The real lesson from Boston

[Conscript]

The city was never under "lockdown", anyone could have left their house at anytime without criminal implications. But there was a mad man on the loose and everyone was cooperating in an effort to get him, in addition to trying to stay out of any crossfire

 

[blankslate]

Umm, could you please copy and paste the exact phrase in which he says the boat was in the water? If you can't, do you think all of those extra holes will affect it once it is put into water or perhaps you are suggesting that its some sort of lawn ornament?

Can you show me the exact phrase that show he didn't? when the boat is on the trailer its seaworthiness is a secondary consideration when the bombing suspect is hold up in it. Especially if the suspect fired first which as noted before is not outside of the realm of possibility.

As for the damage to the boat, hopefully the owners insurance company or the police will compensate him for the damage if they don't then I'm all for the owner suing them.

Doesn't change the fact the the writer of the opinion piece wrote a idiotic piece of tripe. If people didn't stay inside or a shelter in place instruction wasn't given the suspect may have taken a hostage or hostages.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Ok, we will just agree to disagree. I think that most Islamic terrorists are ready, willing and even happy to die in what they believe to be a holy war in which they will be rewarded if they die in one of the "battles". You obviously think that is false based off of this single incident.

I'll respond more later, I need to run out. But again, this individual doesn't follow the same pattern. Schooled for ten years here, lots of friends, had a gf, played HS sports, loved by teachers, in college, etc.

Also, I broke the stay at home order even though in another thread in P&N, people thought I was crazy with a terrorist running around to do so. Can't win either way.

And as I've already posted, friends of friends who were in the search perimeter were asked by police to be able to search their homes/yards and they all agreed to and weren't forced to.

Don't believe everything that read on the internet. As we've learned from this incident, almost all of the media and all of social media was wrong.

 

[Darwin333]

Can you show me the exact phrase that show he didn't? when the boat is on the trailer its seaworthiness is a secondary consideration when the bombing suspect is hold up in it. Especially if the suspect fired first which as noted before is not outside of the realm of possibility.

Wait, I need to find you where he said that it wasn't in the water after you said that him saying it was in the water disqualified his entire post???? Come again???

As for the damage to the boat, hopefully the owners insurance company or the police will compensate him for the damage if they don't then I'm all for the owner suing them.

All insurance policies specifically exclude acts or war, I guarantee you the government will call this an act of war. Regardless, the boat is absurdly secondary to the main point which you seem to be missing.

Doesn't change the fact the the writer of the opinion piece wrote a idiotic piece of tripe. If people didn't stay inside or a shelter in place instruction wasn't given the suspect may have taken a hostage or hostages.

So the badguy couldn't have broken into the house instead of the boat and taken a hostage? You are being retarded, the people didn't leave the area they just stayed inside so the potential hostages are all still there. Evidently you don't mind the government violating our rights due to terrorism but I do. Your way and the terrorists win every single time just like they won, and won BIG, this time........ all with some fucking fireworks and a pressure cooker. How bout that?

Besides, we have first hand reports that the shelter in place order was ignored by a lot of people, again potential hostages. So it would seem that the shelter in place order was effectively useless, at least as for the goals you are using. Yet the writer is an idiot....

 

[Darwin333]

I'll respond more later, I need to run out. But again, this individual doesn't follow the same pattern. Schooled for ten years here, lots of friends, had a gf, played HS sports, loved by teachers, in college, etc.

Also, I broke the stay at home order even though in another thread in P&N, people thought I was crazy with a terrorist running around to do so. Can't win either way.

And as I've already posted, friends of friends who were in the search perimeter were asked by police to be able to search their homes/yards and they all agreed to and weren't forced to.

Don't believe everything that read on the internet. As we've learned from this incident, almost all of the media and all of social media was wrong.

I am talking big picture here. This specific incident just gave the real scary assholes, the ones that ARE not only willing to die but WANT to die, a damn good way to easily achieve their goal on a widespread basis using a method that literally a child could pull off.

As far as your friends reports, I am curious if any of them denied the police entry and what their reaction was? I do know that I have seen video of police (actually looked like .mil but I can't be sure) forcibly searching homes at gunpoint while they were not in "hot pursuit".

I am truly interested in more first hand accounts, feel free to PM them to me if you don't wish to make them public.

