The Ryzen "ThreadRipper"... 16 cores of awesome

[cbn]

You enable the conversation, and help the other party establish credibility. Your choice ofc.

My question is helping him establish credibility? How is that?

 

[cbn]

Deleted. (Poster originally mentioned a whole new platform called X499 which was hex channel and built around 3 dies).

 

[.vodka]

https://twitter.com/austinnotduncan/status/875098061856362496

4094 pads!

 

[pcslookout]

Honestly I can't wait for the Threadripper but is anyone else here just for the funny comments.

 

[nathanddrews]

https://twitter.com/austinnotduncan/status/875098061856362496
4094 pads!

I don't care if it's massive, that's beautiful!

Anyone have any ideas as to whether or not the larger package will allow for better heat dissipation - I mean, the heat sink that goes with that has got to be freaking 13lbs.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Could be hard to find heat sinks for these beasts. I'm not sure a lot of the common manufacturers are going to think there's a big enough market to manufacture one.

Hopefully AMD bundles a good quality one.

 

[Atari2600]

Anyone have any ideas as to whether or not the larger package will allow for better heat dissipation

The two dies are substantially smaller than the heat spreader, and the heatsink on top will induce a fairly aggressive thermal gradient at the interface so no, I wouldn't expect significant improvements.

If they had used a vapour chamber between heat spreader and the die(s) then would likely improve matters substantially. But I don't know if any heatspreader uses such a philosophy....?

 

[Atari2600]

Hopefully AMD bundles a good quality one.

This is the same package as the server. So all the server heatsinks should be applicable. Good quality won't be the problem, affordability might be!

 

[nathanddrews]

Could be hard to find heat sinks for these beasts. I'm not sure a lot of the common manufacturers are going to think there's a big enough market to manufacture one.

Noctua already showed off three designs at Computex for TR/EPYC. The NH-U14S, the NH-U12S and the NH-U9. Given that the R7 1800X doesn't come with HSF and none of the Intel HEDT chips come with one either, it seems pretty obvious that aftermarket support is all there will be. This will definitely be a factor in pricing, since you can't just use a pre-existing HSF from another model like you can with Intel chips.

 

[.vodka]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6huphm/gigabyte_uk_showed_this_photo_of_an_x399_mobo_on/

You've gotta be careful when installing the CPU.. put it in at a slightly off angle and you'll probably screw something up... (edit: /s)

Still, looks like a beast.

 

[Malogeek]

Those sockets don't really allow any movement. Why would this be an issue now? Because if the size?

 

[.vodka]

Of course there's no movement when the lid is down. I was referring to when you put the CPU in place while the socket is open and the tiny contacts are exposed. Some people are clumsy and could be in for trouble.

I mean, somehow people get to destroy tiny (in comparison) LGA 115x sockets because they dropped the CPU or whatever, you can be sure someone is going to screw something up and get to post it somewhere

 

[Pick2]

IT'S BEAUTIFUL! < Face starts melting like a wax figure >

 

[ddogg]

Looks like you could fit an altoid box on that. Love it

 

[eek2121]

This is the same package as the server. So all the server heatsinks should be applicable. Good quality won't be the problem, affordability might be!

The server chips are clocked at a much slower clockspeed than Threadripper. Threadripper will be running at a minimum of 3.4/3.8 (based on current engineering samples, but AMD's target has always been 3.6/4.0 to match up with the 1800x...I imagine we will end up with 3.5/3.9 when TR launches...but I could be wrong.) Servers are typically also passively cooled, with case fans being responsible for moving air through the CPU heatsink. Therefore, Threadripper's coolers will be completely unique.

 

[beginner99]

Could be hard to find heat sinks for these beasts. I'm not sure a lot of the common manufacturers are going to think there's a big enough market to manufacture one.

Damn. Never thought of that. Kind of a downer because I don't intend to trash my NH-D14 for my new built but reuse it.

 

[tamz_msc]

Some bad news, though not entirely unexpected:

Since the heatspreaders of the new SP3/TR4 CPUs are almost twice as big as the bases of Noctua’s normal CPU coolers, it is not possible to use them on these sockets and there will be no upgrade kits.

http://noctua.at/en/noctua-at-computex-2017

 

[Dresdenboy]

Do you guys think this will have better gaming performance because of the quad channel memory config?

Some sites and magazines reported up to two digit points higher performance with dual rank mem (both apps and games). The software seems to benefit from some parallelism in the memory's inner workings. 2x the channels increase that even further.

Points against that are the likely higher latencies for inter-die mem accesses and possibly some IF contention.

 

[Dresdenboy]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6huphm/gigabyte_uk_showed_this_photo_of_an_x399_mobo_on/

You've gotta be careful when installing the CPU.. put it in at a slightly off angle and you'll probably screw something up...

Still, looks like a beast.

I thought they would simply be slid (sp?) into the rails in the cover.

 

[tamz_msc]

Some sites and magazines reported up to two digit points higher performance with dual rank mem (both apps and games). The software seems to benefit from some parallelism in the memory's inner workings. 2x the channels increase that even further.

Points against that are the likely higher latencies for inter-die mem accesses and possibly some IF contention.

Dual-rank quad-channel memory is incredibly expensive though. 4x16GB kits are 450$+ on Newegg.

 

[Dresdenboy]

Dual-rank quad-channel memory is incredibly expensive though. 4x16GB kits are 450$+ on Newegg.

That's right and likely not worth the extra money for maybe 5% more fps. It'd be better to put that into a GPU then. But as I'm also doing deep learning and data processing, I got 2x16 for the R7. A TR buyer might also have other use cases in mind which benefit from more memory. Even a RAM disk might be interesting to some.

 

[Markfw]

W

Dual-rank quad-channel memory is incredibly expensive though. 4x16GB kits are 450$+ on Newegg.

Well, the 4x8 kit is just about twice the 2x8 kit I got for my Ryzen's, $360 total.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232207

 

[Pick2]

Dual-rank quad-channel memory is incredibly expensive though. 4x16GB kits are 450$+ on Newegg.

Well, the 4x8 kit is just about twice the 2x8 kit I got for my Ryzen's, $360 total.

Ouch - My desire for TR is starting to soften. Hopefully by the end of the year , prices will come down somewhat.

 

[Markfw]

Ouch - My desire for TR is starting to soften. Hopefully by the end of the year , prices will come down somewhat.

Well, since I understand that TR is basically 2 Ryzen cores in one chip, its like me adding 2 more systems, but I need only one PSU and case. AND for processing, 16 cores, and 32 threads is better than 8 cores.16 threads x 2. (for DC work)

 

[DeeJayBump]

Of course there's no movement when the lid is down. I was referring to when you put the CPU in place while the socket is open and the tiny contacts are exposed. Some people are clumsy and could be in for trouble.

I mean, somehow people get to destroy tiny (in comparison) LGA 115x sockets because they dropped the CPU or whatever, you can be sure someone is going to screw something up and get to post it somewhere

Non-issue, IMO. Looking at the following image of Threadripper, one can see that on each "side" of the package there are two rounded indentions close together with a third further down.

Now looking at the socket area of the X399 Mobo pictured here, one can see the corresponding pairs of rounded protrusions that align with the chip body indentions to align the CPU/socket combo without issue, IMO:

So the protrusions on each side of the Mobo socket will slot into the indentions of the CPU package which will prohibit movement/slipping/etc.