lowering your taxes and insurance. :roll:

I'm not aware of any being murdered? I thought they were detaining them and turning them over to the under-staffed boarder patrol.

What would you do, put out watering staions and trail maps?

They also haven't detained ANYONE. They've called and reported them--PERIOD.

Jason

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: complacent
Anyone living near the Mexico border knows how big of a problem it is. Illegals come over the border during the day, perform illegal activites, and escape back to Mexico. In Phoenix and Tucson there is a big problem with illegals coming over here, getting into car accidents, and then going back across the border. I am tired of footing the bill for mexican whores who get knocked up and give birth in America so they can become citizens. What should we do? Well, I think the vigilante border patrol with their rifles are doing a great job.

Yeah, murdering people is a perfectly rational attempt in lowering your taxes and insurance. :roll:

I'm not aware of any being murdered? I thought they were detaining them and turning them over to the under-staffed boarder patrol.

What would you do, put out watering staions and trail maps?

No, cookies and chocolate milk. :roll:

Having unaccountable civilians with weapons attempting to perform government enforcement duties is a recipe for disaster. If you can't see the potential problems with that, you're blind. This "solution" is 10x worse than any problem that it attempts to address.

Is border security an important issue? Yes. Does it need work? Yes. Do we need local yokels with their hunting rifles voluntarily guarding our borders for us? No.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

A. The minutemen have behaved so far like PERFECT gentlemen and haven't fired ONE shot.

That's good. What happens when they do? What happens when they kill some 8-year-old and his mommy? Who will take the responsibilty? Will the vigilantee be tried or will he have governmental immunity?

B. If they DID fire a shot, it's not murder to defend your country from FOREIGN INVADERS.

That's a bit of a stretch, in my opinion.

C. The minutemen are doing a great job and should be a shining example to all Americans. Bush, the Republicans and the Democrats should be ASHAMED of themselves and booed out of office for their REFUSAL to do the job they are hired to do, leaving ordinary citizens NO CHOICE but to take up the cause themselves.

Debatable. Yes, border security is not being handled effectively. Yes, someone should be help accountable for that. No, ordinarly citizens should not be responsible for this.

If they are only reporting them, then why carry weapons? Are the illegal immigrants coming over armed?

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

A. The minutemen have behaved so far like PERFECT gentlemen and haven't fired ONE shot.

That's good. What happens when they do? What happens when they kill some 8-year-old and his mommy? Who will take the responsibilty? Will the vigilantee be tried or will he have governmental immunity?

B. If they DID fire a shot, it's not murder to defend your country from FOREIGN INVADERS.

That's a bit of a stretch, in my opinion.

C. The minutemen are doing a great job and should be a shining example to all Americans. Bush, the Republicans and the Democrats should be ASHAMED of themselves and booed out of office for their REFUSAL to do the job they are hired to do, leaving ordinary citizens NO CHOICE but to take up the cause themselves.

Debatable. Yes, border security is not being handled effectively. Yes, someone should be help accountable for that. No, ordinarly citizens should not be responsible for this.

If they are only reporting them, then why carry weapons? Are the illegal immigrants coming over armed?

A. Obviously if one of them does something illegal he will be tried just like any other person would. I don't think that needs saying, you should just "get" that. He obviously wouldn't have immunity since Bush himself doesn't approve of these guys!

B. Oh yes? So we should just let the foreign invaders come in unchecked, yes? We have no right to defend our land, our nation, our posessions, our loved ones? Yet they have the right to come in whenever they please, in defiance of the law, to work, to kill, to steal or whatever, with immunity?

