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The Right's Conspiracy Theory: Liberal Media

There are clearly multiple posters in this forum that believe in some magical "MSM" that does all of Obama's bidding. Please explain the details of how this works.

Here's how it really works:
Leaving blogs aside, most news providers in this country are still corporations. Television media providers make money by getting advertisers to pay for commercial air time. Advertisers pay for commercial air time on networks that have viewers. How do you get viewers? You keep their attention.

Do you really think all these companies could stay in business by sucking up to Obama? Sure, they're could be room for one Fox-like channel for the left. But the entire media? Or are you conspiracy theorists thinking that Obama is paying these guys? Do you think Obama has spies that secretly run these companies?

 
Oddly enough, I remember the Clintons complaining about the right-wing media during the Clinton administration, espcially during the impeachment procedings.
 
All you need to do is look at Rathergate-- that is a classic case of "liberal bias" in the media.
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Oddly enough, I remember the Clintons complaining about the right-wing media during the Clinton administration, espcially during the impeachment procedings.


Well, Hillary complained about a "vast right-wing conspiracy". Whether that conspiracy included "right-wing media" is unclear (although I'm fairly sure she was including talk-radio in that-- perhaps the only form of media that usually explicitly has a right-wing bend).

 
Originally posted by: QED
All you need to do is look at Rathergate-- that is a classic case of "liberal bias" in the media.

That's just one anecdote that is of questionable value. What is more likely? That CBS made a mistake by rushing out false news in the hopes of attracting viewers? Or that some liberal cabal attempted to orchestrate the defeat of GWB? One has an economic/rational cause and the othe doesn't make any sense from the standpoint of a corporation.

Again, please explain in detail how this liberal bias works.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: QED
All you need to do is look at Rathergate-- that is a classic case of "liberal bias" in the media.

That's just one anecdote that is of questionable value. What is more likely? That CBS made a mistake by rushing out false news in the hopes of attracting viewers? Or that some liberal cabal attempted to orchestrate the defeat of GWB? One has an economic/rational cause and the othe doesn't make any sense from the standpoint of a corporation.

Again, please explain in detail how this liberal bias works.

Read CBS's Report of the Independent Review Panel which explains in detail how this came about-- it is classic liberal bias.

If you'd like, I can summarize-- but it all is in there.
 
I don't think you can even ask this question until you begin to understand or at least appreciate the extreme alienation felt by the right. I don't really understand it but I'm beginning to appreciate it.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122049678578298013.html

Look at some of the pro-Palin letters in here. Repeated references to elites, hateful and biased media, flyover country, and the "bubbles" surrounding NY, LA, and Washington. This is not partisan rhetoric, this is how these people actually perceive their situations, which is chilling to me. It is a not a long reach from these attitudes to believing in outright media bias.
 
Liberal MSM bias? LOL

I think they are in shock honestly. For the last 8yrs their neo-imperial-fascist agenda has been shoved down the throats of every citizen that has turned on the TV. Especially those who watched Fox during that time. Now, as the election nears and the likelyhood of a Democratic executive class increases, those media mouth pieces are trying to get in good. Playing to the power if you will. IMO, those in MSM who supplant opinion in place of the facts are nothing more than propaganda tools by the executive class, pushing their agenda.
 
Originally posted by: Blackjack200
I don't think you can even ask this question until you begin to understand or at least appreciate the extreme alienation felt by the right. I don't really understand it but I'm beginning to appreciate it.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122049678578298013.html

Look at some of the pro-Palin letters in here. Repeated references to elites, hateful and biased media, flyover country, and the "bubbles" surrounding NY, LA, and Washington. This is not partisan rhetoric, this is how these people actually perceive their situations, which is chilling to me. It is a not a long reach from these attitudes to believing in outright media bias.

C'mon... can we cut the crap for a second. Do you think there are more liberal-leaning political reporters working at the New York Times than conservative reporters? How about at the LA Times? How about at CNN? CBS? NBC?

I know a lot of them claim to be independent-- but you know as well as I do if you could get them to honestly indicate their political leanings it would be heavily tilted towards the liberal side.

