There will be an 8c/16t Coffeelake in . . . well sometime in 2018. I think? Probably. On 14nm+++! Lots of plusses. How many can they add? I don't know. But more is better right?
Anyway if you're prepared to deal with a 5 GHz 8c chip heat-wise, there's your chip. I think? My guess is that Pinnacle Ridge will hit 4.2-4.3 GHz on a regular basis, but I'm just guessing.
Dont give up do you? IPC would still be the same, but it would not be considered low because the clockspeed would make up for any deficit in IPC. (i.e. you would have very good SINGLE THREAD PERFORMANCE.)So you're telling me people would be saying IPC is too low if ryzen could get to 6ghz? Didn't think so.
Dont give up do you? IPC would still be the same, but it would not be considered low because the clockspeed would make up for any deficit in IPC. (i.e. you would have very good SINGLE THREAD PERFORMANCE.)
Actually you are looking at the situation totally backwards. IPC of Ryzen is actually quite good, it is the clockspeed that is its weakness.
See I don't care about high fps gaming I care about high quality gaming. I would rather spend the other 60+ FPS in making the game look better. If I played an FPS seriously then I might consider above 60 fps a priority.
I would choose Ryzen if I wanted the smoothest experience and Coffee Lake if I wanted the absolute fastest experience.
You have obviously never gamed at above 60fps. There isn't another factor out there that increases "high quality gaming" as much as nice fluid high fps on an adaptive sync monitor. The more you post the more it seems like you don't know what you're talking about while claiming to be an expert.
You have obviously never gamed at above 60fps. There isn't another factor out there that increases "high quality gaming" as much as nice fluid high fps on an adaptive sync monitor. The more you post the more it seems like you don't know what you're talking about while claiming to be an expert.
You look like you don't know what you are talking about because you continue to misuse the acronym IPC while maintaining you are correct.How don't I know what I am talking about? And when did I say I was an expert? I don't know what I'm talking about because my gaming priorities are different than yours?
And you never had ryzen.
of course your i7 7700K bottleneck GTX 1080TI in some cases, that is natural.
You guys are all about high frequencies... does it actually matter? If you overclock i7 8700K to 5GHz will it give you 25% BOOST OVER 4GHz? Nope it wont. Doesn't matter, you need at least 25% faster low latency memory if you wanna get 25% boost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PWM3nSzjOc&t=52s
I can say that my R7 is faster than that in exactly that map. That i7 8700K is bottlenecking GTX 1080TI.
hrrrs.. it drops below 100fps... poor thing.
Having high frequencies won't make up for having slow ram in most cases.
Yes, that's because the 8/16 CPU represents the new paradigm.
I might add that the reviews are worst case scenario for gaming on the 8700k as well since they almost all use the same memory for the 8700k that they are running on the Ryzen system despite the 8700k having the capacity to go well above 4000mhz and potentially significantly higher as DDR4 modules mature, whereas Ryzen is already tapped out.
None of your post makes any sense and your anecdotal youtube link brings nothing to the table. Here's a link to an actual review, with frame times. I can link plenty more stating the same thing, 8700k is top dog for gaming in Avg FPS, Low FPS, Frame times, etc. Worst case scenario, gaming while streaming, CFL is still on top and smoother than Ryzen.
http://techreport.com/review/32642/intel-core-i7-8700k-cpu-reviewed/10
http://techreport.com/review/32642/intel-core-i7-8700k-cpu-reviewed/11
An OC 8700k stomps an OC Ryzen in the memory dept, frame times and ST performance while coming close in MT metrics for pure throughput. When discussing gaming, Ryzen doesn't win in almost any scenario vs. an 8700k and every review out there shows exactly that. I might add that the reviews are worst case scenario for gaming on the 8700k as well since they almost all use the same memory for the 8700k that they are running on the Ryzen system despite the 8700k having the capacity to go well above 4000mhz and potentially significantly higher as DDR4 modules mature, whereas Ryzen is already tapped out.
I really considered picking up Ryzen or Skylake-X but the drawbacks are simply too numerous for my use case and I didn't want to go backwards from the 7700k I've been using. The 8700k gives me the same ST performance while adding two cores and more cache. Since I upgrade systems (both CPU and GPU) regularly (~18 months), and the cost of doing so yearly is negligible (under $400), I'm not super concerned about not having an upgrade path. I just want the best setup available at the time.
I'll reevaluate next year when the Ryzen revision and CFL 8-core are released but I suspect I'll still be rocking Intel. 2019 looks interesting and I may be tempted to jump back to AMD if they deliver a 5ghz 8-10 core with improved memory controller that surpasses Intel's offerings in gaming.
For friends that have a smaller budget and want to maximize their performance per dollar over time, I've recommended Ryzen and will probably continue to do so.
Lolwut?!maybe in 3 years your OC-ed CPU will be 40-50% slower than stock.
Lolwut?!
Thats why I said "maybe". You cannot predict the future.
Those benchmark are with slow ram speed.
Ryzen is great with faster ram.
Do no tell me about 144Hz performance, I do have 165Hz. Do not play smart ass about CPU upgrade, we did not have competition in years... maybe in 3 years your OC-ed CPU will be 40-50% slower than stock.
You can say anything about it, but this is very impressive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeAy4RiGVZw
Huh? Those benchmarks were run with 3400mhz 15 15 15 35 ram. Yeah, the timings could be a bit tighter but no, it wasn't run with slow memory, in fact the 8700k was technically running slower memory because of the super loose timings and yet still stomped the Ryzen offering.
Coffee Lake performance in gaming and multithreaded applications is pretty compelling, even in the mid-range (i5-8400 vs Ryzen 5 1600) where typically AMD usually undercuts Intel in pricing.