The Ryzen "ThreadRipper"... 16 cores of awesome

[PhonakV30]

Timmah! is right and it might be possible to ballpark estimate this.

If we assume that it costs $2 to apply solder instead of Silicone TIM and we take an average $800 for a HEDT.

Then for every AMD Threadripper sale instead of an Intel Skylake-X due to the TIM fiasco, it will take Intel to make 400 sales to recoup that lost tiny extra profit.

I think my general logic is sound even if the assumed numbers are incorrect, which leads us to believe that Intel loses overall.

Wait , I haven't found any Source about TR's TIM.Maybe AMD put Solder on TR? or TIM ? Need proof ASAP!

 

[Mopetar]

Wait , I haven't found any Source about TR's TIM.Maybe AMD put Solder on TR? or TIM ? Need proof ASAP!

I don't think we'll know for sure until the product actually launches and people get their hands on it, but it would be pretty strange for AMD to use solder for Ryzen, but then decide to pinch pennies and use a cheaper TIM solution for their high-end part.

 

[.vodka]

Wait , I haven't found any Source about TR's TIM.Maybe AMD put Solder on TR? or TIM ? Need proof ASAP!

He was talking about Skylake-X, not TR.

TR is soldered.

 

[stockolicious]

Hubris.

A lot of how Intel have approached markets with their pricing and segmentation strategies smacks of it. We can do what we want as no one can touch us.

Remember Andrew Grove "only the paranoid survive". He must be turning in his grave.

Granted, paranoia is a terrible state of existence.

"A lot of how Intel have approached markets with their pricing and segmentation strategies smacks of it.We can do what we want as no one can touch us."

That might be true but now that is exasperating their problem. All the way down their product stack there is "Stuff missing" and it "Costs more" that is an aweful combination from a business modeling perspective.

 

[CHADBOGA]

I am not much of an AMD fan, and generally prefer Intel due to platform maturity, but AMD is kicking the snot out of Intel with Threadripper.

$999 for a 16 core CPU with a 4Ghz boost OC is insane.

Say goodbye to the stagnation CPU world of the past 6 years.

Only in terms of more cores, but we aren't seeing great gains on IPC or clockspeed.

 

[scannall]

Only in terms of more cores, but we aren't seeing great gains on IPC or clockspeed.

Intel has a small IPC advantage. AMD has a small SMT advantage. In the consumer market, Intel's biggest advantage is clockspeed. But do you honestly think the 16 core Slylake-X is going to get over 4Ghz? The thermals on the 10 core part are a disgrace as it is.

 

[ddogg]

Intel has a small IPC advantage. AMD has a small SMT advantage. In the consumer market, Intel's biggest advantage is clockspeed. But do you honestly think the 16 core Slylake-X is going to get over 4Ghz? The thermals on the 10 core part are a disgrace as it is.

If they continue using that pathetic TIM, the 12+ core CPU thermals might be disastrous. Honestly, at this point I'm not even sure how they might be able to keep the TDP on the higher core CPUs in check.

 

[itsmydamnation]

Only in terms of more cores, but we aren't seeing great gains on IPC or clockspeed.

At this core count you are really looking at scale-able software, ipc+smt skylake vs zen is really close. In which case it really is total mhz. We have seen across the board so far that under heavy load skylake-x chews power so i would expect a 180watt 3.4ghz 16 core Zen to be very competitive in this market.

Im hoping for a even cheaper 12 core TR ( lower clock) to replace my home esxi boxes with, otherwise i'll just go 1700's on boards that people have tested ECC works (i run zfs) and i'll buy one more box.

 

[R0H1T]

If they continue using that pathetic TIM, the 12+ core CPU thermals might be disastrous. Honestly, at this point I'm not even sure how they might be able to keep the TDP on the higher core CPUs in check.

