The real reason insurance companies don't like the ACA...

[Knowing]

Dramatic declines in the uninsured population at a lower cost than initially estimated seems to be 'working' to me by any reasonable standard. Color me surprised that you neglected to mention any of that.

By the way, great job with your prediction of terrible construction sector growth for the US. lol.

If you define reason in any way that you wish then anything can be defined as reasonable. My expectations are what it was sold on. I know the democrats are fond of the "ha ha we fooled you, it was a tax the whole time!" No one was fooled.

Construction sector growth diverged from commodities in 2008 too, and you've been waiting about that long for inflation. Can you believe that some people think Yellen is going to raise rates this month? Maybe after we find some residual seasonality in the Black Friday numbers we'll find that wage growth that hasn't been keeping up with the lack of inflation. Banner performance on the markets today, I think Nasdaq is still positive for the year.

 

[fskimospy]

If you define reason in any way that you wish then anything can be defined as reasonable. My expectations are what it was sold on. I know the democrats are fond of the "ha ha we fooled you, it was a tax the whole time!" No one was fooled.

If you want to think that a dramatic drop in uninsured at lower costs than anticipated is an unreasonable way in which to evaluate legislation that is entirely up to you. You might want to ask yourself why you have those criteria though.

Construction sector growth diverged from commodities in 2008 too, and you've been waiting about that long for inflation. Can you believe that some people think Yellen is going to raise rates this month? Maybe after we find some residual seasonality in the Black Friday numbers we'll find that wage growth that hasn't been keeping up with the lack of inflation. Banner performance on the markets today, I think Nasdaq is still positive for the year.

Oh so despite you saying that construction was doing poorly before you really meant construction would do poorly at some nebulous time in the future.

Gotcha.

The right answer is that you were full of shit, by the way. Take your time in admitting that, haha.

 

[theeedude]

You are kidding yourself if you think that will happen here without a massive government takeover of the entire healthcare system. Perhaps that is what you mean, though.

Yes. Medicare for all, with price controls.

 

[Double Trouble]

By all means show us how every company using this service had had an expert to keep costs down. Otherwise you are making a pretty big assumption. You are also assuming companies know that they are being ripped off.

I work for one of those multi billion dollar companies (fortune 100), and I know for a fact we have an army of people dedicated to these kinds of expenses. If there are significant savings to be had, I assure you those options are known and evaluated. Again, large companies are not in the habit of being ignorant of expense drivers. And yes, they very much do know if they are being ripped off or not.

We're not talking about mom and pop shops that might not have the expertise or resources to understand what's going on. Anyone who actually believes large companies don't have expertise is extremely naive.

 

[Double Trouble]

I don't believe the way healthcare is expected to be delivered even represents an insurable risk anymore. It's just a matter of time before either a new payroll tax or a much increased Medicare tax will fund baseline healthcare for most Americans.

Spot on. It's not even really "insurance" IMO. We're just squabbling about who's paying for healthcare and how. There is an element of insurance (insurance against catastrophic events), but overall it's just paying for health care.

 

[SP33Demon]

Hospital markups are ridiculous, will be glad when this POS legislation goes the way of the dinosaur. If Trump is elected, this crap goes bye bye - the Senate already showed last week they will keep rejecting this POS legislation and making Obama veto it just to piss him off.

 

[Jhhnn]

If Trump is elected

You seem to be delusional on a regular basis. Trump is merely a symptom of that among the Repub base, of people being misled into believing in lies. They got hip to the fact they're being lied to but they haven't realized that they integrated lies into their most cherished beliefs along the way.

 

[SP33Demon]

You seem to be delusional on a regular basis. Trump is merely a symptom of that among the Repub base, of people being misled into believing in lies. They got hip to the fact they're being lied to but they haven't realized that they integrated lies into their most cherished beliefs along the way.

If by delusional you mean only delusional to leftists, then sure. Trump is a symptom of both bases, not just Repubs.