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The Scent of Fear -- Mr. Bush's so-called pre-emptive war...

BBond

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The Scent of Fear

By BOB HERBERT

Published: January 10, 2005

The assembly line of carnage in George W. Bush's war in Iraq continues unabated. Nightmares don't last this long, so the death and destruction must be real. You know you're in serious trouble when the politicians and the military brass don't even bother suggesting that there's light at the end of the tunnel. The only thing ahead is a deep and murderous darkness.

With the insurgency becoming both stronger and bolder, and the chances of conducting a legitimate election growing grimmer by the day, a genuine sense of alarm can actually be detected in the reality-resistant hierarchy of the Bush administration.

The unthinkable is getting a tentative purchase in the minds of the staunchest supporters of the war: that under the current circumstances, and given existing troop strengths, the U.S. and its Iraqi allies may not be able to prevail. Military officials are routinely talking about a major U.S. presence in Iraq that will last, at a minimum, into the next decade. That is not what most Americans believed when the Bush crowd so enthusiastically sold this war as a noble adventure that would be short and sweet, and would end with Iraqis tossing garlands of flowers at American troops.

The reality, of course, is that this war is like all wars - fearsomely brutal and tragic. The administration was jolted into the realization of just how badly the war was going by the brazen suicide bombing just a few days before Christmas inside a mess tent of a large and supposedly heavily fortified military base in Mosul. Fourteen American soldiers and four American contractors were among the dead.

Seven American soldiers were killed last Thursday when their Bradley armored personnel carrier hit a roadside bomb in northwestern Baghdad. Two U.S. marines were killed the same day in Anbar.

Brig. Gen. David Rodriguez told reporters at the Pentagon on Friday of an ominous new development in Iraq. "We've noticed in the recent couple of weeks," he said, "that the I.E.D.'s [improvised explosive devices] are all being built more powerfully, with more explosive effort in a smaller number of I.E.D.'s."

Mr. Bush's so-called pre-emptive war, which has already cost so many lives, is being enveloped by the foul and unmistakable odor of failure. That's why the Pentagon is dispatching a retired four-star general, Gary Luck, to Iraq to assess the entire wretched operation. The hope in Washington is that he will pull a rabbit out of a hat. His mission is to review the military's entire Iraq policy, and do it quickly.

I hope, as he is touring the regions in which the U.S. is still using conventional tactics against a guerrilla foe, that he keeps in mind how difficult it is to defeat local insurgencies, and other indigenous forces, as exemplified by such widely varying historical examples as the French experiences in Indochina and Algeria, the American experience in Vietnam, the Israeli experience in Lebanon, and so on.

But even the fortuitously named General Luck will be helpless to straighten anything out in time for the Iraqi elections. The commander of American ground forces in Iraq, Lt. Gen. Thomas Metz, made it clear last week that significant areas of four major provinces, which together contain nearly half the population of the entire country, are not safe enough for people to vote.

"Today I would not be in much shape to hold elections in those provinces," said General Metz.

With the war draining the military of the troops needed for commitments worldwide, the Pentagon is being forced to take extraordinary steps to maintain adequate troop strength. A temporary increase of 30,000 soldiers for the Army, already approved by Congress, will most likely be made permanent. The Pentagon is also considering plans to further change the rules about mobilizing members of the National Guard and Reserve. Right now they cannot be called up for more than 24 months of active service. That limit would be scrapped, which would permit the Army to call them up as frequently as required.

That's not a back-door draft. It's a brutal, in-your-face draft that's unfairly limited to a small segment of the population. It would make a mockery of the idea of an all-volunteer Army.

Something's got to give. The nation's locked in a war that's going badly. The military is strained to the breaking point. And it's looking more and more like the amateur hour in the places that are supposed to provide leadership in perilous times - the Pentagon and the White House.

 
The sky is falling!!!

The usual suspects fret, oblivious to the magnitude and courage of our work. In the heart of the Middle East, where a brutal dictator once stood on the throat of a population, elections are fostering and social change is on the move. Although painful (and not always executed as well as it should), every suicide bomb is a reminder that those uncivilized facists are in a desperate bid to save their own power, and not lose to the Western forces of modernity.

Trouncing on every hardship through their ideological microscope, the usual suspects will continue to focus on one, rotting stump while a forest of hope surrounds them. BBond, I can't wait for your next five googled links...
 
Originally posted by: cwjerome
The sky is falling!!!

