The Ryzen "ThreadRipper"... 16 cores of awesome

[Eric1987]

But that is irrelevant because those games can be ran by a potato. If you cap out your FPS then why would anything matter?

 

[Pick2]

... As for programs, almost everything is ST limited, even web browsing, except for very specific high workload tasks. ...

The '90s just called , they want their ST mindset back.

 

[Topweasel]

With web browsing chrome creates a new process for almost every tab.

 

[Shivansps]

But that is irrelevant because those games can be ran by a potato. If you cap out your FPS then why would anything matter?

They put my 2500K to shame.

 

[Shivansps]

With web browsing chrome creates a new process for almost every tab.

Yes, that means every tab is ST limited.

 

[Eric1987]

They put my 2500K to shame.

Thats on you then. There was nothing my 2500k couldn't handle. My CPU was the last of my bottlenecks. Do you have it underclocked or something? 2500k @ 4.5GHz nothing would cap it out. Mind you I play a lot of MMO's and those made a difference in towns. I play at 4k though so less load on the CPU.

 

[Shivansps]

Thats on you then. There was nothing my 2500k couldn't handle. My CPU was the last of my bottlenecks. Do you have it underclocked or something? 2500k @ 4.5GHz nothing would cap it out.

Nah the problem is they run way too much stuff on 1 core, X3 is just old engine, massive battles just kill every cpu out there, incluiding a 7700K, because everything runs on just 1 core, Stellaris is a new game, still huge battles are played at 5 fps at most.

And Age2HD can have some heavy performance problems with lots of units.

 

[Eric1987]

Nah the problem is they run way too much stuff on 1 core, X3 is just old engine, massive battles just kill every cpu out there, incluiding a 7700K, because everything runs on just 1 core, Stellaris is a new game, still huge battles are played at 5 fps at most.

And Age2HD can have some heavy performance problems with lots of units.

I'll download it tonight and test that theory. I don't think my system will have an issue, though.

 

[maddie]

Nah the problem is they run way too much stuff on 1 core, X3 is just old engine, massive battles just kill every cpu out there, incluiding a 7700K, because everything runs on just 1 core, Stellaris is a new game, still huge battles are played at 5 fps at most.

And Age2HD can have some heavy performance problems with lots of units.

Well now. Post has provided some laughs.

A 20% faster CPU will give 6 fps? A 40% faster one will give 7 fps? a 100% faster one is 10fps?

Somehow I don't think you'll get that perfect single thread CPU you desire for those games. I understand you're very pro Intel from historical posts, but this line of reasoning is really, really flawed.

 

[eek2121]

Until they go to some other material clockspeed has pretty much hit a brick wall. As far as IPC goes, Intel has wrung out about as much as they are going to get from the Core architecture. How much low hanging fruit is there on the Zen architecture? I don't know, but there's bound to be some. Only time will tell there. Interesting times ahead.

AMD has stated publically that Zen+ will have at least a 10% IPC gain thanks to that 'low hanging fruit' you speak of. I've heard rumors that internally they are expecting closer to 20%. Furthermore, the node change to 14nm+ is going to allow them to have much higher clock speeds. Intel had better already be working on something to counter. Otherwise, when next year rolls around, we are in for a repeat of the Athlon 64.

 

[eek2121]

That would make it even better, I assumed same clock like Ryzen 1800X which is wrong. I know stock Ryzen scores ~1600 points. AMD Turbo boost is not all core like Intel, so there is room for improvement. At 4Ghz 3500-3600 score should be doable.

Just an FYI, minor correction here. Intel Turbo Boost is NOT all core. However, this is a post about an AMD CPU. It's best to use the Intel forum for these types of posts.

