I don't have the money, I am not a rich Republican like you are.
Are you going to buy it for me, then I'll gladly drive the hybrid.
I don't have the money, I am not a rich Republican like you are.
Are you going to buy it for me, then I'll gladly drive the hybrid.
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I don't have the money, I am not a rich Republican like you are.
Are you going to buy it for me, then I'll gladly drive the hybrid.
But somehow you could afford a steam powered van if it existed. :roll:
Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I don't have the money, I am not a rich Republican like you are.
Are you going to buy it for me, then I'll gladly drive the hybrid.
But somehow you could afford a steam powered van if it existed. :roll:
It's called Car Payments. I know, a concept the Rich like you have no idea what that is.
Well, you certainly have the meaningless quips ready for your career in politics! You sound just like The Man!
Stunt
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Our economy has prospered significantly with the expansion of cheap, reliable fuel. It was known from the start oil wouldn't last forever; hell didn't they call for end of oil in 20 years like 40 years ago?
I'm a firm believer that this time oil consumption will far exceed production even with extensive exploration efforts. Fact of the matter is, we as a society will need to innovate to survive, just as we did with agriculture...developing new technology will allow us to sustain our way of life for the next couple centuries.
Government mandated low energy costs will just encourage more wasteful consumption, no alternative fuel sources and back to the same old way of life that got us here to begin with. Sure the profits of oil companies are huge, but when you consider the shear volume and rarity of their product; these profits are not out of the norm. Software, healthcare, pharma, military, almost every industry has higher profit margins than oil companies. Fortunately these companies are digging their own grave; the higher the prices, the less people consume, the more people adapt to accomodate their new environment.
In the end I find it strange that liberals are against big oil for their high prices, yet advocate alternate fuels like wind and solar. I will tell you right now the ONLY way these technologies will get developed is if the price of oil increases. Not only will you have the ethical people on your side, but the economists, finacial people...a beautiful thing for an environmentalist.
In the end this will be the next frontier of growth; the energy revolution...just as the world wars have simulated our economies in the past, this will give us a little hit on the short term, but turn into something we cannot afford as a society to delay. Also, you act as though energy is only affecting the US economy; fact of the matter is, of all the nations in the world; the US is in the best position to bid the highest price for this limited resource.
Sorry, 2,000 plus soldiers lives and $400 Billion dollars and rising, is too high of a price to pay for the Oil Barons Black Gold.
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Debating whether I should respond to this...I've always respected you enough to always seriously consider your posts, it's too bad you think my views are derived from mere short term monetary gain.
Oil companies had no role in the Iraq invasion; don't get me wrong, I agree the Iraq war cost far too much, but your conclusions are quite misguided.
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No its not. You can say it is, like the many others who pay lip service to that end.
But facts speak otherwise.
Imagine, for a moment, in the absence of oil, that some kind soul supplies every person in the city nearest to you with a rifle and then tells them to go hunt for food and water. How long do you reckon that it would take before one of them got to your place and got into a firefight over your pond ? 8)
Of course, you are probably just kill em all to defend your turf, I am wondering if you mine lead to make your own bullets though.
Mass transportation *is* essential to the US as a whole now - people have bred in numbers so large that a complete lack of oil or suitable substitute would lead to widespread anarchy and death by starvation. Tens of millions of people live a distance that would take days to walk from the nearest location suitable for growing crops.
Again, reading this thread demonstrates why the GOP won 81% of counties in 2004, and the Democrats carried the top 10 richest zip codes. Keep throwing sticks and stones liberals, you offer no solutions to anything except arguing and complaining.
umbrella39
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Originally posted by: umbrella39
He's right.
You can't bash and bash without offering any solution(s).
Writing the Republicans off as "Oil Barons" wears pretty thin rather quickly.
Particularly when we look at companies like Occidental Petroleum. I wonder if anyone could tell me who's family is at the base?
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: umbrella39
He's right.
You can't bash and bash without offering any solution(s).
Writing the Republicans off as "Oil Barons" wears pretty thin rather quickly.
Particularly when we look at companies like Occidental Petroleum. I wonder if anyone could tell me who's family is at the base?
Can't tell you right off who's family is at the base....but can tell you that there are a couple of life-long Repubs on the board. One that served under pappy and one that served under Jr.......what's your point?
Board of Oxy
Didn't like the first Google results, eh?
I'll give you a hint on the answer to my question: he's a former vice president.
My point is that labelling Republicans as "Oil Barons" is hypocritical, at the very least.
Originally posted by: Pabster
Didn't like the first Google results, eh?
I'll give you a hint on the answer to my question: he's a former vice president.
My point is that labelling Republicans as "Oil Barons" is hypocritical, at the very least.
