The Ryzen "ThreadRipper"... 16 cores of awesome

[stockolicious]

Wow, base clock of 3.4 GHz? At what TDP?

Also still less than the $1.1k they could charge for it (basically 2x the 1800x). More than 2x the 1700x. So . . . interesting.

AMD has priced their 16c part against Intel's 10c Skylake-X part. Let the games begin!

"AMD has priced their 16c part against Intel's 10c Skylake-X part"

its amazing what great yields can do glue baby glue

 

[formulav8]

glue baby glue

The glue Intel was talking about seems to be their ihs based glue. Have no understanding why they would not solder like they have done plenty of times before, especially their hedt line.

 

[Headfoot]

Threadripper is such a junk name. Anything with the word "Ripper" in it seems like a borderline illegal pre-workout sport drink with an amphetamine analogue in it.

But the CPU itself looks awesome. Ryzen is a good name, Epyc is really corny, and Threadripper's just dumb

 

[stockolicious]

Threadripper is such a junk name. Anything with the word "Ripper" in it seems like a borderline illegal pre-workout sport drink with an amphetamine analogue in it.

But the CPU itself looks awesome. Ryzen is a good name, Epyc is really corny, and Threadripper's just dumb

I am seriously glad that most of the complaints i see about AMD now have to do with their naming conventions. The Threadripper name could be an apt due to what it will probably do to INCT in the HEDT.

 

[mattiasnyc]

T a borderline illegal pre-workout sport drink with an amphetamine analogue in it.

You say that like it's a bad thing.........

 

[scannall]

The glue Intel was talking about seems to be their ihs based glue. Have no understanding why they would not solder like they have done plenty of times before, especially their hedt line.

No. Intel is referring to multiple 8 core dies tied together with Infinity Fabric. It seems to work just fine though.

 

[ddogg]

Threadripper is such a junk name. Anything with the word "Ripper" in it seems like a borderline illegal pre-workout sport drink with an amphetamine analogue in it.

But the CPU itself looks awesome. Ryzen is a good name, Epyc is really corny, and Threadripper's just dumb

I like the name. It's catchy and unique and implies a CPU with a lot of threads.

 

[formulav8]

No. Intel is referring to multiple 8 core dies tied together with Infinity Fabric. It seems to work just fine though.

Actually, I wasn't being very serious.

 

[Timmah!]

Threadripper is such a junk name. Anything with the word "Ripper" in it seems like a borderline illegal pre-workout sport drink with an amphetamine analogue in it.

But the CPU itself looks awesome. Ryzen is a good name, Epyc is really corny, and Threadripper's just dumb

Agreed. The naming scheme is totally retarded and i wonder why there was even need for names like these, if there is the R3,5,7 moniker and numbers anyway. The worst part about it is the inconsistency, it totally hurts my OCD. Not a fan of Ryzen name (just Zen would be so much better), but OK, matter of taste. If you however go with such name, why name the other product of the same type completely different? If Ryzen is Ryzen, then TR should have been something similar, with oriental/asian ring to it, end of. Same for Epyc...

 

[moonbogg]

Whoa, a few things to mention about this.

1: I fell for the $850 rumor. Shame on me. Still good pricing though.
2: AMD offers the customer one of two things vs the 7900X: More performance for a lesser price, or way more performance for the same price. SICK!
3: Even if these things only OC to 3.9 all core turbo, those scores are going to rocket straight through the damn roof.
4: X299 is dead. People buy these for highly threaded workloads. AMD just bested Intel's best.

Anyone considering an 8 core for $600 from Intel can simply spend $200 extra and for that $200 you get:

4 more cores, 8 more threads
Faster than 7900X performance
64 PCI-E lanes vs 28
SOLDER
Win

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Whoa, a few things to mention about this.

1: I fell for the $850 rumor. Shame on me. Still good pricing though.
2: AMD offers the customer one of two things vs the 7900X: More performance for a lesser price, or way more performance for the same price. SICK!
3: Even if these things only OC to 3.9 all core turbo, those scores are going to rocket straight through the damn roof.
4: X299 is dead. People buy these for highly threaded workloads. AMD just bested Intel's best.

Anyone considering an 8 core for $600 from Intel can simply spend $200 extra and for that $200 you get:

4 more cores, 8 more threads
Faster than 7900X performance
64 PCI-E lanes vs 28
SOLDER
Win

Yep, I can't wait for the reviews. I just bought a 1700x today to upgrade the 1500x in my second gaming box but I have been holding off on my "big" upgrade. Intel's own 16-core part is what, $800 more? And I won't be surprised if it can't best the 1950 in clockspeed.

