The Royal Wedding

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Craig234

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So, all this property the royals have, should instead all go to, say, five 'private family dynasties' like the Waltons, the Koch brothers, the Coors family here.

THEN when it stays in a few hands in perpetuity, but is used to own even more of anything that produces income in the country, that'd be far better.

It could be like Russia without Putin, where the state assets were sold to a few 'private' hands, so that oligarchs and major organized crime now run the country.
 

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Someone accuses the "Royalists" of discriminating against other races and nationalities, then posts this; if this board had <irony> tags, you couldn't fit enough onto one page.

I completely agree, although technically what that moron posts is xenophobia not racism.
 
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Someone accuses the "Royalists" of discriminating against other races and nationalities, then posts this; if this board had <irony> tags, you couldn't fit enough onto one page.

The Royalists actually discriminate against women and religious minorities. That's a fact.
 
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So, all this property the royals have, should instead all go to, say, five 'private family dynasties' like the Waltons, the Koch brothers, the Coors family here.

THEN when it stays in a few hands in perpetuity, but is used to own even more of anything that produces income in the country, that'd be far better.

It could be like Russia without Putin, where the state assets were sold to a few 'private' hands, so that oligarchs and major organized crime now run the country.

Really, do the Waltons, Koch brothers, Coors family, etc. own ridiculous things like all wild swans in the US? I don't even see how that would be possible.

Moreover, the Waltons, Kochs, Coors, etc. at least have to pay taxes, whereas with royals it's completely optional. Moreover, let me know when the White House is shut down and then one family is allowed to stay there forever and keep everything in the Smithsonian museums and the rest of the public is no longer allowed these various things and instead must actually fund the family that stays in the White House.

Also, are these families government officials who are also part of some religious order?
 

Craig234

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Really, do the Waltons, Koch brothers, Coors family, etc. own ridiculous things like all wild swans in the US? I don't even see how that would be possible.

Moreover, the Waltons, Kochs, Coors, etc. at least have to pay taxes, whereas with royals it's completely optional. Moreover, let me know when the White House is shut down and then one family is allowed to stay there forever and keep everything in the Smithsonian museums and the rest of the public is no longer allowed these various things and instead must actually fund the family that stays in the White House.

Also, are these families government officials who are also part of some religious order?

You're really making 'debating points', not points of substance.

The Americans mentioned have done far more to harm the US, funding political agendas, than the royals have in recent decades.

They don't need to monopolize swans, when they monopolize so much money, the largest companies in the country, etc. Which affects society more?

How many taxes do each actually pay?

How much tourist revenue do those Americans bring in?

I don't need to compare the White House to the royals - but to 10 Downing.

If you have any doubt that US tycoons own vast amounts of private art, cut off from the public - much of it illegal...

As does the British museum, except at least it's available to the public.

As for a religious order, the religion of the royal family has a lot less effect on Britain than the fact that whatever it says on paper, anyone who wants to be President has to basically be a Christian, and the pandering to one faction of one religion here; we have one Muslim and one Atheist in the 535 members of Congress.

It's all a bunch of nonsense; as I said, getting rid of the royal system would basically replace it with the 'private royals' of the rich being even less public-oriented.

Quick, tell me what the Walton family, the richest in the world, has done lately for the public, while the Royals do constant public activities such as charity work.

So, we make it 'Branson Palace', owned and shut off by Sir Richard, and filled with the same crap, and cut off from the public, with louder parties. Big improvement.
 

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As for a religious order, the religion of the royal family has a lot less effect on Britain than the fact that whatever it says on paper, anyone who wants to be President has to basically be a Christian, and the pandering to one faction of one religion here; we have one Muslim and one Atheist in the 535 members of Congress.

Wow. I did not realise that, it's a very very very good point. America is far more religiously discriminatory than the UK when it comes to officials.
 
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You're really making 'debating points', not points of substance.

The Americans mentioned have done far more to harm the US, funding political agendas, than the royals have in recent decades.[/quote]

That's nice, but irrelevant. Plus, you have no proof, however horrible those people may be.

The Royals did $10 billion of damage to the UK economy in a single day and caused the GDP growth to decrease by 0.25&#37;. And that is their government recognized birthright.

Are these families that you've mentioned given official government titles that are strictly for their bloodlines? Of course not.

They don't need to monopolize swans, when they monopolize so much money, the largest companies in the country, etc. Which affects society more?