I gave you the first Google result. Nice try though. I did read something about Al Gore Sr. (not sure when he served as VP though) having some involvement. Maybe you can educate me further and show this proof that you are implying that you have that the Gore family is "at the base" of Oxy. Oh, maybe you ought to be aware that oil/gas companies gave 73% of all of their donations to Republicans (17 of the top 20 receipiants were Rs and 80% of the top 50 are also) and at the top of the list since 1998......GWB.
Funny, you would think that Gore would be up there since he ran for president in 2000 and has a "family at the base" of an oil company.....he doesn't even make the list.
Source
Pabster diverts....and it brought back on course. Care to try again at who is benefiting from oil money and who is dolling out the favors in return?
Al Gore, Sr. died and left all his shares to Jr.
The Gore Connection to Occidental is no myth, it is reality.
Al Gore And Big Oil
Interesting that the link you offer provides no data on Occidental. You'd think they could find data...
Newsmax again?
They have been shown to be, time and time again, less than truthful in their reporting. Try again.
Edit: Here is the Oxy data. Notice the trend of over 66% going to Repubs? Notice you DO NOT see Al Gore listed as being in the list of top receipiants? Notice that Bush is the top individual donor?
But, but, but.....Clinton...I mean Gore....
Checkmate.
They have been shown to be, time and time again, less than truthful in their reporting. Try again.
Edit: Here is the Oxy data. Notice the trend of over 66% going to Repubs? Notice you DO NOT see Al Gore listed as being in the list of top receipiants? Notice that Bush is the top individual donor?
But, but, but.....Clinton...I mean Gore....
Checkmate.
Newsmax has been cited several times as a source for various threads here, trying to deny the credibility isn't going to work.
I didn't say anything about campaign contributions
I'm talking profit from Oil. What do you think all those Gore shares of Occidental might be worth?
No one mentioned Clinton here, either. Nice obfuscation attempt.
You lost.
umbrella39
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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: umbrella39
He's right.
You can't bash and bash without offering any solution(s).
Writing the Republicans off as "Oil Barons" wears pretty thin rather quickly.
Particularly when we look at companies like Occidental Petroleum. I wonder if anyone could tell me who's family is at the base?
I didn't bash any republicans in this thread. Only oil companies for not fixing prices during the huge gas hike during the wake of Katrina. I am well aware that both republicans and democrats own huge stakes in oil companies. Regardless of who they are, they are still pricks for not setting aside one week of huge profits as a sign of, "Hey thanks for buying our product for so many years, we recognize this and will not raise prices to $4 a gallon the day following Katrina since that gas already in the tanks under your local filling station is no more or less expensive today than it was yesterday". But I live in Dearborn where every gas station is owned by someone of Arabic descent and I am pretty sure they just raised the prices to whatever the hell they felt like raising them to regardless of what prices were coming down from the big boys. Not to mention raising them 3 or 4 times a day which as far as I know, is illegal.
Your story about doom and gloom is cute but doesnt really change anything regarding oil being vital for survival.
Originally posted by: Pabster
Newsmax has been cited several times as a source for various threads here, trying to deny the credibility isn't going to work.
I didn't say anything about campaign contributions
I'm talking profit from Oil. What do you think all those Gore shares of Occidental might be worth?
No one mentioned Clinton here, either. Nice obfuscation attempt.
You lost.
You are right, YOU have cited Newsmax many times on here. And many times, they have been proven to be less than credible by either giving misleading information, not quoting any sources or just plain out twisting the story to be something that it isn't.
Once again, where is any kind of EVIDENCE OR PROOF that Gore had stock in Oxy and was profiting as much as you say. I'm sure that, as a private citizen now, he has a pretty diversified portfolio. But as VP, he released his financial statements and tax returns. Why don't you try to find a reputable source citing those as their basis for the claim that Gore was making a killing from Oxy while VP and not some Newsmax half-truth-spin-to-make-the-left-look-bad piece of OPINION piece.
The Clinton reference was a joke based on your history of seemingly always bringing him into threads about Bush where he has no place in. If you notice, I made a reference to you bringing in Clinton, then realizing that you were trying to do that same thing with Gore instead. But your old habit just got in the way. Boy....jokes sure do lose a lot when you have to explain them to people that just don't get them.
Thanks for playing
NewsMax has been cited by others as well. Here Are The Gore Follies
There's some nice Occidental information about half way through.
I brought Gore and Occidental to light, mainly to refute Dave's ridiculous "Republicans Are Oil Barons" nonsense he spouts on a near-daily basis. But seeing as how quite a few here seem to agree with Dave (at least on this point) it is only fair to hear "the other side of the story". Or do you enjoy only hearing the side that benefits your cause?
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