The right to smoke? MI group urges resturants to ignore smoking ban

[dmcowen674]

Do you think you're going to get cancer from 2nd hand smoke by breathing it in for an hour or 2 every couple weeks or so? How paranoid are you people?

Not only cigarettes should be banned but your ass too for being too stupid to live.

12-9-2010

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20025136-10391704.html

Tobacco Smoking Danger: Even One Cigarette Risky, Surgeon General Says



Bad news for "social smokers" - just one drag on that cigarette could be the one that causes your heart attack. Lung cancer is what people usually fear from smoking, and yes, that can take years to strike. But the surgeon general's 30th annual report on smoking and health says tobacco smoke begins poisoning immediately, as more than 7,000 chemicals in each puff rapidly spread through the body to cause damage to nearly every organ.

"Too often people think the occasional social cigarette is not so dangerous, when in fact this report says yes, it is," says Dr. Terry Pechacek of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


Even inhaling secondhand smoke could be enough to block the arteries and trigger a heart attack, according to the report.

"How many reports more does Congress need to have to say that cigarettes as a class of products ought to be banned?" asked well-known nicotine expert Dr. K. Michael Cummings of the Roswell Park Cancer Institute, who helped to review the report. "One-third of the patients who are in our hospital are here today because of cigarettes."

 

[Praxis1452]

Well, if you believe the typical retort, they can find another job since they have perfect job mobility.

Even if they have no job mobility, the restaurant worker shouldn't have a say in this matter. It's a bar, and bars have had smokers inside for ages. This isn't new, it's not undocumented, and the risks are well known. When they accepted the job before the change, they took it with those conditions applied.

Everyone sacrifices their health in certain ways, often to make money whether by longer hours or hazardous conditions/job-specific risks.

Especially in this case, I feel that bar workers have no convincing argument to put forward as to why the government needs to involve itself with the affairs of the bar so long as the bar was not deceptive about its working environment.

At the same time, those who choose to go to bars know the risks, and they should not turn to government to create businesses more to their liking. Whether it's healthier or not is irrelevant, as many choose smoking over the healthier alternative and yet we have not banned it altogether, though the government is certainly trying.

Most certainly I'd prefer it if businesses were forced to give me lower prices, better service, and kiss my ass, but it's not the governments job to create businesses which suit me better at the expense of consumers. While most people are not sympathetic to smokers I feel that they are getting the very short end of the stick on most new laws.

The anti-smoking crusade has existed for a long time coming, but it's gone far past advising people of their unhealthy choices and attempting to convince them to stop. It's now become some type of moral crusade justified on the basis of health, and it's sickening.

 

[Thump553]

IMO, the ban on smoking in public places is perhaps the best social improvement made in the US in the last two decades. It has greatly improved the quality of life for those of us who are not stupid enough to be slaves of Big Tobacco.

I recently attended an event at a private social club (where smoking was allowed in the bar, but not the reception hall). For the few hours we stayed it was an in the face reminder of the bad old days. Yes, the smoke permeated even the nonsmoking areas.

My favorite whine is smokers complaining about the vast majority of us forcing health choices on them. As if they have the right to poison the rest of us.

The ONLY good thing about tobacco is the sin tax and the money it squeezes out of fools before we have to pay for their hospitalization.

 

[Vette73]

HaI am sure there will be plenty of lawyers that would help the workers of these places show the owners how wrong they are.

 

[PokerGuy]

Throw them in jail, fine them, whatever. There is no inherent right to harm others around you with your filthy habit.

 

[nobodyknows]

Remove the smoking ban, but then allow for quick easy civil trials for those smoking near non smokers for damaging clothes and their health!

The point is that one should be able to go to a bar where the owner allows smoking. No one is forcing anyone else to drink OR work there.

 

[nobodyknows]

Throw them in jail, fine them, whatever. There is no inherent right to harm others around you with your filthy habit.

There is no inherent right for non-smokers to prevent bar owners from deciding whether or not they want to allow smoking in THEIR establishment.

 

[preCRT]

Some of the views in this thread lead me to wonder if smoking makes people stupid.

 

[PokerGuy]

There is no inherent right for non-smokers to prevent bar owners from deciding whether or not they want to allow smoking in THEIR establishment.

Congress and the courts decided long time ago that they DO have the right to tell you and anyone else what is / is not allowed in an establishment (no discrimination etc). Given that the government already regulates what the owner of the establishment is allowed to do, adding a common sense regulation against a deadly toxic product makes sense.

 

[PokerGuy]

Some of the views in this thread lead me to wonder if smoking makes people stupid.

Correlation between smoking and IQ and other metrics is well established. Correlation =/= causation though.

 

[Phokus]

I remember when i lived in Boston and they enacted a smoking ban, business for bar/club owners actually went up because non-smokers who stayed away because of the smoke started going again.

 

[Phokus]

Second hand smoke is not addictive, and show me actual proof it is a serious health risk. Hell, even a minor health risk from say a few hours at a night club. I think the person next to you using their cell phone is a greater health risk than smoking. Only difference is, cell phones are not uncomfortable to be around.

Penn & Teller did a bullshit episode on second hand smoking and actually reversed course when a new study showed that second hand smoke is bad for you.

 

[piasabird]

In some states with Blue Laws or states that use to have blue laws like Kansas, that would organize their business as a private club and require patrons to purchase a membership making it a private buisiness. This is how places of business like bars got around laws which did not allow drinking on sunday.

