the real reason Israel is destroying Gaza....

[CZroe]

its news to me and i'm sure hundreds of millions of other people. Not all of us are fully into the israeli/palestine issue 24/7 and just occasionally read up about it. So color me surprised to find out about this.

I stopped following the Israeli/palestine issue as its just depressing, but lets be honest here, the Palestinians are the underdogs and all the cards are in Israel's hands. Everyday Israel's treatment and actions against them provides new fighters for Hamas. You're Hamas' greatest recruitment tool with the way u treat common Palestinians.

Israeli's don't see them as people, u see them as animals/non humans, how else can you justify such an absurd death toll ratio with no sympathy? The same way Europeans saw natives in North America as subhuman and not entitled to their land...and when the natives fought back they were called savages.

It's just so ironic the Germans viewed Jews as subhuman in the 30s and 40s and their treatment of Jews in Europe led to the creation of Israel...only to have the Jews do it to another people.

Israel not only allows Palestinians to live and work in Israel, they also allow them to serve in Israeli government positions. Palestine teaches their young children to murder Jews. Which group sees the other as "non-human" again?

Now that you know, ask youself: "How did I come to the exact opposite conclusion as reality?" and then realize how you've been duped by the anti-semites waging an opinion war against them online and in the media.

 

[tweaker2]

From the looks of things, both Hamas and Israel want to keep this tussle going, Hamas for the political and propaganda gains it is reaping and for the Israelis, the chance to cleanse the area of Hamas once and for all.

In the middle are those Palestinians who just want to be left alone to live their lives out in peace and the ones who side with Hamas who think that every Palestinian who dies, whether it be infants, children, women, the invalid, the elderly, is another political nail in the coffin that Israel will be buried in, with the added bonus of creating/turning more and more of those to their way of thinking.

Truly, the Palestinians hold their future in their own hands. It seems the majority of Palestinians are either willing to suffer the consequences of having Hamas represent their desires to fight the good fight on their behalf from their neighborhoods, schools, mosques and hospitals, or are unable to exert enough control over Hamas to rein them in and find some lasting peace.

IMO, whether it be due to not having the strength in numbers to fight a set piece battle with the Israelis, or not having enough maneuvering room to stay out of the cities, or deciding the best place to do battle with the Israelis is a place where a maximum number of civilian casualties will result for political gains, it's pretty much up to Hamas and the Palestinians who support them to decide how many other Palestinians need to die before they make their point and go into hiding to fight another day or in another way.

The Vietnamese model of fighting their battles on the TV screens and other media to wear down their enemy's civilian population's endurance and resolve to justify the reasons and cost of the conflict is not going to work for Hamas in this case. As well, it seems the world at large has not been decidedly throwing their sympathy and support over to Hamas in this current edition of death and destruction. Nor does it seem that the Palestinians' neighboring nations are willing to get wholly involved in supporting Hamas' fight against the infidel Zionists.

A couple of questions of which the answers have eluded me to this point is how many Palestinians are members of Hamas and what percentage of the Palestinian population actually actively supports Hamas in the current battle going on?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

In the middle are those Palestinians who just want to be left alone to live their lives out in peace and the ones who side with Hamas who think that every Palestinian who dies, whether it be infants, children, women, the invalid, the elderly, is another political nail in the coffin that Israel will be buried in, with the added bonus of creating/turning more and more of those to their way of thinking.

Hamas wants Palestinian people to die for that very reason. Sadly, the decent Palestinian people in Gaza are more or less being held hostage by Hamas.

Truly, the Palestinians hold their future in their own hands.

What's really sad, what the Palestinian and Islamacist shills don't want to admit, is that if the Palestinians had simply made peace with the Israeli's in the 1940's, today they could be enjoying the highest standard of living and most freedom Muslims have in the Middle East.

The Vietnamese model of fighting their battles on the TV screens and other media to wear down their enemy's civilian population's endurance and resolve to justify the reasons and cost of the conflict is not going to work for Hamas in this case.

It won't work because Israel is not thousands of miles away and on another continent. Also, the Israelis view this as an existential threat. In contrast, the Vietnamese were not firing rockets at American cities or constructing kidnap/murder tunnels.

 

[SandEagle]

Control the oil, control the world. Do you really want that oil to be controlled by a muslim country? Or would you rather have it be controlled by Israel, which has strong ties to New York banks, and hence America.