C. SOME of them carry weapons as a matter of defense. According to all reports, MOST do not carry anything more than a cell phone and a 2 way radio. Do the illegal immigrants come with weapons? Well let's see, we know for a fact now that Mexican DRUG RUNNERS come across ARMED to the teeth on a regular basis. AMERICAN CITIZENS who live in the border areas are TERRIFIED day and night by illegal alien and drug runner activity that the government REFUSES to address or stop. One of the minutemen reported that his reason for being there was that his son, who had just returned from Iraq, was ROBBED AT GUNPOINT by illegals near the border, who STOLE HIS CAR and took off. So the answer is that YES, many of them DO come over armed, and not only armed but with the intention of committing CRIMES.

Furthermore, when the Government REFUSES to do its job, the authority to do so remains WITH THE PEOPLE. Do try to remember that the government does NOT own all authority, it owns only what authority is delegated to it BY THE PEOPLE, and ALL other rights and responsibilities are retained BY THE PEOPLE. The minutemen have EVERY right to be there, EVERY right to patrol the border and EVERY right to report illegal activity to the appropriate authorities.

Jason

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: conjur
It's going to take a different administration to do something about the number illegals crossing the border. As long as there is a pro-business administration in control, nothing will be done about it, no matter the security risks nor the social welfare costs.

Unfortunately I think it is going to take more than that. Neither party wants to fix the problem.

Honestly I think the only way it gets fixed is when some terrorists slip through and detonate a WMD in a major metro area killing thousands or more.

At that point either they take the situation and fix it or I see a cival war brewing.

 

[Spencer278]

If they are only reporting them, then why carry weapons? Are the illegal immigrants coming over armed?

Didn't know your were a gun grabbing liberal.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: conjur
It's going to take a different administration to do something about the number illegals crossing the border. As long as there is a pro-business administration in control, nothing will be done about it, no matter the security risks nor the social welfare costs.

Unfortunately I think it is going to take more than that. Neither party wants to fix the problem.

Honestly I think the only way it gets fixed is when some terrorists slip through and detonate a WMD in a major metro area killing thousands or more.

At that point either they take the situation and fix it or I see a civil war brewing.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if it happens. Watch an Al Quaeda sneak in through the border with a nuke and level Los Angeles, killing millions, thousands instantly and millions of others slowly and painfully through radiation poisoning.

Democrats and Republicans are clearly much too cowardly to address the problem, thus illustrating yet again that their concern is NOT with the best interests of America and its citizens, but with keeping their sorry asses in POWER.

Jason

 

[drewshin]

I hope we allow anyone who wants to come here and work the opportunity to do so.
I like the President's and McCain's idea of work permits, it seems to me that would pretty much solve everything.

It's not their fault of Mexicans immigrants if their government gave them a raw deal with NAFTA. Hopefully, Obrador, who is in favor of renegotiating the terms of NAFTA with the US is allowed to run and elected. This would give better paying jobs for Mexicans and more reason for them to stay. (maybe it's only a conspiracy theory, but i think it was a silent deal between our government and the mexican government to provide cheap labor for american companies and low prices for american consumers, and in return let immigrants freely enter our country...because otherwise i dont understaned what mexico gets out of nafta except for factory workers making $5 a day just two miles from the u.s. border)

It's funny how every generation has a new immigrant scapegoat for their problems. you had the irish (who were seen as dirty drunks and were very slow to assimilate), the germans/polish (same), italian (seen as dirty and criminal minded), chinese (dirty and criminal minded)....and now you have mexicans. after mexican immigrants get settled down and become part of america, i wonder who'll be next?

 

[Genx87]

It's not their fault of Mexicans immigrants if their government gave them a raw deal with NAFTA.

And it isnt the fault of the United States citizen either.

after mexican immigrants get settled down and become part of america, i wonder who'll be next?

The difference is the Irish mostly came through the legit channels. The millions pouring over the border each year from Mexico are not. Now you have an estimated 13 million people living in this country who are not documented and nobody knows who they are, what they did in Mexico, and if they are dangerous.

Leave your doors unlocked and open at night. The people who come into your home to rest, eat, poop, and take your pocket change are all great people, I mean they really are.

Dangerous situation that will get many people killed one of these days.