 

[Darwin333]

The city was never under "lockdown", anyone could have left their house at anytime without criminal implications. But there was a mad man on the loose and everyone was cooperating in an effort to get him, in addition to trying to stay out of any crossfire

There is a poster two posts below this one who was actually there who disagrees with you.

 

[Conscript]

There is a poster two posts below this one who was actually there who disagrees with you.

Well I was in Waltham, and went to work, so I'll respectfully agree with my original statement

 

[Anarchist420]

The police dept can't go out of business, so what the hell do they care? It was just like the BP oil spill and Dr. Gosnell's death lab and even like the whole unemployment situation. The govt steals a shitload of money and then they have nothing good to show for it.

In my city, the cops harass me all the time rather than worry about catching dangerous people.

 

[momeNt]

Weapons were seized because if the terrorist broke in he could use them against citizens.

This way if he broke in he had nothing to take and use against others.

Constitution wasn't trampled during the lockdown, safety was increased.

 

[stormkroe]

Weapons were seized because if the terrorist broke in he could use them against citizens.

This way if he broke in he had nothing to take and use against others.

Constitution wasn't trampled during the lockdown, safety was increased.

Holy cow is that the official story? Or just your guess?

Hey let's take all the food so he'll starve to death when there's none to break in and steal.

Edited for self pwnage: didn't step back to see this was a joke.

 

[momeNt]

The end of the unconstitutional search reminded me of SW E3.

"This is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause"

Nobody was upset about the illegal searches, nobody was upset about having their legally owned weapons removed. They were applauding the clone army and hailing the emperor.

 

[runzwithsizorz]

I regretfully must inform my fellow neighbors that tonights meeting to gather support for a protest against the new proposed county fees, and tax's will be postponed indefinitely. Judging by what happened to old Ed last week on his way to our last meeting I think it's best that we all just pay up, and shut up.

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[glenn1]

We already knew the lesson; folks who refuse to defend themselves because they fear violence and firearms wil cower in their home waiting for better men to defend them. At least he didn't have an assault weapon, otherwise the people of Boston really would have pissed themselves.

 

[shira]

I'm not sure what the OP's point is about how easy it is to build and deploy one of these bombs. Is the OP advocating even more encroachment on civil liberties in order to prevent pressure-cooker bombs?

The assumption that this incident proves anything about how America would react if such bombings were the rule rather than the exception is fallacious. Yes, one incident paralyzed a city for a day. But that's because of how rare this type of event is in America. If bombs were going off every week, America would soon become "normalized" to that new reality; we'd adjust and carry on with "business as usual."

 

[Capt Caveman]

We already knew the lesson; folks who refuse to defend themselves because they fear violence and firearms wil cower in their home waiting for better men to defend them. At least he didn't have an assault weapon, otherwise the people of Boston really would have pissed themselves.

/facepalm

Yes, b/c I bet you would have gone out looking for him with your AR15. And a neighbor would have shot you, thinking you were one of the bombers. :biggrin:

 

[Sulaco]

Ahhh, I love all the armchair, hindsight commandos who can tell the HRT and SWAT just exactly how wrong they were, and how they should have done it.
Right. Thanks for the input, Dilbert.

Of course it seems like overkill in hindsight, just one guy (kid, really), with what seems to have only been a handgun.

But that's completely discounting the bigger picture, not just the attack on the marathon, they:

--Carjacked a civilian at gunpoint
--Murdered a police officer in cold blood sitting in his car
--Led police on a brief chase, specifically STOPPED the car to begin firing on police
--Seriously injured another
--Were throwing explosive devices, which the cops had no way of knowing how many, how elaborate, or how powerful they were
--Has explosive devices on his body
--Unknown whether there are deeper links/training from real terrorist orginizations, and how well they may have been trained
--Kid deliberately runs over his own brother in attempt to get away
--Even when cornered and badly injured, returns fire

...all on top of the fact that they kinda maimed 150+ people 3 days before.

Bottom line: what really complicated things, obviously, was the presence of explosives. This wasn't just some random carjacker on the loose with a Glock. Nobody knew exactly how many or what kind of explosives this kid had, but it was obvious he had no qualms using them and killing people with them.

 

[piasabird]

I thought shutting down an entire town to look for one guy was a bit extreme. They never do this for car theifs or murderers. He might have just bled to death in the boat.

 

[Capt Caveman]

But Sulaco, come on. If you lived in the search perimeter, you wouldn't have had a problem with letting your kids playing in the front yard even when the gun fire started.

