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The reason Intel is not producing hot chips anymore

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Shivansps said:
You can do a field test if you want, stop random people on the street and ask them if they whould like a android phone that is also have ubuntu for using with a monitor/keyboard/mouse, im sure more of the replies will be "what is ubuntu?", "i dont known to use it".... etc
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Regarding Ubuntu phone as a dockable desktop OS, yes I agree it probably will not see widespread acceptance in a place like the US (any time soon).

.....But elsewhere in the world something like that might be very useful to have. However, it really depends on the price of the phone and hardware. If the "workhorse phone" for office use is utilitarian enough and inexpensive enough I'll bet a lot of people might want to spring for that.
 
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Computer Bottleneck said:
Regarding the cheap phone chips, I'm really interested to see how they will run this:

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That is so sexy :wub:

Just a little faster and a bit better graphics support and so many people would have no need for a home PC, laptop, tablet, etc., none of it. Just a couple dummy touch screens and various preferred input devices.

No wonder everyone is scrambling for the mobile chip crown.
 
monkeydelmagico said:
That is so sexy :wub:

Just a little faster and a bit better graphics support and so many people would have no need for a home PC, laptop, tablet, etc., none of it. Just a couple dummy touch screens and various preferred input devices.

No wonder everyone is scrambling for the mobile chip crown.
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Sweet, now run AC4 on it, full settings. Oh wait...
 
In the following Interview Mark Shuttleworth believes he will reach convergence with Ubuntu before Microsoft does.

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/intervi...worth-interview-taking-ubuntu-beyond-desktops

Q. How long will Ubuntu remain primarily focused on the desktop?

A. If you look at the design work we’ve done across desktops, phones and tablets, we’ve done it specifically so we can converge them into one codebase. The mobile code we’re working on now is also the future desktop codebase: your phone can give you a desktop, since it has all the desktop code sitting on it.

The actual convergence will happen some time during the next major cycle – it won’t be in 14.04, but it could be in 14.10 or 15.04. We believe we’ll be able to deliver that before Microsoft manages to converge Windows on mobile and PC, which the company has said is its goal from a design and development perspective.
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Quote: "Intel requires that any new microarchitectural feature introduced has to increase performance by 2% for every 1% increase in power consumption."

Is this true? I thought it was 2% increase in power consumption for every 1% increase in performance, but with Atom it was lowered to 1/1.

Source for why I thought that: Intel's Atom Architecture: The Journey Begins.
 
witeken said:
Quote: "Intel requires that any new microarchitectural feature introduced has to increase performance by 2% for every 1% increase in power consumption."

Is this true? I thought it was 2% increase in power consumption for every 1% increase in performance, but with Atom it was lowered to 1/1.

Source for why I thought that: Intel's Atom Architecture: The Journey Begins.
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I won't comment on what the actual metric is but to open up some discussion.

The Intel Atom was the first Intel CPU to redefine the rule of thumb and now the requirement is that a designer may add a feature if it yields a 1% increase in performance for at most a 1% increase in power consumption. It's a pretty revolutionary change and it's one that will be seen in other Intel architectures as well (Nehalem comes to mind), but Atom was the first.
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He references Nehalem which was released back in 2007. So it's very possible that the metrics have changed over 5 years ago.
 
I was searching on Google myself and I found this: Intel’s Silvermont Architecture Revealed: Getting Serious About Mobile - Sensible Scaling: OoO Atom Remains Dual-Issue

If I had to describe Intel’s design philosophy with Silvermont it would be sensible scaling. We’ve seen this from Apple with Swift, and from Qualcomm with the Krait 200 to Krait 300 transition. Remember the design rule put in place back with the original Atom: for every 2% increase in performance, the Atom architects could at most increase power by 1%. In other words, performance can go up, but performance per watt cannot go down. Silvermont maintains that design philosophy, and I think I have some idea of how.
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So there are 2 possibilities: there is a typo in the Atom article or he remembered the rule change incorrectly.

Since I found another, earlier article where he wrote the same thing, I suspect there is a mistake in the Atom article: Intel's Medfield & Atom Z2460 Arrive for Smartphones: It's Finally Here - The CPU

Atom's architects, similar to those who worked on Nehalem, had the same 2:1 mandate: every new feature added to the processor's design had to deliver at least a 2% increase in performance for every 1% increase in power consumption.
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That feel when you've held the performance crown for so long(And will most likely continue to do so with the death of the FX Line) and still people aren't satisfied with your accomplishments.

Only intel knows those feels.....
 
witeken said:
Skylake is 2 minutes ago confirmed by Brian krzanich to be released in H2 2015 (in Q1 conference call).
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And given that it is a proper architectural overhaul (unlike Broadwell), Intel will have plenty of motivation to push it on the desktop. Should be good.
 