Companies come and go. Let me know when the US government gives these families titles and forces the rest of the country to recognize these titles, forces some citizens to take pledges to these families, etc.

How many taxes do each actually pay?

I don't know, but at least their taxes are not optional simply because of their bloodline.

How much tourist revenue do those Americans bring in?

Neither one of them bring any tourist revenue.

However, how many of these families are on public owned lands or buildings? Only the British royal family.

I don't need to compare the White House to the royals - but to 10 Downing.

No, you do need to compare it to the White House, because it would be as if one of these families were on an American tourist spot and living there, closing it to most of the public.


If you have any doubt that US tycoons own vast amounts of private art, cut off from the public - much of it illegal...

As does the British museum, except at least it's available to the public.

Wow, did the people pay for these families' private art collections? Nope.

But the Royal Art Collection is actually owned by the people. Moreover, only 2% of it is actually available to the public. You have no idea what you're even talking about.

It would be similar to if only one family was allowed to control the entire Smithsonian.

As for a religious order, the religion of the royal family has a lot less effect on Britain than the fact that whatever it says on paper, anyone who wants to be President has to basically be a Christian, and the pandering to one faction of one religion here; we have one Muslim and one Atheist in the 535 members of Congress.

That's nice, but it's not forced upon the people. For example, JFK was Catholic - that wouldn't even be allowed to be the British head of state just due to that one fact.

You seem to be unable of seeing the difference between private action and thought and government mandated religious and gender discrimination.

It's all a bunch of nonsense; as I said, getting rid of the royal system would basically replace it with the 'private royals' of the rich being even less public-oriented.

They already have their own 'private royals' in addition to their 'public royals.' But at least they're private royals and not government forced and mandated royals.

Quick, tell me what the Walton family, the richest in the world, has done lately for the public, while the Royals do constant public activities such as charity work.

So, we make it 'Branson Palace', owned and shut off by Sir Richard, and filled with the same crap, and cut off from the public, with louder parties. Big improvement.

Let me know when you can finally get on point. Right now you seem to be fine with discriminating against women and religious minorities. Keep up trying to justify your bigotry.

Answer these questions: Are you fine with the government having its head of state position based upon a gender and religious discriminatory practice? Are you fine with the government forcing the people to pay for one bloodline's extravagant lifestyle?
 
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The Americans mentioned have done far more to harm the US, funding political agendas, than the royals have in recent decades.

That's nice, but irrelevant. Plus, you have no proof, however horrible those people may be.

The Royals did $10 billion of damage to the UK economy in a single day and caused the GDP growth to decrease by 0.25%. And that is their government recognized birthright.

Are these families that you've mentioned given official government titles that are strictly for their bloodlines? Of course not.



Companies come and go. Let me know when the US government gives these families titles and forces the rest of the country to recognize these titles, forces some citizens to take pledges to these families, etc.



I don't know, but at least their taxes are not optional simply because of their bloodline.



Neither one of them bring any tourist revenue.

However, how many of these families are on public owned lands or buildings? Only the British royal family.



No, you do need to compare it to the White House, because it would be as if one of these families were on an American tourist spot and living there, closing it to most of the public.




Wow, did the people pay for these families' private art collections? Nope.

But the Royal Art Collection is actually owned by the people. Moreover, only 2% of it is actually available to the public. You have no idea what you're even talking about.

It would be similar to if only one family was allowed to control the entire Smithsonian.



That's nice, but it's not forced upon the people. For example, JFK was Catholic - that wouldn't even be allowed to be the British head of state just due to that one fact.



They already have their own 'private royals' in addition to their 'public royals.' But at least they're private royals and not government forced and mandated royals.



Let me know when you can finally get on point. Right now you seem to be fine with discriminating against women and religious minorities. Keep up trying to justify your bigotry.[/QUOTE]

Basically what you are saying is you are jealous that some people are born into a bloodline of superiority in some aspects, and you weren't. That's life I'm afraid, tough shit.
 

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You're really making 'debating points', not points of substance.

The Americans mentioned have done far more to harm the US, funding political agendas, than the royals have in recent decades.

They don't need to monopolize swans, when they monopolize so much money, the largest companies in the country, etc. Which affects society more?

The comparison with moguls in the US is not valid. Firstly, I didn't see any of them owning the foreshore or the continental shelf. Secondly, the -admitedly- obscenely large fortunes they have made at least were within the context of a capitalist game of 'Monopoly" where everyone can play, not based on the outright racist notion of divine birthright.