The usual suspects fret, oblivious to the magnitude and courage of our work. In the heart of the Middle East, where a brutal dictator once stood on the throat of a population, elections are fostering and social change is on the move. Although painful (and not always executed as well as it should), every suicide bomb is a reminder that those uncivilized facists are in a desperate bid to save their own power, and not lose to the Western forces of modernity.

Trouncing on every hardship through their ideological microscope, the usual suspects will continue to focus on one, rotting stump while a forest of hope surrounds them. BBond, I can't wait for your next five googled links...

The Sky is falling on the U.S. but everyone thrilled to see the fireworks.

 
Originally posted by: cwjerome
The sky is falling!!!

The usual suspects fret, oblivious to the magnitude and courage of our work. In the heart of the Middle East, where a brutal dictator once stood on the throat of a population, elections are fostering and social change is on the move. Although painful (and not always executed as well as it should), every suicide bomb is a reminder that those uncivilized facists are in a desperate bid to save their own power, and not lose to the Western forces of modernity.

Trouncing on every hardship through their ideological microscope, the usual suspects will continue to focus on one, rotting stump while a forest of hope surrounds them. BBond, I can't wait for your next five googled links...

The same thing has been said by NeoCons on these boards with their ears closed screaming "LA LA LA LA. WEAPONS IN SYRIA. SADDAM CAPTURED. IRAQIS LOVE US. LIBRUHL MEDIA IS MISREPRESNTING THE WAR. USING TORTURE DOESNT MATTER." sooo many times. That almost sounded rehearsed.

Even Conservative rags like American Conservative are acknowledging that Iraqi is fvck up. My OWN cousin, got back from Iraq after serving since 2003 has said the situation is WORSE than it looks. Yeah im suppose to believe things are dandy. :roll:

 
Originally posted by: cwjerome
The sky is falling!!!

The usual suspects fret, oblivious to the magnitude and courage of our work. In the heart of the Middle East, where a brutal dictator once stood on the throat of a population, elections are fostering and social change is on the move. Although painful (and not always executed as well as it should), every suicide bomb is a reminder that those uncivilized facists are in a desperate bid to save their own power, and not lose to the Western forces of modernity.

Trouncing on every hardship through their ideological microscope, the usual suspects will continue to focus on one, rotting stump while a forest of hope surrounds them. BBond, I can't wait for your next five googled links...

You have removed the Dictator, but have you removed the Hardship? Not even close.
 
I'm not saying anything is dandy. Put a lotta stuff over there under a microscope, and you'll find plenty of bullsh*t.

However, the looney left continually loose their focus over the details, in meager attempts to win political capital. Just like they were wrong on virtually every major situation during the cold war, history will once again prove them wrong -and petty- in regards to our actions in the Middle East since 9/11.



 
Originally posted by: cwjerome
I'm not saying anything is dandy. Put a lotta stuff over there under a microscope, and you'll find plenty of bullsh*t.

However, the looney left continually loose their focus over the details, in meager attempts to win political capital. Just like they were wrong on virtually every major situation during the cold war, history will once again prove them wrong -and petty- in regards to our actions in the Middle East since 9/11.

There's your problem, you accept the Generalized "Left" as an actual thing. Instead of just believing the Left is always wrong, perhaps you should check into who is actually right(correct).
 
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: cwjerome
The sky is falling!!!

The usual suspects fret, oblivious to the magnitude and courage of our work. In the heart of the Middle East, where a brutal dictator once stood on the throat of a population, elections are fostering and social change is on the move. Although painful (and not always executed as well as it should), every suicide bomb is a reminder that those uncivilized facists are in a desperate bid to save their own power, and not lose to the Western forces of modernity.

Trouncing on every hardship through their ideological microscope, the usual suspects will continue to focus on one, rotting stump while a forest of hope surrounds them. BBond, I can't wait for your next five googled links...

You have removed the Dictator, but have you removed the Hardship? Not even close.

No, and it will be a long time coming. No nation has EVER reached Liberty and achieved the removal of dictatorship and the PSYCHOLOGY that goes along with it without a whole lot of hardship.

This is a war. There IS light at the end of the tunnel, and as long as we REFUSE to be tempted to give up and run like Bill Clinton's military always did, we'll prevail and the world will be a better place for it. It will not come without a lot of sacrifice, that's clear, but it will come.

Nothing worth fighting for is ever easy.

Jason
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
You guys could just request the creation of an "RBH Circle-Jerk" forum for all your op-ed pieces. Just a suggestion.