 

[.vodka]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6nprym/threadripper_has_watercooling_as_a_stock_cooler/

http://www.gdm.or.jp/voices/2017/0716/214535

"7月14日（金）に発表されたAMDの新ハイエンドCPU「Ryzen Threadripper」シリーズ。国内では、7月27日（木）より予約受け付けがスタート。発売日は8月10日（木）に設定されている。なお、現時点で予価は未定。製品には標準で水冷クーラーが付属するという。"

Translation - AMD announced on July 14 (Fri) new high-end CPU series "Ryzen Threadripper". In Japan, the reservation is accepted starting July 27 (Thursday). Release Date is set to August 10 (Thursday). It should be noted that, at present tentative is undecided. The water-cooled cooler is supplied as standard with the product.

If that translation is accurate, then these CPUs have become even more of a value! Hell, I guess if a potential TR buyer isn't going to use that included AIO because of a custom loop, they could reuse it on a graphics card for example.

 

[ddogg]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6nprym/threadripper_has_watercooling_as_a_stock_cooler/



If that translation is accurate, then these CPUs have become even more of a value! Hell, I guess if a potential TR buyer isn't going to use that included AIO because of a custom loop, they could reuse it on a graphics card for example.

I rather it be cheaper than come with some crappy AIO type cooling solution.

 

[Topweasel]

Yes, that means every tab is ST limited.

Yeah but it's the count of ST processes that matters. Very very very few of the ST tasks out there have perceptable differences in ST performance. Even when we talk about game performance a 1 core CPU would be crap. A two core might be playable, a 4 core is the sweet spot, an 8 thread 4c is the basis for optimizations and on newer games 4c+, does give some better performance.

But if a single application with a single core is what matters. A Pentium 4 is likely all you need.

 

[IEC]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6nprym/threadripper_has_watercooling_as_a_stock_cooler/
If that translation is accurate, then these CPUs have become even more of a value! Hell, I guess if a potential TR buyer isn't going to use that included AIO because of a custom loop, they could reuse it on a graphics card for example.

The gist is reasonably close. They did butcher the translation of the line "なお、現時点で予価は未定。" (Nao, genjiten de yoka wa mitei.)

Which translates to pricing is yet to be determined.

 

[ub4ty]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6nprym/threadripper_has_watercooling_as_a_stock_cooler/



If that translation is accurate, then these CPUs have become even more of a value! Hell, I guess if a potential TR buyer isn't going to use that included AIO because of a custom loop, they could reuse it on a graphics card for example.

Confirmed Spotting in Alienware's Threadripper setup :

Closely reminiscent of

Trips get RGB lit ring around the circular node atop the cooler mount.

Announced on japanese website : http://www.gdm.or.jp/voices/2017/0716/214535
Summer habbenings confirmed.

 

[teejee]

Yes, that means every tab is ST limited.

No, every process in Chrome spawns many threads. So a single tab in chrome is not inherently ST limited. Google "processes vs threads" if you want to know more.

Sent from my LG-D855 using Tapatalk

 

[coercitiv]

No, every process in Chrome spawns many threads. So a single tab in chrome is not inherently ST limited. Google "processes vs threads" if you want to know more.

The following are taken from an article about multi cores in ARM designs, but it should have implications for PC Chrome as well, in the sense of showing modern browsers know to use multiple threads for one tab. It also mirrors an easy to replicate empirical test in the PC environment, with Chrome and Firefox inducing radically different turbo behavior in a low power CPU.

We start off by loading an article on AnandTech and quickly scrolling through it. It's mostly at the beginning of the events that we're seeing high computational load as the website is being loaded and rendered.

The initial web site rendering is clearly done by the big cluster, and it looks like all 4 cores have working threads on them. Once the rendering is done and we're just scrolling through the page, the load on the big cluster is mostly limited to 1 large thread.

Once the website is loaded around the 6s mark, threads begin to migrate back to the little cores. Here we actually see them being used quite extensively as we see peaks of 70-80% usage. We actually have bursts where may seem like the total concurrent threads on the little cluster exceeds 4, but still nothing too dramatically overloaded.

When looking at the total amount of threads on the system, we can see that the S-Browser makes good use of at least 4 CPU cores with some peaks of up to 5 threads.