Can't be scared and give up your liberties! Just start shooting back, I'm sure the police will now you're just helping out.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I thought shutting down an entire town to look for one guy was a bit extreme. They never do this for car theifs or murderers. He might have just bled to death in the boat.

You mean someone who you didn't know was injured. Had just killed four people and injured almost 200 and had just been in a gun fight where they're throwing grenades and another pressure cooker bomb which injured 15 police officers the night before.

Fuck yeah, everyone just go on and if you get carjacked, sucks to be you and we won't even know if he left the area b/c everyone is driving around.

 

[Sulaco]

They never do this for car theifs or murderers. He might have just bled to death in the boat.

"car theifs or murderers" don't usually have IEDs, homemade explosives, and other explosive devices strapped to their bodies, with which they attacked the police, and had already maimed over 150 civilians with just days before.

If they normally did, the manhunt for such folks might be just a tad different.

 

[glenn1]

/facepalm

Yes, b/c I bet you would have gone out looking for him with your AR15. And a neighbor would have shot you, thinking you were one of the bombers. :biggrin:

I don't live in Boston so what their people and police do is their business. I spent enough time in the military "out looking for him with my AR15" (M4 carbine actually, plus whatever crew served and/or vehicle mounted weapon systems at our disposal) that I don't need more practice. And even if I did live in Boston, home of some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, what would my neighbor shoot me with, a spitball? Most Bostonites wouldn't have anything more deadly than a golf club or ice scraper to attack me with.

 

[Sulaco]

But Sulaco, come on. If you lived in the search perimeter, you wouldn't have had a problem with letting your kids playing in the front yard even when the gun fire started.

Can't be scared and give up your liberties! Just start shooting back, I'm sure the police will now you're just helping out.

Wait...aren't you the CIA SPOOK who FAKED and LIED about being at the Marathon? I believe you were already outed by some diligent, liberty loving forum members who are on to your charade, AGENT CAVEMAN.

ROSWELL! ROSWELL!!!

 

[davmat787]

I don't like all the comparisons of hundreds of cops couldn't find this guy but one civilian did. It's not like that one civilian was out looking for him.

Not only that, but from what I understand the police DID search the boat and yard earlier in the day, but the suspect was hiding there yet. Later in the day, the person goes in there backyard, and notices the tarp covering the boat has been tampered with and part of it has been moved, and some blood on that area.

Can anyone else confirm this?

 

[Capt Caveman]

I don't live in Boston so what their people and police do is their business. I spent enough time in the military "out looking for him with my AR15" (M4 carbine actually, plus whatever crew served and/or vehicle mounted weapon systems at our disposal) that I don't need more practice. And even if I did live in Boston, home of some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, what would my neighbor shoot me with, a spitball? Most Bostonites wouldn't have anything more deadly than a golf club or ice scraper to attack me with.

And it doesn't matter where you live in the US, you and your neighbors would have sat in your house and let the police/FBI do their job, like they did in Watertown.

You guys, crack me up.

 

[Bowfinger]

Ahhh, I love all the armchair, hindsight commandos who can tell the HRT and SWAT just exactly how wrong they were, and how they should have done it.
Right. Thanks for the input, Dilbert.

Of course it seems like overkill in hindsight, just one guy (kid, really), with what seems to have only been a handgun.

But that's completely discounting the bigger picture, not just the attack on the marathon, they:

--Carjacked a civilian at gunpoint
--Murdered a police officer in cold blood sitting in his car
--Led police on a brief chase, specifically STOPPED the car to begin firing on police
--Seriously injured another
--Were throwing explosive devices, which the cops had no way of knowing how many, how elaborate, or how powerful they were
--Has explosive devices on his body
--Unknown whether there are deeper links/training from real terrorist orginizations, and how well they may have been trained
--Kid deliberately runs over his own brother in attempt to get away
--Even when cornered and badly injured, returns fire

...all on top of the fact that they kinda maimed 150+ people 3 days before.

Bottom line: what really complicated things, obviously, was the presence of explosives. This wasn't just some random carjacker on the loose with a Glock. Nobody knew exactly how many or what kind of explosives this kid had, but it was obvious he had no qualms using them and killing people with them.

Plus, as I understand it, by then they'd also searched his apartment and found more explosive devices there. It was pretty apparent that these two were planning to continue their terror spree. The stakes were much higher than normal.