The Ryzen "ThreadRipper"... 16 cores of awesome

[ddogg]

Going to have to wait and see. I really do love that zenith board

 

[CatMerc]

It certainly is process imo, just imagine ryzen being fabbed on Intel's 14nm ++?? I would expect 30℅ higher clocks (really).

5.2GHz? I'd call that a stretch. Took Intel a while to reach that.

 

[formulav8]

it's fairly likely that 16 core Threadrippers will clock higher than 16 core Intel parts.

I think the base clock of Intel's 12 core is 2.9 Ghz. It could have a turbo speed similar to TR 12. But at least when it comes to base clock, TR 12 will have a 600 Mhz advantage. It's quite likely the Intel 16 core will have lower base clocks than TR 16 core as well which is 3.4 Ghz.

 

[french toast]

5.2GHz? I'd call that a stretch. Took Intel a while to reach that.

Single core turbo with high quality solder and Intel 14nm ++? Yes!
I think ryzen should able to clock higher than skylake uarch, it is basically a much improved Haswell with narrower fmacs and according to David kanter (also btj2) a lower F04 (what ever that means, just know it's related to higher clocks

 

[french toast]

For the 6 and 8 core parts I'd agree. But considering the thermal problems Intel is having, it's fairly likely that 16 core Threadrippers will clock higher than 16 core Intel parts.

I think the thermal issues are a limitation on the uarch, it's nearly at its limits I feel, if threadripper was on 14nm++ we could be seeing much better clocks, likely not 30℅ but quite a bit better I'd say.

 

[tamz_msc]

Single core turbo with high quality solder and Intel 14nm ++? Yes!
I think ryzen should able to clock higher than skylake uarch, it is basically a much improved Haswell with narrower fmacs and according to David kanter (also btj2) a lower F04 (what ever that means, just know it's related to higher clocks

Inb4 Zen is a copy of Haswell:

A quick jog down my electronics engineering memory lane reveals that FO4 is fan-out-of-4, a metric of delay of a CMOS inverter, and is defined as the gate delay of an inverter when loaded by four identical inverters. Lower FO4 therefore means faster switching(higher clock speeds). It is also, as expected, proportional to gate length.

 

[wildhorse2k]

I think the base clock of Intel's 12 core is 2.9 Ghz. It could have a turbo speed similar to TR 12. But at least when it comes to base clock, TR 12 will have a 600 Mhz advantage. It's quite likely the Intel 16 core will have lower base clocks than TR 16 core as well which is 3.4 Ghz.

Why are you convinced that base clock will have any effect on performance?

 

[ajc9988]

Why are you convinced that base clock will have any effect on performance?

What the concern is whether there is an equal 400mhz loss on overclock. I'm standing by my idea that if the undelid OC is under 4.3, there is little reason to go Intel.

 

[formulav8]

Why are you convinced that base clock will have any effect on performance?

Actually I didn't mention performance. But there is an advantage when turbo cannot be maintained, especially in thermal situations.

 

[IEC]

What the concern is whether there is an equal 400mhz loss on overclock. I'm standing by my idea that if the undelid OC is under 4.3, there is little reason to go Intel.

There's also quite a bit more PCIe lanes and no segmentation beyond core count on Threadripper. And I don't have to pay $100 extra to get a vROC key (would probably use a RAID card thanks to all those PCIe lanes if I were to do that anyways)...

 

[ajc9988]

There's also quite a bit more PCIe lanes and no segmentation beyond core count on Threadripper. And I don't have to pay $100 extra to get a vROC key (would probably use a RAID card thanks to all those PCIe lanes if I were to do that anyways)...

I still want to know what raid is supported by the chipset. But you should check out the 4xNVMe raid cards coming out. Talk about speed! Takes a PCIe 3.0x16 slot, but is a monster....

 

[Phynaz]

And I don't have to pay $100 extra to get a vROC key

I don't understand how you "have" to pay for the key. Especially since there isn't any equivalent function on an AMD system.