In this respect, you almost really cannot blame them for the perceived liberal bias. I often find that I am asking myself, as a conservative libertarian, how I would explain a controversial subject or news item in as an objective manner as possible-- and I find no matter how hard I try I cannot completely eliminate my personal views from seeping in.

I happen to think most instances of liberal bias are "soft bias"-- simple cases where journalistic standards were not adhered to as stringintly as possible because the reporters (and/pr producer) honestly believed in the underlying story because it fit their world view. The Rathergate case is a prime example of this.
 
Originally posted by: QED

Read CBS's Report of the Independent Review Panel which explains in detail how this came about-- it is classic liberal bias.

If you'd like, I can summarize-- but it all is in there.

"[T]he Panel cannot conclude that a political agenda at 60 Minutes Wednesday drove either the timing of the airing of the Segment or its content." That speaks for itself.

In any case, let's not turn this into a thread about Rathergate. Let's assume that certain people who caused the story to air were partisan hacks. The mere fact that CBS tried to rectify the situation contradicts the idea of a liberal bias. If they were truly biased, they could just keep putting out false information about Bush. But the truth is they are a corporation who's purpose is to sell advertising, not to sink candidates.

Furthermore, this is one story. The idea of the liberal MSM is that it is wide-spread. Again, how could such a bias be widespread in a market economy?
 
Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Repeated references to elites, hateful and biased media, flyover country, and the "bubbles" surrounding NY, LA, and Washington. This is not partisan rhetoric, this is how these people actually perceive their situations, which is chilling to me. It is a not a long reach from these attitudes to believing in outright media bias.

Kind of hard not to feel that way given the smug snearing attitude of so many celebrities and other big city talking heads continually referring directly or indirectly to the 'dumb hicks out west' or 'myopic small town folk clinging to their guns or religion' or the constant shoving down their throats of the gay and feminist agenda when all these folks really want to do is raise their kids to be good, fear God, and carry on American traditions.

I mean just look at Keith Oberman or Chris Mathews for god's sake. They practically polish Barack's knob nightly with their commentary.
 
Originally posted by: brencat
I mean just look at Keith Oberman or Chris Mathews for god's sake. They practically polish Barack's knob nightly with their commentary.

I'll raise you an O'Reilly and a Hannity. Do you think the MSM is overwhelmingly biased to liberal viewpoints? If so, how do you explain it?
 
There has been a well told story about a reporter who said there were out loud laughs in news rooms when the fact that McCain picked Palin hit them.

Do you think these same news rooms would have been laughing if Obama had picked Kaine?

Adding to what QED said, something like 90% of Washington reporters admit voting Democratic. While they may do their best be non-partial the fact that they are liberal themselves certainly has to affect how they see the world.

Just look at threads on this board. To some "uppity" is a racial code word, to others it just means people acting like snobs.
We all heard/read the same statement, but we saw very different meanings in it.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: QED

Read CBS's Report of the Independent Review Panel which explains in detail how this came about-- it is classic liberal bias.

If you'd like, I can summarize-- but it all is in there.

"[T]he Panel cannot conclude that a political agenda at 60 Minutes Wednesday drove either the timing of the airing of the Segment or its content." That speaks for itself.

In any case, let's not turn this into a thread about Rathergate. Let's assume that certain people who caused the story to air were partisan hacks. The mere fact that CBS tried to rectify the situation contradicts the idea of a liberal bias. If they were truly biased, they could just keep putting out false information about Bush. But the truth is they are a corporation who's purpose is to sell advertising, not to sink candidates.

Furthermore, this is one story. The idea of the liberal MSM is that it is wide-spread. Again, how could such a bias be widespread in a market economy?


The panel explicitly says the cannot conclude there was a political agenda simply because they would have to literally get in the head of the reporters and producer who worked on the piece to prove it, and they obviously cannot do that.