Or we could continue to post them in Politics and News where they belong.

 
Oh, another piece of the sky just fell...

Party leader assassinated in Iraq

UPI - Sunday, January 09, 2005

BAGHDAD, Jan. 9 (UPI) -- The manager of the Iraqi National Accord party, headed by interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi, was assassinated Sunday near his home in Baghdad.

Sources close to the party said masked gunmen tailed the car of General Jassem al-Obaidi, who was accompanied by his daughter, and riddled him with bullets.

They said his daughter, who was on her way to school, was seriously injured and was reported in critical condition in a Baghdad hospital.

The assassination of al-Obaidi comes three weeks before the general elections and is part of a series of assassinations in Iraq that has killed hundreds of political, security and military officials.

Armed men Saturday abducted Ali Ghaleb, the mayor of the northern Salaheddine province, and Qahtan Hammadi, an aide to the province's governor, in southern Baghdad.

Iraqi security sources said the authorities were still searching for their whereabouts.

Meanwhile, the U.S. military in Iraq said an American soldier was killed when an explosive device blew up during a patrol in a Baghdad street. No further details were provided.

Two Iraqi police were injured by stray bullets from a U.S. military patrol Saturday night after a roadside bomb exploded in southern Baghdad.

 
Still more sky falling...

After Threats, Iraqi Electoral Board Resigns

Head of Commission in Volatile Anbar Province Says Rebels Make Vote Impossible

By Jackie Spinner
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, January 10, 2005; Page A12

BAGHDAD, Jan. 9 -- In another significant blow to Iraq's upcoming elections, the entire 13-member electoral commission in the volatile province of Anbar, west of the capital, resigned after being threatened by insurgents, a regional newspaper reported Sunday.

Saad Abdul-Aziz Rawi, the head of the commission, told the Anbar newspaper that it was "impossible to hold elections" in the province, which is dominated by Sunni Muslims and where insurgent attacks already have prevented voter registration. The province includes the restive cities of Fallujah and Ramadi.

"They are kidding themselves," Rawi said about officials hopeful that the elections, set for Jan. 30, could take place in Anbar.

An Iraqi at the commission's office in Anbar said the members had resigned and had gone into hiding.

Iraqi and U.S. officials have said Sunni participation in the elections is necessary for the vote to be considered legitimate. The largest political party representing Sunnis announced last month that it would drop out of the process, the country's first democratic elections in nearly half a century.

 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
You guys could just request the creation of an "RBH Circle-Jerk" forum for all your op-ed pieces. Just a suggestion.

Or we could continue to post them in Politics and News where they belong.
I'll just write a random anti-Bush propaganda .aspx for you so you don't have to bother copying and pasting anymore. Of course, I'm not sure if it could express your utter bitterness and capture your hopes that Iraq go into a civil war just so Bush looks bad. Maybe you could lend me your expertise in these areas.
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
You guys could just request the creation of an "RBH Circle-Jerk" forum for all your op-ed pieces. Just a suggestion.

Or we could create a pro-life circle-jerk for all the lifenews pieces.

Oh, and I'll give myself the cookie before you do. I wouldn't want to give you that pleasure.

:cookie:
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
You guys could just request the creation of an "RBH Circle-Jerk" forum for all your op-ed pieces. Just a suggestion.

Or we could continue to post them in Politics and News where they belong.
I'll just write a random anti-Bush propaganda .aspx for you so you don't have to bother copying and pasting anymore. Of course, I'm not sure if it could express your utter bitterness and capture your hopes that Iraq go into a civil war just so Bush looks bad. Maybe you could lend me your expertise in these areas.

No need to write your propaganda .aspx. The news coming out of Iraq is more unbelievable than anything you could come up with.

As far as your contention that I am somehow responsible for the dismal state of affairs in Iraq, the blame is completely misplaced. Your boy Bush got us into this mess and he has Iraq on the brink of civil war. He did it all on his own without my expertise but he does have the continuing support of fools to thank.

 
Originally posted by: IndieSnob
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
You guys could just request the creation of an "RBH Circle-Jerk" forum for all your op-ed pieces. Just a suggestion.

Or we could create a pro-life circle-jerk for all the lifenews pieces.

Oh, and I'll give myself the cookie before you do. I wouldn't want to give you that pleasure.

:cookie:
Have I ever posted anything from lifenews? Didn't think so. I haven't seen any op-ed pieces on the subject posted either, just actual news. Of course, if you could make such a distinction, you wouldn't have made that post, so I digress.
Originally posted by: BBond
No need to write your propaganda .aspx. The news coming out of Iraq is more unbelievable than anything you could come up with.

