the real difference between Microsoft and Apple

[thomsbrain]

when microsoft fixes a few bugs and security problems, they call it a "patch," and sometimes they collect the patches, and it's a free-to-download "service pack."

when apple fixes a few bugs and security problems, they call it "a major breakthrough" and charge you $129 for it.

 

[bendixG15]

Take this somewhere else.....tired of this old crap.........

 

[stash]

And what's the point of this post? Tiger is much more than bug fixes, and thats coming from a Microsoft person.

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: STaSh
And what's the point of this post? Tiger is much more than bug fixes, and thats coming from a Microsoft person.

the point of this post is apple has been re-packaging the same OS over and over and re-selling it to people. but if you guys are all cool with that idea, i'll bow to your intimidating Golden Member statuses and let you tell me what and where things should be posted on these forums.

 

[RichieZ]

i dunno about you, put tiger makes my computer faster. SP2 made it slower and I had a lot of problems getting some programs to run.

I also got tiger for $10

 

[magomago]

I thought Tiger really was an evolutionary jump with all the new features it added, but after reading Anand's blog and a few other areas has become obvious that tiger was never ready for primetime just yet...maybe six months from now, but definitely not now. Still many bugs to be ironed out, and an actual decrease in speed in some things. I'm sure whenever 10.4.1 comes out a few months from now tiger will be a much more worthy contender, but it seems like apple was rushed

 

[Nothinman]

the point of this post is apple has been re-packaging the same OS over and over and re-selling it to people. but if you guys are all cool with that idea, i'll bow to your intimidating Golden Member statuses and let you tell me what and where things should be posted on these forums.

The point is that you're an idiot. Tiger came with a lot more than bugfixes, whether or not the new features are good and useful is up to you.

 

[Schadenfroh]

*insert apple bash here*

 

[stash]

but if you guys are all cool with that idea, i'll bow to your intimidating Golden Member statuses and let you tell me what and where things should be posted on these forums.

So since your post has been called out for the troll that it is, you respond by holding your big, bad Lifer tag over us? I'm not impressed.

 

[sparkyclarky]

Core Image and Core Video are bug fixes? Dashboard is a bug fix? Spotlight fixes a bug?

I've heard of trolling before, but this is a laughably bad attempt! Bravo sir!

 

[n0cmonkey]

Go away silly troll. sp2 had some feature adds, but not enough to be repackaged as a new OS. XP barely had enough new features to be considered a new OS...

 

[Phoenix86]

OK, I'm ignorant on the subject, and this is not a troll post.

Are there bugs that are fixed in Tiger that you can't get for Jaguar?

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: Phoenix86
OK, I'm ignorant on the subject, and this is not a troll post.

Are there bugs that are fixed in Tiger that you can't get for Jaguar?

If there aren't their will be.

But it's the same thing with W2k and Windows XP. There are lots of bug fixes for Windows XP that Microsoft didn't include with Windows 2000 even though they are the same operating system.

The only way around it is to use OSS stuff and have a community that will help you patch similar to how Redhat 8 was supported by community long after Redhat dropped support of it.

The major difference here between Microsoft and Apple is that Microsoft hasn't released a big update for their OS in 4 years, while Apple releases them much more often.

 

[imported_Mags]

You know, I don't see any need to put Windows XP SP2 down, it's actually a good update imo, but Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger is just so much more (when comparing XP SP1-SP2 to OS X 10.3-10.4). Anyone, who have actually USED both Tiger and Panther will know.

 

[edtsui]

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

oh i think security fixes, bugs, and such are fixed for free via Software Update. I also thoroughly enjoy a platform I can get a performance boost out of simply upgrading the OS rather than vice versa.

 

[gobucks]

i don't really feel that tiger is bad - the features it has sound nice, in fact from the sound of it longhorn will be copying a lot of them, in addition to adding an OSX-type 3d GUI. I guess I'm just not all that impressed with the new search engine - usually keep things organized so that i don't HAVE to go searching. the "Dashboard" widgets are kinda neat, i guess, but it's nothing you can't get through using Object Desktop for PC. And i guess if you have a G5, there may be a speed boost in math apps, but that remains to be seen. I guess it just seems like a few tweaks rather than a real new OS. After all, OSX brought BIG differences from OS 9. Say what you will about windows XP, but ditching the windows 98 kernel added noticeable speed and stability (if not security) and XP also made things a lot more user friendly and nicer looking. Longhorn will add a very different GUI, improved security (supposedly) and eventually a brand new context based file system, WinFS. These seem to provide much more compelling reasons to shell out money than Tiger does. To be honest, it almost seems like windows XP SP2 adds just as much to XP as Tiger does to OSX, but SP2 is free while Tiger is $129.