And yes, CBS (as a corporation) did eventually do the right thing-- but as the Report states their initial reaction was to deny, deny, cherry-pick experts who would back up their cause, deny some more, and allow the same people who wrote and vetted the story to "investigate" the allegations that it was wrong. Of course, we were all shocked--SHOCKED!-- when they concluded they did a great job and that they stood by their story!

It wasn't until OTHER news outlets picked up on the story of the documents likely being forgeries that CBS finally relented and ordered an independent review-- but the question is, why did it take so long for CBS to get it right? I think it was because everyone at CBS that worked on the story genuinely believed that the underlying basis of the story was accurate-- i.e. it fit perfectly with their view of Bush-- and therefore, that in and of itself lent credence to the authenticity of the documents.

Like I said, I believe most bias is soft bias, where a reporter will intrinsically not question something something as much when it already fits their particular world-view. A prime illustration of this effect is this thread: Someone on DailyKos posts that Palin cut funding for special needs children by 62% her first year as governor. A reporter for CNN finds out about it somehow (maybe she's a poster there, maybe someone e-mail it to her from there), and during an interview she proceeds to drill a McCain spokesman about it. The spokesman doesn't know anything about it-- but for good reason: it's entirely false. Had the reporter bothered to look at the budget figures for herself (which are posted right on Alaska's government website) she could have debunked it herself in 5 minutes before trying to embarras a McCain spokesman.

The same behavior is further exhibited in the thread I linked--as poster after poster only read the OP, and without bothering to verify what they read for themselves (or reading further down the thread where it is debunked), they instead just post "Oh yeah... I knew that Palin was a hypocrite!" or "Figures... typical Republican!". I know posters on here are not the same thing as journalists, but journalists still suffer from the same syndrome of wanting to believe what we want to believe.

 
Time magazine has put Obama on its cover 7!!! times this year. Compared to 2 times for McCain.

link
A Rasmussen Reports survey in July found that 49 percent of voters believe most reporters are trying to help Obama. Just 14 percent believed most reporters were trying to help McCain.
So it is not just us crazy right wing posters, but half the people polled by Rasmussen who feel the same way.
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
There has been a well told story about a reporter who said there were out loud laughs in news rooms when the fact that McCain picked Palin hit them.

Do you think these same news rooms would have been laughing if Obama had picked Kaine?

Adding to what QED said, something like 90% of Washington reporters admit voting Democratic. While they may do their best be non-partial the fact that they are liberal themselves certainly has to affect how they see the world.

Just look at threads on this board. To some "uppity" is a racial code word, to others it just means people acting like snobs.
We all heard/read the same statement, but we saw very different meanings in it.

Do you have any citations to support your allegations? Again, this is just anecdotal speculation. Even assuming there is some evidence of general liberal bias in the media, by what real-world process has this come to take place?
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: brencat
I mean just look at Keith Oberman or Chris Mathews for god's sake. They practically polish Barack's knob nightly with their commentary.

I'll raise you an O'Reilly and a Hannity. Do you think the MSM is overwhelmingly biased to liberal viewpoints? If so, how do you explain it?

I believe journalists and reporters, who I'm sure we all can agree lean overwhelmingly Democratic/liberal in their worldview, tend to have a live and let live or moral-relativist philosophy of life that directly contradicts the lifestyle of traditional conservative (and yes churchgoing) Christian Americans and what we want for our children. It's a culture war. Many conservatives believe you can't have societal order without good laws. And you can't make good laws with flawed character. Religion and morality provide a solid foundation for good character as well as restraint against human vice so society can function in an orderly fashion.

Caveat: As a conservative weekly church-going Catholic, I have NO DESIRE to impose my religion on anyone or convert anyone to Christianity. So why do I get the impression that so many lefties cringe or roll their eyes when they hear the word "God" mentioned in conversation? It's when the left attempts to denegrate the traditions of conservative Americans or suggests that religion should be supplanted by a 'human rights' worldview is when the pushback from the right comes, as it should.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
There has been a well told story about a reporter who said there were out loud laughs in news rooms when the fact that McCain picked Palin hit them.

Do you think these same news rooms would have been laughing if Obama had picked Kaine?