Yeah, Intel will likely still be faster in games but with the money you save, you can up your system specs so much that you won't notice the difference. I am very excited - my last frontline AMD CPU was the Athlon x2 4800+, and Threadripper looks like it may break Intel's hold on my main PC.

I wonder if solder will magically appear on the next i9 releases.

 

[formulav8]

IMO, Intel's segmenting is just awful overall. Very anti-consumer. Yet some are content with it apparently. Intel even segmented their AVX speed performance and PCI-Express lanes based on the CPU you buy even when its the same core overall.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Agreed. The naming scheme is totally retarded and i wonder why there was even need for names like these, if there is the R3,5,7 moniker and numbers anyway. The worst part about it is the inconsistency, it totally hurts my OCD. Not a fan of Ryzen name (just Zen would be so much better), but OK, matter of taste. If you however go with such name, why name the other product of the same type completely different? If Ryzen is Ryzen, then TR should have been something similar, with oriental/asian ring to it, end of. Same for Epyc...

IIRC, they couldn't trademark Zen, which is why they went with Ryzen. I admit, I kind of like Threadripper - it sounds like they're taunting Intel and I love it.

 

[The Stilt]

Am I correct in thinking threadripper will be able to be better cooled due to the larger surface area of the die?

Yes and no.

180W SP3r2 Threadripper = ~5.198W/cm² of surface area (heatspreader).
95W AM4 Ryzen = 6.755W/cm² of surface area (heatspreader).

However, the last thermal interface is hardly the largest bottle neck since the previous interface (die(s) to heatspreader) has 47.619W/cm² (180W TR) and 50.264W/cm² (95W AM4) load per surface area.

 

[formulav8]

they couldn't trademark Zen, which is why they went with Ryzen.

That is true.

 

[formulav8]

Yes and no.

Are there actual results you're able to share on real thermals, consumption, and such? (It's probably a no but its worth my typing and thoughts on the matter. But not you breaking nda anything).

 

[moinmoin]

If you however go with such name, why name the other product of the same type completely different?

But they are not of the same type. Ryzen, Threadripper and Epyc all use different incompatible sockets (AM4, TR4 and SP3 respectively).

 

[The Stilt]

Are there actual results you're able to share on real thermals, consumption, and such? (It's probably a no but its worth my typing and thoughts on the matter. But not you breaking nda anything).

Unfortunately not, for the time being.

 

[formulav8]

Unfortunately not, for the time being.

I understand sir. Thanks though. Hope you do another high-end review like you did Ryen.

 

[scannall]

IIRC, they couldn't trademark Zen, which is why they went with Ryzen. I admit, I kind of like Threadripper - it sounds like they're taunting Intel and I love it.

It makes internet searches a lot easier. Ryzen is a unique term. No telling what you'd get searchin Zen. Threadripper is also a unique search term, like Xeon.

 

[moonbogg]

Yep, I can't wait for the reviews. I just bought a 1700x today to upgrade the 1500x in my second gaming box but I have been holding off on my "big" upgrade. Intel's own 16-core part is what, $800 more? And I won't be surprised if it can't best the 1950 in clockspeed.

Yeah, Intel will likely still be faster in games but with the money you save, you can up your system specs so much that you won't notice the difference. I am very excited - my last frontline AMD CPU was the Athlon x2 4800+, and Threadripper looks like it may break Intel's hold on my main PC.

I wonder if solder will magically appear on the next i9 releases.

If I was in the market for a big chip for rendering or whatever, I would simply buy the AMD 16 core chip and not look back. No regrets at all or wondering how much better the Intel chips might perform later. Why is that? Because hardly 18 months ago, the king of the hill was the 5960X, 8 cores for a grand. We have been getting 5% increases every year to 18 months or so. Now AMD strolls in and look where we are now? A 16/32 beast for the same price as that 8 core chip? A more than 100% increase in performance? Are you kidding me? That 16 core chip will be more than enough to make anyone feel damn good about what's in their box, and at $1000 its like an upgrade from 10 years in the future compared to what we've been getting. That 16 core chip hits the sweet spot for HEDT in a seriously untouchable way. Intel's got nothing on it.
Oh, and BTW, that 16 core chip will game in a perfectly competent manner, just like the Ryzen 6+ core chips. So this is a perfectly viable multipurpose build option. Massive and insane multicore performance, the likes of which only big server chips have been able to provide, along with the ability to throw a high end GPU or two in there to do some class A gaming in your downtime. Amazing really.