 

[Topweasel]

I still want to know what raid is supported by the chipset. But you should check out the 4xNVMe raid cards coming out. Talk about speed! Takes a PCIe 3.0x16 slot, but is a monster....

None of the NVME on the x399 boards are coming from the Chipset. Second the X399 Chipset is the X370 so any of the Sata raid is the same.

 

[ajc9988]

None of the NVME on the x399 boards are coming from the Chipset. Second the X399 Chipset is the X370 so any of the Sata raid is the same.

First, I said NVMe on a raid card. Second, I wanted to know the raid on the chipset for slower storage (sata). So thank you for pointing to what to check on the chipset. But you misunderstood the NVMe comment entirely. Look up raid cards with the NVMe drives (4 drives) on the card.

 

[wildhorse2k]

Actually I didn't mention performance. But there is an advantage when turbo cannot be maintained, especially in thermal situations.

Why would that be relevant? Do you plan to run your system with insufficient cooling?

 

[insertcarehere]

Why would that be relevant? Do you plan to run your system with insufficient cooling?

Looking at the nutso power consumption figures coming out of X299 platforms, that might not be as far-fetched as you think.

 

[Topweasel]

First, I said NVMe on a raid card. Second, I wanted to know the raid on the chipset for slower storage (sata). So thank you for pointing to what to check on the chipset. But you misunderstood the NVMe comment entirely. Look up raid cards with the NVMe drives (4 drives) on the card.

The comment wasn't in regards to the raid card. It was in regards to raid options. I was just pointing out that what the chipset has will have no bearing on what is possible as far as NVME. As far as I know they don't a solution like the one Intel has for Raid over CPU NVME (even if requires a stupid dongle).

 

[ajc9988]

The comment wasn't in regards to the raid card. It was in regards to raid options. I was just pointing out that what the chipset has will have no bearing on what is possible as far as NVME. As far as I know they don't a solution like the one Intel has for Raid over CPU NVME (even if requires a stupid dongle).

General knowledge for all, got you. Sorry for the defensive answer. I smell what you're stepping in now. There may be something licensed in relation to the DIMM.2 from Asus (wishful thinking), but pure speculation (the MB co. Can license certain things without the reliance of AMD. Just like TB3 can be ran on Ryzen, but MB manufacturers have to license and integrate it).

 

[formulav8]

Do you plan to run your system with insufficient cooling?

I'm sure thermals won't get better as core counts increase without lowering base clocks.

Otherwise there would be No Reason at ALL to reduce base clocks as Pricing and Core counts Increase especially for single core performance.

 

[tamz_msc]

I'm sure thermals won't get better as core counts increase without lowering base clocks.

Otherwise there would be No Reason at ALL to reduce base clocks as Pricing and Core counts Increase especially for single core performance.

Base clocks are somewhat misleading IMO since these chips don't operate at base frequency under load. What is interesting however is that these 12+ core CPUs would have no clock speed advantage over the Threadripper CPUs, given the TDP of their Xeon counterparts.

 

[.vodka]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6ogye0/asus_zenith_extreme/

Spoiler: Zenith Extreme pictures

Lots of stuff!

 

[IEC]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6ogye0/asus_zenith_extreme/

Spoiler: Zenith Extreme pictures

Lots of stuff!

My wallet is ready for August 10th!

 

[ddogg]

My wallet is ready for August 10th!

Same. I got so much of gear sitting in my bedroom ready for this build. I'm still waiting on some parts but August can't come quick enough.

 

[TheGiant]

Does TR have a mode where 2-4 cores have high frequency (like 4GHz). Something like gaming/low thread performance mode? Like intel turbo max (or whatever they call it on SKL-X)

 

[wahdangun]

I don't understand how you "have" to pay for the key. Especially since there isn't any equivalent function on an AMD system.

by unlocking things with money is the definition of paying or "DLC", its doesn't matter if other platform have it or not.