The real reason you see so many typos and grammatical errors in Journalism (articles)

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Why 'Amercia' needs copy editors
By Merrill Perlman, Special to CNN
updated 10:15 PM EDT, Fri June 1, 2012


There might be some irony here, given the comment Romney made to the American Society of News Editors in April: "Frankly, in some of the new media, I find myself missing the presence of editors to exercise quality control.

Romney, like so many others, needs a copy editor. And Romney, like so many others, is apparently working without one.

People reading newspapers and news sites can empathize. They're seeing lots of typos, as well as errors of grammar, fact and logic — many more than they would have seen before news organizations decided that they did not need so many copy editors. No other job classification has suffered so many losses as the news business downsizes (except, perhaps, for classified ad takers, who have been craigsdelisted).

Although it is anecdotal that there are more errors, the evidence is certainly there: At the American Copy Editors Society, Charles Apple blogs regularly about all those who need a copy editor. Sadly, there's no shortage of material, in news reports and beyond.

Typos can be funny: Who wouldn't want to graduate from the Lyndon B. Johnson School of Pubic Affairs? Though, if the stories are true, his predecessor had a lot more pubic affairs than LBJ did.

While we're in the nether regions, look at the second photograph in the gallery above. How about a martini from this Phoenix restaurant? Don't see it? Look closely at the ingredient after "Apple Pucker." (All together now: "Ewwwww!")

Other photos in the gallery show that everyone needs an editor. NBC's Lester Holt needed one when a story about a viral video marriage proposal was identified as "The Propsal." Wal-Mart needed one when the information on a box that was supposed to be in Spanish read "Spanish here" instead

And, yes, CNN sometimes needs editors, as you can see in a news ticker on a breaking news story that said "yujyujyujyujyuj..."

And The New York Times, where I worked for 25 years, has copy editors but seems to need them online. "Mormon" as "moron" in a headline? It happened.
Copy editors provide a safety net for a publication, catching most of the problematic stuff dropped from above. They are a curious breed: trivia experts, steeped in popular culture (helpful for pun headlines, none of which Google gets), usually voracious readers, often unappreciated.

A copy editor's work is largely invisible, until she misses something, in which case she takes the blame. But most important is that a copy editor stands in for the reader, gingerly reshaping, clarifying and correcting things before the reader can see them and post an excoriating comment.

But more and more publications are laying off their copy editors, replacing them with Web designers or more reporters, or with nothing. Or they're consolidating copy editors (and designers) in "hubs" far away from their audiences, where they can't catch a reporter who misspells Dan Smyth's name as Smith.

Websites, even those of print or broadcast properties, often have no one. One site that specializes in gossip originally had a copy editor but laid her off, one of its editors told me, "because she just slowed things down." Sorry, but would the world even know if that story on the pregnancy of (celebrity name here) was posted a minute later because someone had to correct the number of kids already borne by (celebrity name here)?

"Digital first" often translates as "show the reader the finger."

So why are so many news organizations giving up on copy editors? Money, of course. Given the choice between having to give up reporters or give up copy editors, reporters will win nearly every time because they provide "content." By the way, didn't we once call it "information"? "Content" sounds so ... commercial.

Copy editors "merely" prepare content, some publishers say, and don't we have Web editors to do that? Yes, but many don't have the training or inclination -- or time -- to pay attention to the content. Their main role is to drive traffic to the site, even if the content is bad.

One reason given for eliminating copy editors is that reporters can simply "proofread" themselves better. But no one can read something he wrote as well as someone else can. Anyone who's sent off an email beginning "Dead Bob ..." knows that. And many reporters simply rely on spell check, witch wont ketch wards spilled rite, butt knot yews wright.

Few publications that are laying off editors are training their remaining staffers to edit themselves better. And proofreading is perhaps the least important purpose of copy editing.

Another stated reason for not having copy editors is that readers don't care about typos. If that's true, why is there so much ridicule about them? How many comments say things like "where were the editors?" Besides, emerging research shows that readers view edited news more positively than they view unedited news.

Perhaps the most misguided reason for not having copy editors is "reader engagement." After all, readers will spot mistakes, which then can be corrected quickly. Yes, it is a great advantage to be able to correct things quickly, but isn't it a greater advantage to not make the mistake in the first place, rather than have it ricochet around the Internet, and have readers think less of your publication?

Can you name one other business whose quality control consists of "Well, we'll just send it into the market and see who complains"? If another consumer brand did that, there would be lawsuits.

Copy editors are the quality control experts. Let them inspect.

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Can you name one other business whose quality control consists of "Well, we'll just send it into the market and see who complains"?.

Just four forums up from here they'll have an answer to that!
 

twinrider1

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Amen. One of my biggest pet peeves. Speed is king, accuracy be damned.
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I'm pretty happy with the state of news. There's more mistakes because more people are doing news. I'd rather have 1,000 hacks, and be presented with numerous ideas and concepts, rather than a few carefully curated articles that leave most of the world uncovered.
 

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Sounds about right. I've lost count of the number of times I let dumb typos/grammatical errors slip despite proofreading twice. Second set of eyes would help. I also let a lot of typos go from other people because of this...