"Oil is much too important a commodity to be left in the hands of the Arabs."
-- Henry Kissinger

 

[WhipperSnapper]

"Oil is much too important a commodity to be left in the hands of the Arabs."
-- Henry Kissinger

He is correct. The Muslims and Arabs have no business owning it and only have it because of geographic fortune or a deity's practical joke. Their culture and religion would have never enabled them to figure out how to drill for oil, nor how to refine it, nor even to invent anything that could use gasoline. It's not like these people are innovators and scientists (unlike those folks at the Israeli universities).

 

[norseamd]

Then what about the Chinese?

 

[irishScott]

Fact: Anytime any non-Arab shoots an Arab, it's to steal their oil.

I really hope we develop some massive oil extraction mechanism so the middle east can run out of oil in my lifetime. Then there will still be war there, but there won't be any oil for idiots to crow about.

 

[SandEagle]

Fact: Anytime any non-Arab shoots an Arab, it's to steal their oil.

I really hope we develop some massive oil extraction mechanism so the middle east can run out of oil in my lifetime. Then there will still be war there, but there won't be any oil for idiots to crow about.

"IDF's Gaza assault is to control Palestinian gas, avert Israeli energy crisis"

Israel's defence minister has confirmed that military plans to 'uproot Hamas' are about dominating Gaza's gas reserves

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...-war-gaza-palestine-natural-gas-energy-crisis

 

[Whiskey16]

He is correct. The Muslims and Arabs have no business owning it and only have it because of geographic fortune or a deity's practical joke. Their culture and religion would have never enabled them to figure out how to drill for oil, nor how to refine it, nor even to invent anything that could use gasoline. It's not like these people are innovators and scientists (unlike those folks at the Israeli universities).

Seig heil!

This forum's common theme of supremacist bigotry comes through yet again!

The irony for such neo-Nazis as yourself, WhipperSnapper, is that rather than past filth demeaning Jews, you're placing above the common whipping target of the day - Muslims, Arabs, Palestinians, etc.... Every few months we expect a thread to denigrate blacks as well.

You simple racist and bigoted uncivilised f***s rarely disappoint with your explicit hatred. No wonder many of you have the nerve to go so far to carry to present calls to kill/exterminate that group.

 

[norseamd]

He is correct. The Muslims and Arabs have no business owning it and only have it because of geographic fortune or a deity's practical joke. Their culture and religion would have never enabled them to figure out how to drill for oil, nor how to refine it, nor even to invent anything that could use gasoline. It's not like these people are innovators and scientists (unlike those folks at the Israeli universities).

This is outright racism and is certainly not anything else.

 

[HTFOff]

"IDF's Gaza assault is to control Palestinian gas, avert Israeli energy crisis"



http://www.theguardian.com/environm...-war-gaza-palestine-natural-gas-energy-crisis

Stewox'd.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Stewox'd.

The Guardian, one of the most respected newspapers in the world, is *not* Alex Jones. What was incorrect about the article? Was that not a direct and accurate quote of the Israeli Defense Minister?

 

[Victorian Gray]

He is correct. The Muslims and Arabs have no business owning it and only have it because of geographic fortune or a deity's practical joke. Their culture and religion would have never enabled them to figure out how to drill for oil, nor how to refine it, nor even to invent anything that could use gasoline. It's not like these people are innovators and scientists (unlike those folks at the Israeli universities).

You forgot which forum you're in. Stormfront has a different favicon than AnandTech's.

 

[rommelrommel]

The Guardian, one of the most respected newspapers in the world, is *not* Alex Jones. What was incorrect about the article? Was that not a direct and accurate quote of the Israeli Defense Minister?

The quote from that article says nothing about taking control of the fields or about an Israeli energy crisis so I'm going to say no, it was not.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Seig heil!

This forum's common theme of supremacist bigotry comes through yet again!

The irony for such neo-Nazis as yourself, WhipperSnapper, is that rather than past filth demeaning Jews, you're placing above the common whipping target of the day - Muslims, Arabs, Palestinians, etc.... Every few months we expect a thread to denigrate blacks as well.

Instead of pulling out the stale "You're a Nazi!" accusation, could you refute the content of what I said? BTW, Moron, just because someone criticizes an ethnic or religious group does not necessarily mean that person is endorsing outright Nazism. (It's not a difficult concept to understand, but you've demonstrated that you have below average intelligence, so I'm hoping you'll be able to understand that.)

How much scientific advance has come from the Muslim World in the past several centuries? Deeply religious people, as a group, don't foster much scientific research or advance. It's so bad that women aren't even allowed to go to school in some countries and those that do could get attacked. I feel the same way about devout Christians and Jews. It's the more secular people who do the advancement.

