The Russians failed, what about USA?

Bluga

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¡X ¡§You yourself [the United States] trained them to be the best guerrilla force in the world,¡¨ said a former Pakistani intelligence official who said he advised Islamic freedom fighters under CIA-sponsored programs during the rebels¡¦ war with Soviet forces in the 1980s. ¡§Some of these Taliban were the CIA¡¦s superstars. ¡§Doesn¡¦t the CIA remember they were the ones who gave the Afghans the best lessons in the world in how to humiliate a great army?¡¨ said another former Pakistani intelligence official, who has advised the Taliban in military operations for the past five years.

The U.S. military learned during the Persian Gulf War that months of bombing destroyed only a fraction of the Iraqi military hardware arrayed across a flat desert, a lesson that could apply to Afghanistan as well. ¡§Carrying out large-scale bombing of Afghanistan would be a mistake,¡¨ Nikolai Kovalyov, former head of the Russian Federal Security Service, a successor agency to the KGB, said in an interview in Moscow. ¡§We must learn from the lessons of history - we have not been able to solve the problems of terrorism by large-scale bombing.¡¨

In Afghanistan, U.S. surveillance satellites will see no sizable power grids, no vast military bases, no major bridges and highway networks as targets: There are none. Special forces would land in a war zone that has changed little from the desert country of nomadic tribes and medieval-looking villages British troops invaded more than two centuries ago. Land forces, with virtually no access to local supplies, would be treading through one of the most densely mined countries on the globe amid a hostile population.

¡§The first mistake would be a large-scale land operation,¡¨ said former Russian security chief Kovalyov. ¡§In the mountains there, it is impossible to determine where or what to destroy. For every trainful of explosives, perhaps three guerrillas at most will die. The country is filled with caves and crevices in which to hide."




 

b0mbrman

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I don't know...but I'm sure we can make him skinnier

Okay, seriously though. If we were actually *in* the country, I think we could find him. The pictures and intercepted phone calls would be better off than they already are and HUMINT (Whoo! HUMINT!) would be able to poke around in there and finish the job.
 

ElFenix

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the intercepted phone calls are nonexistent because they don't make any phone calls. bin laden hasn't used a phone in 2 years. all communication is by courier carrying computer diskettes. he obviously has power somehow, but he probably has a treadmill or two to generate it. or maybe portable generators running on some sludge. HUMINT isn't going to help for a long time, we're better off relying on someone else's intelligence right now. it simply takes too long to A) find an operative B) wait for operative to rise high enough in ranks that he can tell us where that fscker is at any given time.
 

RanDum72

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The reason why the Soviets failed against the Afghans is because the U.S. has been helping the rebels. Bin Laden was a former Mujahadeen
fighter, who do you think trained him? The U.S., of course.
 

Zwingle

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The US made bin Laden....and they can unmake him. Yes, the Russians failed, but only becuse the US backed bin Laden. Now that he has decided that the US is the enemy, he will be doomed. It may take some pounding, but bin Laden will be taken out. I doubt he will ever stand trial, he will be taken out sometime during our campaign against him and his rebels. When the smoke clears, he will be found dead amongst the rest of his group. Since he is not the leader of a country, the US can legally take him out without being held accountable, unlike Saddam.
 

rudder

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Cause we gave the resistance some kick ass weapons. Mainly the stinger missile. This prevented Soviet troops from having an proper air support and left thier ground troops extremely vulnerable.
 

DDad

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Last Time I checked, the Russians went in to stay awhile. My bet is, we'll hit what we want, get out again. Please remember that (for the most part) these people were the same team that did Desert Storm. Colin Powell, in particular. In the "Powell Doctrine" he states to plan a exit strategy BEFORE you start action.
 

StageLeft

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I think that some russian military advisers will definitely be consulted with before this kicks in to high gear.
 

Tates

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For Russia, Afghanistan was their Vietnam. Without a clear mandate from the people, they didn't bring their full military capabilities to bear. Yes, the US helped by supplying stinger missles. The time was different. We feared the USSR would use Afghanistan as a stepping stone to the middle east oil fields. I think now they cooperate because of the universal threat posed by terrorism, and maybe a little bit of vengeance mixed in.

We won't make the same mistake this time.
 

ScottMac

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For my two cents: This ain't ten years ago....this is today. Technology has taken a giant leap forward since the Gulf War and the Soviet/Afganistan thing.

We'll get'm.

FWIW

Scott
 

burnedout

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There are a large number of reasons why the old Red Army failed. I partially discussed them in another thread. Without going into much detail (cause I'm at work), they are..................

Resolve
Force Protection
Leadership
Strategy
Personnel
Logistics
Outside Support

I can be very specific about each reason. Just not right now. A hint though........... Don't think of a horde of US M1 or M2s blasting the countryside. Consider quick, precision airmobile/airborne operations launched from outside the country. What we can't do is engage in a static, protracted conflict until at least enough goals have been achieved. We have so much at our disposal. Going in as a conventional force at this time, or any time, is not recommended.