Adding to what QED said, something like 90% of Washington reporters admit voting Democratic. While they may do their best be non-partial the fact that they are liberal themselves certainly has to affect how they see the world.

Just look at threads on this board. To some "uppity" is a racial code word, to others it just means people acting like snobs.
We all heard/read the same statement, but we saw very different meanings in it.

Do you have any citations to support your allegations? Again, this is just anecdotal speculation. Even assuming there is some evidence of general liberal bias in the media, by what real-world process has this come to take place?

Another recent example:

Paley US Weekly Magazine Cover: "Babies, Lies & Scandal"

The "LIES" on the magazine cover is meant to represent the lies being said ABOUT Palin by bloggers, but you could never tell by looking at the cover-- which gives the reader the impression that the LIES are from Palin.
 
Originally posted by: brencat
I believe journalists and reporters, who I'm sure we all can agree lean overwhelmingly Democratic/liberal in their worldview, tend to have a live and let live or moral-relativist philosophy of life.

What is your evidence that most journalists and reporters lean liberal? That is the entire question here. And if they do, why is that the case? Is there something about (social) conservatives that would prevent them from going into journalism?
 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Time magazine has put Obama on its cover 7!!! times this year. Compared to 2 times for McCain.

link

I only see 5 this year.
And to put it in perspective, here is the breakdown, according to the link at Time:
Feb 18, 2008 - Barack and Hillary
April 21, 2008 - Barack as a child with his mom
May 5, 2008 - Barack and Hillary (half of each face)
August 11, 2008 - Barack and McCain
Sept 1, 2008 - Barack

So, it appears that he's been on the cover exclusively, once
with hillary (during a tumultuous primary race), twice
and one of those times with McCain

Barack has been on the cover of Time a total of 9 times, McCain 7
 
Originally posted by: QED

Another recent example:

Paley US Weekly Magazine Cover: "Babies, Lies & Scandal"

The "LIES" on the magazine cover is meant to represent the lies being said ABOUT Palin by bloggers, but you could never tell by looking at the cover-- which gives the reader the impression that the LIES are from Palin.

Again, this is anecdotal. More importantly, the capitalist in me sees this cover differently. While you infer liberal bias, I see an attempt to create gossip. "US Weekly" is a gossip rag. What is going to get more readers? "VP candidate is a hockey mom with a good heart" or "sex and lies about sex"?

Money trumps partisanship.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
There has been a well told story about a reporter who said there were out loud laughs in news rooms when the fact that McCain picked Palin hit them.

Do you think these same news rooms would have been laughing if Obama had picked Kaine?

Adding to what QED said, something like 90% of Washington reporters admit voting Democratic. While they may do their best be non-partial the fact that they are liberal themselves certainly has to affect how they see the world.

Just look at threads on this board. To some "uppity" is a racial code word, to others it just means people acting like snobs.
We all heard/read the same statement, but we saw very different meanings in it.

Do you have any citations to support your allegations? Again, this is just anecdotal speculation. Even assuming there is some evidence of general liberal bias in the media, by what real-world process has this come to take place?
It comes from Elanor Clift
link to video
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: QED

Another recent example:

Paley US Weekly Magazine Cover: "Babies, Lies & Scandal"

The "LIES" on the magazine cover is meant to represent the lies being said ABOUT Palin by bloggers, but you could never tell by looking at the cover-- which gives the reader the impression that the LIES are from Palin.

Again, this is anecdotal. More importantly, the capitalist in me sees this cover differently. While you infer liberal bias, I see an attempt to create gossip. "US Weekly" is a gossip rag. What is going to get more readers? "VP candidate is a hockey mom with a good heart" or "sex and lies about sex"?

Money trumps partisanship.

Hmmm.. if sex and scandal sell and that is their sole enterprise, can you explain this:

Obama US Weekly Cover: "Michelle Obama: Why Barack Lovers Her"

Subtitled: "She shops at Target, loved Sex and the City, and never misses the girls' recitals. The untold romance between a down-to-earth mom and the man who calls her 'my rock'"
 
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