What makes you believe that in the absence of Western Civilzation the Muslim/Arab World would have figured out how to design a combustion engine or pump oil out of the ground and refine it?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

This is outright racism and is certainly not anything else.

It's an observation. Have you ever heard of a scientific advance that came out of a university in a predominantly Muslim nation or a booming tech industry in a Muslim nation? I haven't.

Do you think that an ethnic group that forbids women to attend school is going to do much in the area of innovation?

I'm sorry if the truth hurts. It's difficult to be a secular Muslim today and to have to confront just how badly your ethnic group has failed.

 

[norseamd]

It's an observation. Have you ever heard of a scientific advance that came out of a university in a predominantly Muslim nation or a booming tech industry in a Muslim nation? I haven't. Do you think that an ethnic group that forbids women to attend school is going to do much in the area of innovation? I'm sorry if the truth hurts. It's difficult to be a secular Muslim today and to have to confront just how badly your ethnic group has failed.

Seems you know nothing about the Arab civilization. Looks like the arabs are in some ways the equals of Japan and Europe and far ahead of America when it comes to ignorance and progress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masdar_City

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com...d-uae-sign-renewables-and-sustainability-pact

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Abdullah_University_of_Science_and_Technology

 

[norseamd]

https://www.google.com/search?q=saudi+arabia+uae+renewable+technology+ernst+and+young

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/biz/ins...iness_December357.xml&section=uaebusiness&col=

 

[norseamd]

Oh and insulting the Arabs on science and technology is especially hilarious considering the Christian Europeans had to understand science and technology from them after the Christian Europeans destroyed everything from pre-Christian eras.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_science

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventions_in_the_medieval_Islamic_world

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Oh and insulting the Arabs on science and technology is especially hilarious considering the Christian Europeans had to understand science and technology from them after the Christian Europeans destroyed everything from pre-Christian eras.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_science

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventions_in_the_medieval_Islamic_world

yeah, that's history

sure, there was a golden age, which is why we have Arabic numerals, algebra, or how most of the stars in the sky that have names have Arabic names, but that innovation was all stomped out by the evolution of islam

as human beings, they are just as capable as any other. As muslims they have severely diminished chance of advancing science/technology

 

[Whiskey16]

yeah, that's history
..
as human beings, they are just as capable as any other. As muslims they have severely diminished chance of advancing science/technology

Commonly in the recent past and even some places today, plenty wouldn't dare have a Jew touch nor treat them. My family history is full of those who weren't permitted into certain schools nor vocations for being Jewish.

What'd you mean by "history?" Irony, eh? In a topic concerning ethnic supremacism for and by Israeli Jews?

No doubt, bunnyfubbles, with your presented supremacist bigotry, you'd be equally incensed with a scientifically stumped Muslim doctor treating you. There mustn't be any Muslims in science nor research eh? You just damned them all.

In a thread concerning the destruction of Gaza, any wonder that such supremacist degradation of the a targeted group is present? So much easier to ferment their destruction. With your degrading presentation against all Muslims, you help promote crimes against humanity.

Bloody bigots. All too common filth that are present in AnandTech's P&N.

 

[irishScott]

Oh and insulting the Arabs on science and technology is especially hilarious considering the Christian Europeans had to understand science and technology from them after the Christian Europeans destroyed everything from pre-Christian eras.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_science

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_inventions_in_the_medieval_Islamic_world

Actually the Arabs are only so responsible for their "Golden Age". Back when the Islamic Empire was kicking the shit out of the Byzantine Empire, the Muslims were smart enough to not destroy the infrastructure and people they conquered. They left key administrators alone and basically implemented religious restrictions, subservience to the Caliph, and taxes. They also didn't go around burning books.

Not that there were no smart Muslims, but they assimilated more of their golden age than they built.

 

[norseamd]

Actually the Arabs are only so responsible for their "Golden Age". Back when the Islamic Empire was kicking the shit out of the Byzantine Empire, the Muslims were smart enough to not destroy the infrastructure and people they conquered. They left key administrators alone and basically implemented religious restrictions, subservience to the Caliph, and taxes. They also didn't go around burning books. Not that there were no smart Muslims, but they assimilated more of their golden age than they built.

Very true. Much of their knowledge cam from the Greek and Indian philosophers and scientists.

 

[JEDIYoda]

So haw many Arabs or Muslims have won the Nobel Peace Prize or any other Nobel Prize for that matter??

 

[norseamd]

So haw many Arabs or Muslims have won the Nobel Peace Prize or any other Nobel Prize for that matter??