Don't see it improving though. Race to be first means no one can spare a minute for someone to proofread anything.
 

Jeff7

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Its fine, the computer has the spell check feature, which to catch any erroneous mistake problems. We can safe money that way, write?




Can you name one other business whose quality control consists of "Well, we'll just send it into the market and see who complains"?
A lot of the software industry?
 

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It really is about speed. If they take the time to proofread an article and edit it then ten blogs break the story first. The whole model has crumbled into the dust and all the old structures are basically becoming irrelevant as fast as their dwindling capital reserves allow.
 

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I found that journalism (e.g. newspapers) to always have been short in the English department skills. But adding that condition to a growing population of illiterates entering said workforces just makes the problem geometric.

You can learn a lot from a dummy ...
 

Leros

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Makes sense to me. In today's world, the first agency to put the article up gets all the attention, so getting the article up faster is more important than having quality writing or fact-checking.
 

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I found that journalism (e.g. newspapers) to always have been short in the English department skills. But adding that condition to a growing population of illiterates entering said workforces just makes the problem geometric.

You can learn a lot from a dummy ...

In a decade, imagine the text and lol speak in digital news articles.
 

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It really is about speed. If they take the time to proofread an article and edit it then ten blogs break the story first. The whole model has crumbled into the dust and all the old structures are basically becoming irrelevant as fast as their dwindling capital reserves allow.

i see it in plenty of places where speed isn't a premium, too. AT and dailytech, for example.
 

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It really is about speed. If they take the time to proofread an article and edit it then ten blogs break the story first. The whole model has crumbled into the dust and all the old structures are basically becoming irrelevant as fast as their dwindling capital reserves allow.

They should still have an editing process, even if it involves editing the article after posting it.

I see a lot of articles where they post a few sentences to get the story out and then updating it piecemeal as they learn more information.
 

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Makes sense to me. In today's world, the first agency to put the article up gets all the attention, so getting the article up faster is more important than having quality writing or fact-checking.

It's gotten to the point where every breaking story becomes "WGTFSDFG has just announced, <repeat someone else's story>" by every broadcasting agency within seconds or minutes. Can't believe that's allowed...
 

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It's gotten to the point where every breaking story becomes "WGTFSDFG has just announced, <repeat someone else's story>" by every broadcasting agency within seconds or minutes. Can't believe that's allowed...

I hate it when blogs just link to each other.

Blog A has a few sentence blurb and links to the Blog B.
Blog B has a few sentence blurb and links to Blog C.
Blog C has a few sentence blurb and links to the actual source.
 

lupi

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What I don't get is why so many articles go up with problems that a simple F7 would have noticed.
 

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I'm pretty happy with the state of news. There's more mistakes because more people are doing news. I'd rather have 1,000 hacks, and be presented with numerous ideas and concepts, rather than a few carefully curated articles that leave most of the world uncovered.

I wouldn't say more people are doing news. I'd say we have 1000 hacks. Some are presenting ideas and concepts and most are presenting crap. There's Sum Ting Wong with journalism today.
 

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Every new MBA knows that copy editors are a cost not a feature.

Uno
 
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Its fine, the computer has the spell check feature, which to catch any erroneous mistake problems. We can safe money that way, write?

:biggrin:

As a young 'un, I was a spelling whiz. Fast forward to the present, not so much. Early onset dementia? I used to often wonder, but thankfully, 3 minutes later I'd forget all about it. ;)

Then it hit me! My spelling (and grammar and vocabulary) was so good as a kid because I read widely. And everything I read was meticulously copy edited before it was printed.

But now, 90% of my reading is on the net, where "close enough" is the mantra. Just as "you are what your eat" pertains, you are what you read also does. GIGO. :(
 

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i see it in plenty of places where speed isn't a premium, too. AT and dailytech, for example.

That's true, so when it's not about speed it's about money. Proofreading is actually not that common a skill. Most people skip quickly through text getting the gist. Reading and considering the form of every word is something else altogether. Anyway, the bottom line is that editing is no longer part of the cost components of most publishing operations, from books on down. I guess they figure that stuff on the net can always be corrected later.
 

Lonyo

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The person who wrote the article needs to proofread it. Simple as that.

Simple as that except that doesn't work for various reasons. One being that you don't usually look in as much depth at your own stuff because you know what it says, so it's easier to miss things.

Fresh eyes are almost always more beneficial than you looking over your own work.
 

Tsavo

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The person who wrote the article needs to proofread it. Simple as that.

I worked at a newspaper for a bit after college.

Nearly everyone makes bloopers, and a second set of eyes is helpful for catching what should be obvious.

Also, copy editors should be standard at any respectable publication. Not all journalists can write worth a pinch.

I replaced the EIC's business cards with identical ones, but with a subtle difference. Editor-in-cheif. It took him more than a few days to notice.
 

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I'm pretty happy with the state of news. There's more mistakes because more people are doing news. I'd rather have 1,000 hacks, and be presented with numerous ideas and concepts, rather than a few carefully curated articles that leave most of the world uncovered.


Should be "There are", not "There is" (there's).

You need a good copy editor.