 

[gwag]

they released bug fixes today for 10.3.9 today, no one is making anyone buy 10.4. 10.3 is still supported.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: gobucks
i don't really feel that tiger is bad - the features it has sound nice, in fact from the sound of it longhorn will be copying a lot of them, in addition to adding an OSX-type 3d GUI. I guess I'm just not all that impressed with the new search engine - usually keep things organized so that i don't HAVE to go searching. the "Dashboard" widgets are kinda neat, i guess, but it's nothing you can't get through using Object Desktop for PC. And i guess if you have a G5, there may be a speed boost in math apps, but that remains to be seen. I guess it just seems like a few tweaks rather than a real new OS. After all, OSX brought BIG differences from OS 9. Say what you will about windows XP, but ditching the windows 98 kernel added noticeable speed and stability (if not security) and XP also made things a lot more user friendly and nicer looking. Longhorn will add a very different GUI, improved security (supposedly) and eventually a brand new context based file system, WinFS. These seem to provide much more compelling reasons to shell out money than Tiger does. To be honest, it almost seems like windows XP SP2 adds just as much to XP as Tiger does to OSX, but SP2 is free while Tiger is $129.

I've looked at the list of changes for sp2. It isn't this long.

Not all of these are major feature changes, but the combination of all this stuff, dashboard, core image, spotlight, and automator make it a pretty big deal.

 

[timswim78]

One one hand, I agree that Tiger seems to be pretty revolutionary and feature packed.

On the other hand, I think that it is unfair that Mac users have had to pay for four OS's in the last four years (if they wanted to be up to date).

 

[DanDaMan315]

Maybe I'm the only one that actually enjoyed the things that came with SP2, mainly the IE pop-up blocker.

Mac is for people that have a lot of money, period. And as with anything Mac, price to preformance ratio is horrible....at best.

 

[drag]

Macs basicly trade fast hardware for a stable (relatively) and feature-full OS.

People around here are very performance oriented. A computer that can generate a faster frame per second on Doom3 is almost always better then a computer that can't benchmark nearly as high.

But there is a lot more that goes into computers then that and Mac users generally care much more about it on the usability/software side of things.

But generally Mac price per hardware performance is pretty bad. On the other hand though you don't have to be rich to afford a mac. They have several different models of computers that range between the 500 dollar and 1000 dollar price range. (I'd rather build one myself, though. Which is why the only mac I own is a laptop... it's the one computer that I want that I can't build myself. (I've actually tried, and done it. But it sucked compared to a real laptop.))

 

[imported_Lucifer]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
when microsoft fixes a few bugs and security problems, they call it a "patch," and sometimes they collect the patches, and it's a free-to-download "service pack."

when apple fixes a few bugs and security problems, they call it "a major breakthrough" and charge you $129 for it.

Apple charges $129 for a new OS. Apple doesn't charge for updates. Apple didn't charge for the 10.3.1 10.3.2 10.3.3 etc updates. They are free. The updates fixed bugs. I am at 10.3.9 right now and I didn't pay a damn thing. Hell, I still use 10.1 and I didn't pay any money to get to the 10.1.5 update. I didn't pay to get to 9.2.2 either. Security updates from Apple are free too. And Apples combo updates include all previous security updates. And yes, they are free.

Go back to ATOT, please.

 

[imported_Mags]

Originally posted by: DanDaMan315
Maybe I'm the only one that actually enjoyed the things that came with SP2, mainly the IE pop-up blocker.

Mac is for people that have a lot of money, period. And as with anything Mac, price to preformance ratio is horrible....at best.

You should take a look at the new iMacs (released yesterday). Pretty good deal.

 

[wiin]

thomsbrain said:

when microsoft fixes a few bugs and security problems, they call it a "patch," and sometimes they collect the patches, and it's a free-to-download "service pack."

when apple fixes a few bugs and security problems, they call it "a major breakthrough" and charge you $129 for it.

heeheehee.

I read an article a month ago about this lady who did a study on Windows and Linux. Her conclusion was that in some areas Windows is better than Linux. And the reaction from Linux users? They were not happy about it. Some even called her at her home at night.

hehehehe

Some of you guys are acting just like that it is so funny

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: wiin
thomsbrain said:

when microsoft fixes a few bugs and security problems, they call it a "patch," and sometimes they collect the patches, and it's a free-to-download "service pack."

when apple fixes a few bugs and security problems, they call it "a major breakthrough" and charge you $129 for it.

heeheehee.

I read an article a month ago about this lady who did a study on Windows and Linux. Her conclusion was that in some areas Windows is better than Linux. And the reaction from Linux users? They were not happy about it. Some even called her at her home at night.

hehehehe

Some of you guys are acting just like that it is so funny

Not really. We're responding to a troll. Silly yes, but we don't want the whole community to be misinformed.

When those stupid "security studies" come out, I roll my eyes. I haven't seen a reasonable one yet.