As far as your contention that I am somehow responsible for the dismal state of affairs in Iraq, the blame is completely misplaced. Your boy Bush got us into this mess and he has Iraq on the brink of civil war. He did it all on his own without my expertise but he does have the continuing support of fools to thank.
You don't post news, just op-ed crap. Did I blame the problems in Iraq on you? Didn't think so. I just abhor your hopes for failure in Iraq.
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Did I blame the problems in Iraq on you? Didn't think so. I just abhor your hopes for failure in Iraq.

I don't hope for failure in Iraq. No need to. Bush has achieved it all on his own.

 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Did I blame the problems in Iraq on you? Didn't think so. I just abhor your hopes for failure in Iraq.

I don't hope for failure in Iraq. No need to. Bush has achieved it all on his own.
So, instead of merely hoping, you rejoice in the failure? Even more deplorable.
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Did I blame the problems in Iraq on you? Didn't think so. I just abhor your hopes for failure in Iraq.

I don't hope for failure in Iraq. No need to. Bush has achieved it all on his own.
So, instead of merely hoping, you rejoice in the failure? Even more deplorable.

I rejoice in the fact that since the idea of this fiasco was first floated by the incompetent imbeciles in the Bush administration I have said it would be a disaster of monumental proportions and now I get to say I told you so to every one of you Bush's supporters who even today still refuse to recognize the truth about the lies, the zero planning, and the continued disaster that is Iraq.

When you deal with people who refuse to recognize the mess they've made, it's satisfying to watch as they have their noses shoved into it.

 
Originally posted by: BBond
I rejoice in the fact that since the idea of this fiasco was first floated by the incompetent imbeciles in the Bush administration I have said it would be a disaster of monumental proportions and now I get to say I told you so to every one of you Bush's supporters who even today still refuse to recognize the truth about the lies, the zero planning, and the continued disaster that is Iraq.

When you deal with people who refuse to recognize the mess they've made, it's satisfying to watch as they have their noses shoved into it.
*shakes his head*

Hopefully one day you'll live in the same world as the rest of us and realize that no one benefits by our failing in Iraq.
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: BBond
I rejoice in the fact that since the idea of this fiasco was first floated by the incompetent imbeciles in the Bush administration I have said it would be a disaster of monumental proportions and now I get to say I told you so to every one of you Bush's supporters who even today still refuse to recognize the truth about the lies, the zero planning, and the continued disaster that is Iraq.

When you deal with people who refuse to recognize the mess they've made, it's satisfying to watch as they have their noses shoved into it.
*shakes his head*

Hopefully one day you'll live in the same world as the rest of us and realize that no one benefits by our failing in Iraq.
Wake up and smell the Bush!t. Denying the truth of Dub's failure hurts America. It benefits no one except Dub and his apologists. When you stop denying the truth we will not have to shove your noses in it.


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Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over their own eyes since 1980
 
Originally posted by: cwjerome
I'm not saying anything is dandy. Put a lotta stuff over there under a microscope, and you'll find plenty of bullsh*t.

However, the looney left continually loose their focus over the details, in meager attempts to win political capital. Just like they were wrong on virtually every major situation during the cold war, history will once again prove them wrong -and petty- in regards to our actions in the Middle East since 9/11.

Not so. The right lied about virtually every major situation during the cold war. They kept overstating the USSR's capabilities and intentions to keep money pouring into defense contractors' pockets. It sounds like a socialist wealth transfer scam. Many of the same people are in Dub's administration today.


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Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over America's eyes since 1968
 
Jeez, cwjerome, substitute a few terms here and there, and your first post in this thread could easily be mistaken for stalinist agitprop. The structural/emotive similarities are startling.

I suppose that open discussion of the "Salvador Option" (Death Squads, mass murder) among pundits and officials on the Right doesn't bother you in the least... Kinda like the old "Kill for Jesus!" bit. Nor do the constantly shifting reasons for the initial invasion, total mismanagement of the occupation, ongoing disinformation campaign, not to mention the fiscal irresponsibility of cutting taxes while waging war... Why did we invade? To depose an evil dictator, and to have "free elections", no matter how many have to die to get there, no matter how much tyrannical force is required to reach that objective.

You and millions of others are being manipulated quite successfully by emotional non-sequiters, whether you'd care to recognize it or not...
 
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