Reduce clocks that's how, there's no way 12 cores (or above) are staying cool even with solder, when fully loaded or OCed or both, that's for certain ~ http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/-intel-skylake-x-overclocking-thermal-issues,5117.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11544/intel-skylake-ep-vs-amd-epyc-7000-cpu-battle-of-the-decade/22

 

[inf64]

Can't wait for the reviews and perf./$$$ comparisons . Fun times ahead.

 

[TeknoBug]

The wattage though, 180W... I remember the 230W+ nightmare of my Phenom II X6.

 

[mxnerd]

Threadripper 180W DTP for a desktop CPU? No way. No matter how good it is.

 

[Malogeek]

It's a 16 core CPU clocked at the same as 1800X. What are you expecting? You could always undervolt/underclock it.

 

[french toast]

Threadripper 180W DTP for a desktop CPU? No way. No matter how good it is.

No 16 core processors for you then

 

[mxnerd]

No 16 core processors for you then

That belongs in a server room.

 

[VirtualLarry]

That belongs in a server room.

Or in an enthusiast's computer, under liquid cooling.

 

[IEC]

Keep in mind that the top Epyc chips have a TDP of "180W" as well, versus the "165W" of the Xeon 8176. However, we all know how that turned out in AT's review:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11544/intel-skylake-ep-vs-amd-epyc-7000-cpu-battle-of-the-decade/22

Spoiler

AMD chips consume less power than TDP

I expect the 1950X and 1920X in stock configurations to be easy to cool with air coolers such as the Noctua TR4 socket units due to the massive IHS and double the die size to facilitate thermal transfer.

I'm still going to go custom loop water cooling so I can push the limits of the platform once EK releases a water block for X399.

 

[BigDaveX]

Threadripper 180W DTP for a desktop CPU? No way. No matter how good it is.

That's not even the worst TDP on an AMD processor in the last few years. 220W FX-9590, anybody?

 

[R0H1T]

That's not even the worst TDP on an AMD processor in the last few years. 220W FX-9590, anybody?

Yeah I think they can manage even 300W (EPYC?) just fine but for everyone's sake they ought not to redo an FX9590 (or Vega FE) in the desktop CPU landscape ever again.

 

[Topweasel]

Yeah I think they can manage even 300W (EPYC?) just fine but for everyone's sake they ought not to redo an FX9590 (or Vega FE) in the desktop CPU landscape ever again.

It's all about performance. The 9590 couldn't catch a 2600k in the best of circumstances and the "8 cores" performed mostly like 4 cores.

These are twice the cores almost the same speed. 90% of Intel's speed. With other resources like 64 PCIe lanes, 4 channel memory.

Add onto it this class of CPU is generally a 140w class. 40w over a much larger heatspreader is almost nothing. Now once you get into OC the 250-300w is another story altogether.

 

[mattiasnyc]

That belongs in a server room.

Or - again - in a studio / mix stage, video editing or color grading suite, visual effects room etc.....

 

[moinmoin]

That belongs in a server room.

You can run it at the frequency of the Epyc server chips, then you should be able to stay within 90-115W. But HEDT chips are used for overclocking and for frequencies common on desktop, not in servers.

 

[dwade]

Or in an enthusiast's computer, under liquid cooling.

How can any Ryzen be enthusiast-grade when none of them can overclock worth a damn.

 

[Topweasel]

How can any Ryzen be enthusiast-grade when none of them can overclock worth a damn.

Overclocking is about getting extra value out of a CPU by running it at high speed. If the CPU is already priced at a value overclocking shouldn't be a needed requirement of enthusiasts usage. On top of that you are looking at a 16 core CPU that can probably OC to 4GHz. Name another "enthusiast" solution that can pull that off.

 

[Tup3x]

Or in an enthusiast's computer, under liquid cooling.

It's about the same as GTX 1070 and rarely runs at full blast. It shouldn't be too hard to cool even with pure air coolers. Heck, the EVGA ACX 3.0 cooler keeps my GTX 1070 closer to 60c than 70c when the fans are running at ~1380 RPM. Surely they have all kinds of decent coolers coming for Threadripper that should do the job.