 

[formulav8]

Although nothing has been officially announced, I still believe there will be an Eight core TR hedt sku in the future. If only costing a touch more than the 1800x. There are people wanting that option I'm sure.

 

[maddie]

Yes and no.

180W SP3r2 Threadripper = ~5.198W/cm² of surface area (heatspreader).
95W AM4 Ryzen = 6.755W/cm² of surface area (heatspreader).

However, the last thermal interface is hardly the largest bottle neck since the previous interface (die(s) to heatspreader) has 47.619W/cm² (180W TR) and 50.264W/cm² (95W AM4) load per surface area.

Using your own quoted values, Threadripper will be easier to cool. You can always break down heat flows to a series of sub-component transfers.

Internal die heat transfer
Die to heatspreader heat flow (47.619W/cm² (180W TR) and 50.264W/cm² (95W AM4)
Heatspreader to cooler heat flow (5.198W/cm² (180W TR) and 6.755W/cm² (95W AM4)

At no point is Threadripper worse than Ryzen. In fact the last two are in favor of the Threadripper CPU. Even if operated at equal power/die (190W TR vs 95W AM4), Threadripper will always have an advantage for the last step of the heat transfer chain.

Threadripper will be better cooled even though it might only be a minimal amount. Of course you can't use a cooler for 95W and expect good results, the cooler must be designed for the heat load.

 

[.vodka]

If I was in the market for a big chip for rendering or whatever, I would simply buy the AMD 16 core chip and not look back. No regrets at all or wondering how much better the Intel chips might perform later. Why is that? Because hardly 18 months ago, the king of the hill was the 5960X, 8 cores for a grand. We have been getting 5% increases every year to 18 months or so. Now AMD strolls in and look where we are now? A 16/32 beast for the same price as that 8 core chip? A more than 100% increase in performance? Are you kidding me? That 16 core chip will be more than enough to make anyone feel damn good about what's in their box, and at $1000 its like an upgrade from 10 years in the future compared to what we've been getting. That 16 core chip hits the sweet spot for HEDT in a seriously untouchable way. Intel's got nothing on it.
Oh, and BTW, that 16 core chip will game in a perfectly competent manner, just like the Ryzen 6+ core chips. So this is a perfectly viable multipurpose build option. Massive and insane multicore performance, the likes of which only big server chips have been able to provide, along with the ability to throw a high end GPU or two in there to do some class A gaming in your downtime. Amazing really.

Spot on, man. It's like the whole scene advanced years in a few months and value shot through the roof. I love it.

Don't forget these platforms are here to stay and will have upgrade paths next year with Pinnacle Ridge, Zen 2 + 7nm in 2019 and Zen 3 in 2020. DDR5 and PCIe4/5 will justify the next socket.

Zen 2 on 7nm will be VERY interesting.

Threadripper will be better cooled even though it might only be a minimal amount. Of course you can't use a cooler for 95W and expect good results, the cooler must be designed for the heat load.

Seeing how tame a single Zeppelin die is when pushed with decent cooling, I suppose a custom loop should be more than enough to handle two Zeppelins at or near 4GHz. Top air cooling (I mean, look at all that heatspreader area, manufacturers could fit a LOT of thick 8mm heatpipes there) or a top AIO could do it, I guess.

It shouldn't get out of control as Skylake-X does, and the socket is insane, there should be more than enough power pins to handle all of that. The last issue could be the motherboards, if the vendors implement RGB heat traps as in most SKL-X boards instead of an actual heatsink on the VRM. Hopefully they ship with something decent that doesn't throttle to hell when pushed.

 

[maddie]

Seeing how tame a single Zeppelin die is when pushed with decent cooling, I suppose a custom loop should be more than enough to handle two Zeppelins at or near 4GHz. Top air cooling (I mean, look at all that heatspreader area, manufacturers could fit a LOT of thick 8mm heatpipes there) or a top AIO could do it, I guess.

It shouldn't get out of control as Skylake-X does, and the socket is insane, there should be more than enough power pins to handle all of that. The last issue could be the motherboards, if the vendors implement RGB heat traps as in most SKL-X boards instead of an actual heatsink on the VRM. Hopefully they ship with something decent that doesn't throttle to hell when pushed.

Correct. Once you have enough heat transfer area, you can dissipate the heat with a low delta T. Of course an air cooler would need a LOT of fin area exposed to an air flow for 300W. The heat pipes are a trivial problem to solve due to the large heatspeader area and the fact that the two ryzen die are not concentrated but well spaced underneath.

I hate the whole bling thing for PCs, but that might be just my age speaking.