 

[piasabird]

Even with smoking bans they started doing things like allowing smoking on porches attached to businesses. So the businesses would cover the attached porches/balconies, bring in heaters and maybe even have recractible roofs, just so they could get around these smoking bans.

I think smoking is evil and everyone that smokes is ignorant. It serves no good purpose other than to make tax money for the Government.

 

[TechAZ]

Not only cigarettes should be banned but your ass too for being too stupid to live.

12-9-2010

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20025136-10391704.html

Tobacco Smoking Danger: Even One Cigarette Risky, Surgeon General Says



Bad news for "social smokers" - just one drag on that cigarette could be the one that causes your heart attack. Lung cancer is what people usually fear from smoking, and yes, that can take years to strike. But the surgeon general's 30th annual report on smoking and health says tobacco smoke begins poisoning immediately, as more than 7,000 chemicals in each puff rapidly spread through the body to cause damage to nearly every organ.

"Too often people think the occasional social cigarette is not so dangerous, when in fact this report says yes, it is," says Dr. Terry Pechacek of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


Even inhaling secondhand smoke could be enough to block the arteries and trigger a heart attack, according to the report.

"How many reports more does Congress need to have to say that cigarettes as a class of products ought to be banned?" asked well-known nicotine expert Dr. K. Michael Cummings of the Roswell Park Cancer Institute, who helped to review the report. "One-third of the patients who are in our hospital are here today because of cigarettes."

This study is bullshit, and so is the Surgeon General. Wait, why am I trying to argue with the "science". I would actually be happy if it were true, then the millions of people can sue the gov't for putting us in more danger than anything else known to man due to not banning cigarettes.

Now go fetch me some vinegar and don't forget your ID.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Fuck all you non-smoking pieces of shit who think a private business owner doesn't have the right to allow smokers into their establishment just because you don't like smoke. Go somewhere else or shut the fuck up.

Sounds like you need to go have a smoke and calm the fuck down.

 

[Praxis1452]

I remember when i lived in Boston and they enacted a smoking ban, business for bar/club owners actually went up because non-smokers who stayed away because of the smoke started going again.

Then the business owners can keep it non smoking and there is no need for a law. I'm sure this wasn't the case for many bars.

 

[Praxis1452]

IMO, the ban on smoking in public places is perhaps the best social improvement made in the US in the last two decades. It has greatly improved the quality of life for those of us who are not stupid enough to be slaves of Big Tobacco.

I recently attended an event at a private social club (where smoking was allowed in the bar, but not the reception hall). For the few hours we stayed it was an in the face reminder of the bad old days. Yes, the smoke permeated even the nonsmoking areas.

My favorite whine is smokers complaining about the vast majority of us forcing health choices on them. As if they have the right to poison the rest of us.

The ONLY good thing about tobacco is the sin tax and the money it squeezes out of fools before we have to pay for their hospitalization.

Then you don't have to go to the club. Don't like the food? Don't go to a restaurant. Don't like smoke and feel that it's not worth it to go to the bar, don't go. Why should government make businesses cater to you? How about all bars must allow smoking. I'm sure many would be angry about that. It's the same thing. You will cite health reasons but you're original post speaks volumes. It's not about health, it's about your comfort and fuck everyone else.

 

[IronWing]

fuck everyone else.

The smokers' motto.

 

[Zebo]

And the people who work in that environment 40 to 60 hours a week? You don't give a fuck about them do you?

Stop driving. Especially if you live in Southern Cal. I can't even visit my parents without eyes watering and getting stuffed up. Freedom has risks. Same goes for anything. Guns. Driving. Drinking. Sex. etc.

Zebo's never smoked a cigarette and only two MJ cigs but guess what I don't go into bars expecting a smoke free environment either so I usually stay away. Freedom of choice yo

 

[JSt0rm]

Stop driving. Especially if you live in Southern Cal. I can't even visit my parents without eyes watering and getting stuffed up. Freedom has risks. Same goes for anything. Guns. Driving. Drinking. Sex. etc.

Zebo's never smoked a cigarette and only two MJ cigs but guess what I don't go into bars expecting a smoke free environment either so I usually stay away. Freedom of choice yo

Well the government is also limiting exhaust fumes and what not. We do what we can and we can stop people from destroying the immediate environment of those around them.

 

[theeedude]

People engaging in civil disobedience by breaking the law should be ready to get arrested for what they believe in.

 

[matt0611]

Well the government is also limiting exhaust fumes and what not. We do what we can and we can stop people from destroying the immediate environment of those around them.

Smoking only "destroys" the immediate (and private) environment, it doesn't pollute the whole city.

 

[Praxis1452]

The smokers' motto.

Your response is not even a complete sentence.

It is yet another example of a person who was alienated by a bar owner's choice to allow smoking. But hey, you're gonna get them back, make the bar owner serve your own group without regard to others, specifically, the owner.

Why is it wrong for a smoker to smoke in a bar that allows it? Smokers smoke where it's allowed, but there is no rallying cry against the owners of bars.

Fuck, you.

Edit: I don't smoke but this specific entitlement is bullshit. A bar is not your home. It's not a need in any way.

 

[piasabird]

If smokers have children they should be arrested and charged with Child abuse for smoking in their own house.