CHADBOGA said:
It will be interesting to see if Skylake is a bigger or lesser gain, than Haswell was over Sandy Bridge. :hmm:
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As far as I know, the hype around Skylake is already quite high. Since both Haswell and the 22nm node were mainly focused on mobile, I think the chances of Skylake being more interesting than Haswell (as far as desktop CPUs are concerned) are high.
 
CHADBOGA said:
It will be interesting to see if Skylake is a bigger or lesser gain, than Haswell was over Sandy Bridge. :hmm:
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Since the introduction of Conroe, the more substantial Core architecture revisions -- Conroe and Sandy Bridge -- have been the work of Intel's Haifa team. The Hillsboro team has typically introduced updates that were more substantial on a platform level -- Nehalem and Haswell. Skylake is allegedly being developed by Intel's Haifa team again, so it's expected to be a bigger improvement.

Or so the saying goes. The sample size is too small (4 major revisions is not enough to draw a firm conclusion), and the real details behind who does what at Intel aren't really public.
 
I think Skylake will be disappointing to the enthusiast community. I just don't think the enthusiast community will EVER be satisfied with what Intel is doing. But that's ok. Intel isn't here to please the smallest minority of processor buyers. They want to continue to be a major player in the market and that means moving with the times.

They already produce the fastest chips. No reason to compete with themselves. They now need the best Perf/Wattage as well as being able to make chips cheap as well.
 
tential said:
I think Skylake will be disappointing to the enthusiast community. I just don't think the enthusiast community will EVER be satisfied with what Intel is doing. But that's ok. Intel isn't here to please the smallest minority of processor buyers. They want to continue to be a major player in the market and that means moving with the times.
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So then, do you believe Intel stuffed up with Conroe, Nehalem & Sandy Bridge?

They already produce the fastest chips. No reason to compete with themselves.
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There is every reason to compete with themselves.

Otherwise the installed base just hang on to what they have & Intel's fabs sit idle.

Idle fabs are very expensive.
 
CHADBOGA said:
So then, do you believe Intel stuffed up with Conroe, Nehalem & Sandy Bridge?


There is every reason to compete with themselves.

Otherwise the installed base just hang on to what they have & Intel's fabs sit idle.

Idle fabs are very expensive.
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Are you saying that 90% of PC users need a faster CPU to check their facebook/twitter/email?

Intel can come out with a faster CPU, it's not going to make the VAST MAJORITY of people upgrade. The only people who will upgrade will be tech enthusiasts on forums. A small minority of the market. And guess what? Tech Enthusiasts normally upgrade anyway just because they're ENTHUSIASTS.

In fact, I can't get my parents, my friends, or family members to consider upgrading their PC's and none are recent (within the last 2-3 years).
This is just a classic case of the tech enthusiast being way out of touch with the casual consumer. I know what the casual consumer wants because none of my friends/family are tech enthusiasts. I'm the only one. Most of my friends don't even know I am a tech enthusiast actually.

Intel is competing, just not on SPEED anymore. They're racing to get chips into smaller and smaller devices. That's what the race is now. The performance race isn't as important as it used to be.
 
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I don't think the PC is going away, but will merely change form.

There are too many things people do on a full-on PC with a mouse and keyboard that is extremely difficult to do with a touch screen interface.

For example, typing this post. Or, doing your taxes. Yes it can be done on a tablet, but it is a serious pain in the rear and very time consuming, also prone to errors.

Now if we get tablets powerful enough and with enough connectivity to replace the laptop in a desktop environment, then it will probably appear that the PC is dead.

That could happen, but I'm a bit leery of it. Windows 8 is, to me, a flop because it isolated not just the "PC", but **desktop usage**. I don't care how much connectivity you put into a Windows 8 laptop, I do not want to use it to do any serious work on the desktop. It's too much of a PITA.

MS really blew it in my mind. They should have made their new OS able to detect "im in desktop mode, go to a full on normal desktop for productivity" or "im in tablet mode, so make this nice touch UI for tablet use active".

They didn't do that, they threw the baby out with the bath water and now they're likely to pay a heavy price.
 
monkeydelmagico said:
That is so sexy :wub:

Just a little faster and a bit better graphics support and so many people would have no need for a home PC, laptop, tablet, etc., none of it. Just a couple dummy touch screens and various preferred input devices.

No wonder everyone is scrambling for the mobile chip crown.
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Motorla tried it and it didn't get much traction. I like the idea but I'd be very leery of keeping that much stuff on my phone (not that they have that kind of capacity, yet) :

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