Quick, tell me what the Walton family, the richest in the world, has done lately for the public, while the Royals do constant public activities such as charity work.

Give me half the yearly allowance the royals receive and I'll give twice what they give to charity. It's not hard to do charity with other people's money.

As for a religious order, the religion of the royal family has a lot less effect on Britain than the fact that whatever it says on paper, anyone who wants to be President has to basically be a Christian, and the pandering to one faction of one religion here; we have one Muslim and one Atheist in the 535 members of Congress.

How many non Christians in royalty? None. In fact, nationalist agenda also dictates the particular christian dogma a royal must have at any given moment of his career.
 

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The Walton family is not the richest in the world. Those on Forbes lists are ones that must or decide to disclose their incomes. There is old money in the world in many families that make some of our ultra-wealthy look like paupers.
 

Craig234

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The Walton family is not the richest in the world. Those on Forbes lists are ones that must or decide to disclose their incomes. There is old money in the world in many families that make some of our ultra-wealthy look like paupers.

Why don't you list the names you think are richer? Do you have any evidence?
 

Craig234

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The comparison with moguls in the US is not valid. Firstly, I didn't see any of them owning the foreshore or the continental shelf. Secondly, the -admitedly- obscenely large fortunes they have made at least were within the context of a capitalist game of 'Monopoly" where everyone can play, not based on the outright racist notion of divine birthright.

Let's get rid of this idiocy of the word racism - it's a false and desperate attack.

All the people of the same race as the royal family not in it are equally excluded from heredity in it as people of other races. That's not "racism".

I'll chalk its use up to a mistake, but if it's continued, it becomes a lie.

Give me half the yearly allowance the royals receive and I'll give twice what they give to charity. It's not hard to do charity with other people's money.

And people would do the same with any private billionare's fortune. I'm not talking about giving money, I'm talking about working as speakers etc. to help charities.

How many non Christians in royalty? None. In fact, nationalist agenda also dictates the particular christian dogma a royal must have at any given moment of his career.

Yes. And yet, the people of Britain are less affected by the royal family's and official national religion than US citizens are by politicians catering to fundamentalists.

They have a different history. The royal family is no longer the dictator of policy it once was.

The US is *far* more controlled by its 'elite' class than Britain, royal or not. There's no 'Fox News', 'Cato/AEI/Heritage/Hoover', no corporate ownership of nearly all media.

Their concentration of wealth, once famously high as the society of class we rebelled against, can no longer compete with ours; their CEOs do not make the outrageous multiples of income of workers ours have in recent decades (we used to be similar to Britain), they don't have the extensive networked system of corruption for CEO compensation sitting on each others' boards, their finance industry doesn't dominate the government *as much* as ours (called 'Government Sachs').

They don't have the massive corrupt lobbying system ours does, between the big bucks almost *required* to win office from corrupt special interests and the hiring of so many hundreds of former legislators and staff, so that *current* 'servants of the people' know they have that coming if they do what they're asked.

If the royals were influencing public policy to harm the public interest, the way our 'economic royals' are, I'd agree more there's a problem to fix.
 
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The comparison with moguls in the US is not valid. Firstly, I didn't see any of them owning the foreshore or the continental shelf. Secondly, the -admitedly- obscenely large fortunes they have made at least were within the context of a capitalist game of 'Monopoly" where everyone can play, not based on the outright racist notion of divine birthright.

You need to understand some context here. Some liberals in the US are 'europeanized' liberals, where they basically defend anything European in their hopes of a return to a white homeland. Craig is one of these europeanized liberals.

He supports an institution that discriminates against religious minorities and women. Period. He won't even denounce this type of discrimination, which is very telling of his hatred towards women and religious minorities.

He will do anything to justify the preservation of the monarchy. He is a royalist fanatic.
 

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Interesting fact! When you reach 100yo in England you get a telegram from the Queen! :D Cool!
 

alkemyst

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Interesting fact! When you reach 100yo in England you get a telegram from the Queen! :D Cool!

And the prince shows up for surprise buttsechs when "big ben" strikes midnight.

no lube, it's proper that way.

keep a stiff upper lip, mate.
 

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And the prince shows up for surprise buttsechs when "big ben" strikes midnight.

no lube, it's proper that way.

keep a stiff upper lip, mate.

Interest fact number 2! Big ben is the name of the bell, not the clock tower.