 

[beginner99]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6nprym/threadripper_has_watercooling_as_a_stock_cooler/



If that translation is accurate, then these CPUs have become even more of a value! Hell, I guess if a potential TR buyer isn't going to use that included AIO because of a custom loop, they could reuse it on a graphics card for example.

Wow if that is true, I might actually reconsider to get one of these. Issue is if it doesn't come with a decent cooler, you need to buy a new one as no old one fits the large IHS and socket.

 

[Shivansps]

Well now. Post has provided some laughs.

A 20% faster CPU will give 6 fps? A 40% faster one will give 7 fps? a 100% faster one is 10fps?

Somehow I don't think you'll get that perfect single thread CPU you desire for those games. I understand you're very pro Intel from historical posts, but this line of reasoning is really, really flawed.

???? i just said i wish Ryzen max OC whould be higher because as it is now ST perf is not improvement over an OC SB. No cpu can run those games perfectly.

Thats is the whole reason why im holding my 2500K upgrade, at 4.3Ghz i feel like im going to get a 2600K with 2 more cores, in the case of the 1600. And thats a lot of money to change everything.
Im not considering any of the current Intel CPUs either and im not sure if i want to wait for CFL-S either. And its going to be more expensive than the 1600.

 

[tamz_msc]

???? i just said i wish Ryzen max OC whould be higher because as it is now ST perf is not improvement over an OC SB. No cpu can run those games perfectly.

I played the original Crysis back in the day barely breaking 25 fps. So I can't imagine why you'd base a purchase decision on whether a CPU can run an ancient game at 5 fps or 7 fps. I mean, you'd have a point if you were trying to push hundreds of FPS in CS:GO, but sub-10 fps is unplayable, regardless of the CPU.

 

[french toast]

AMD has stated publically that Zen+ will have at least a 10% IPC gain thanks to that 'low hanging fruit' you speak of. I've heard rumors that internally they are expecting closer to 20%. Furthermore, the node change to 14nm+ is going to allow them to have much higher clock speeds. Intel had better already be working on something to counter. Otherwise, when next year rolls around, we are in for a repeat of the Athlon 64.

Zen + as in pinnacle ridge? Rumours(+ common sense) point to this being a simple process improvement, I can see 5% low hanging going fruit maybe but 20%?? Na I think your getting mixed up with zen2 2019.

 

[lobz]

Right. What should we make of the 1920 score, which is a bit of an outlier (1613 * 12 / 8 * 3.5 / 3.6 = 2352; the 1950 is much more in-line with expectations ~ 3046). The score is a lot closer to what I'd expect for 3.6G.

IMO you'd rather wanna double the corresponding R5's score if you wanna check the scaling dor the 1920X

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[ajc9988]

Zen + as in pinnacle ridge? Rumours(+ common sense) point to this being a simple process improvement, I can see 5% low hanging going fruit maybe but 20%?? Na I think your getting mixed up with zen2 2019.

Just fyi, GloFo has estimated 40% transistor improvement over current 14nm process for 7nm. That isn't IPC, but worth noting. Where the 20% came from is early ads for zen+. It disappeared once the actual process info came out. So, somewhere between Zen+ and Zen 2, we should see IPC improvement.

 

[Gideon]

I'm actually quite surprised there turned out to be no Threadripper SKU that would have been 2x Ryzen 1700 "glued together". I mean you would have got a 3.0 Base to about 3.7 Boost 16 core processor with a 130W TDP. That would certainly be air-coolable. Definitely not for everybody, but I could certainly see some uses for it

As for The Zen+ I'm holding my finger crossed for it to be the same that Piledriver was to Bulldozer. E.g. up to 200-300 MHz frequency improvements (no 4 GHz wall anymore) and between 5-10% IPC increase, with a bit more in a couple corner cases. The IPC part might be a bit optimistic, considering that even though Zen is the first implementation of a new architecture, it has way less low-hanging fruit than bulldozer had, but I'm still hopeful. It certainly wouldn't hurt against the coming 6-core Coffee-lake.