the real confederate flag

[brianmanahan]

i always see the southern cross flag flying (in a northern state no less), but this is the one that nobody wants to remember:

:biggrin:

 

[pcgeek11]

That isn't a Confederate flag and neither is the " Stars & Bars ( Battle Flag of Northern Virginia )" that you suggested.

http://www.americancivilwarstory.com/confederate-flag.html#

This is the flag of the Confederate States of America.

 

[Jaskalas]

Your bigotry towards southerners continues to impress.

 

[HomerJS]

Your bigotry towards southerners continues to impress.

They started it!

 

[Paratus]

Anyone who lives North of I10 is a Yankee.

 

[finglobes]

Looks like Obama's flag minus the skid marks

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Looks like Obama's flag minus the skid marks

No Chicago is in Illinois, squarely in the north -- you know, the part of the country that beat the piss out of the hillbilly inbreds, and continues to drag them, kicking and screaming, into the the 21st century.

 

[UberNeuman]

"hello. I'm empty troll bait. Let's see how many bites I get."

 

[finglobes]

No Chicago is in Illinois, squarely in the north -- you know, the part of the country that beat the piss out of the hillbilly inbreds, and continues to drag them, kicking and screaming, into the the 21st century.

Ah yes - Chicago - where they kill more black babies in a few weeks than the KKK lynched (3,446) in 86 years.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

How is it possible for a single person to be so completely wrong about literally everything? I guess you'd have to be republican.

 

[finglobes]

How is it possible for a single person to be so completely wrong about literally everything? I guess you'd have to be republican.

Good thing I'm an indie (belonged to both parties in the past though)

 

[adairusmc]

One thing I think should be celebrated much more is the southern beautification campaign that the hero William Tecumseh Sherman initiated. Those sherman bowties should have been brought to the entire south, not just on a single march to the sea.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Good thing I'm an indie (belonged to both parties in the past though)

Yeah, right. I believe that about as much as I believe 3,400 black babies were killed in Chicago. Take your dishonest, disingenuous schtick, lube it up with some Heritage Foundation Santorum, and shove it right up your pee hole.

 

[pcgeek11]

They started it!

Just to keep it straight the damn yankees started it when they refused to leave Fort Sumter. The south wanted a peaceful secession.

The majority of the Southern leaders who attended the convention expected a peaceful secession; they did not anticipate that their action would lead to bloody conflict. They were wrong. Fort Sumter, lying in the harbor off the city of Charleston, South Carolina, would prove the point.

After her secession from the Union, South Carolina perceived herself as a sovereign state - the presence of Union forces in an armed fortress whose guns commanded her principal harbor was intolerable as it belied her independence. For President Lincoln the voluntary abandonment of this fortress was equally intolerable as it would be a tacit acknowledgment of South Carolina's independent status.

On the afternoon of April 11, waving a white flag, two members of General Beauregard's staff were rowed across Charleston's harbor to Fort Sumter carrying a written demand for surrender. One of the emissaries - Stephen D. Lee - wrote of the experience after the war:

"This demand was delivered to Major Anderson at 3:45 P.M., by two aides of General Beauregard, James Chesnut, Jr., and myself. At 4:30 P.M. he handed us his reply, refusing to accede to the demand; but added, 'Gentlemen, if you do not batter the fort to pieces about us, we shall be starved out in a few days.' The reply of Major Anderson was put in General Beauregard's hands at 5:15 P.M., and he was also told of this informal remark. Anderson's reply and remark were communicated to the Confederate authorities at Montgomery. The Secretary of War, L.P. Walker, replied to Beauregard as follows:"

'Do not desire needlessly to bombard Fort Sumter. If Major Anderson will state the time at which, as indicated by him, he will evacuate, and agree that in the meantime he will not use his guns against us, unless ours should be employed against Fort Sumter, you are authorized thus to avoid the effusion of blood. If this, or its equivalent, be refused, reduce the fort as your judgment decides to be most practicable.'

" The same aides bore a second communication to Major Anderson, based on the above instructions, which was placed in, his hands at 12:45 A.M., April 12th. His reply indicated that he would evacuate the fort on the 15th, provided he did not in the meantime receive contradictory instructions from his Government, or additional supplies, but he declined to agree not to open his guns upon the Confederate troops, in the event of any hostile demonstration on their part against his flag. Major Anderson made every possible effort to retain the aides till daylight, making one excuse and then another for not replying. Finally, at 3:15 A.M., he delivered his reply. In accordance with their instructions, the aides read it and, finding it unsatisfactory, gave Major Anderson this notification:"

'FORT SUMTER, S.C., April 12, 1861, 3:20 A.M. - SIR: By authority of Brigadier-General Beauregard, commanding the Provisional Forces of the Confederate States, we have the honor to notify you that he will open the fire of his batteries on Fort Sumter in one hour from this time. We have the honor to be very respectfully, Your obedient servants, JAMES CHESNUT JR., Aide-de-camp. STEPHEN D. LEE, Captain C. S. Army, Aide-de-camp.'

 

[Newbian]

 

[sandorski]

Just to keep it straight the damn yankees started it when they refused to leave Fort Sumter. The south wanted a peaceful secession.

The majority of the Southern leaders who attended the convention expected a peaceful secession; they did not anticipate that their action would lead to bloody conflict. They were wrong. Fort Sumter, lying in the harbor off the city of Charleston, South Carolina, would prove the point.

After her secession from the Union, South Carolina perceived herself as a sovereign state - the presence of Union forces in an armed fortress whose guns commanded her principal harbor was intolerable as it belied her independence. For President Lincoln the voluntary abandonment of this fortress was equally intolerable as it would be a tacit acknowledgment of South Carolina's independent status.

On the afternoon of April 11, waving a white flag, two members of General Beauregard's staff were rowed across Charleston's harbor to Fort Sumter carrying a written demand for surrender. One of the emissaries - Stephen D. Lee - wrote of the experience after the war:

"This demand was delivered to Major Anderson at 3:45 P.M., by two aides of General Beauregard, James Chesnut, Jr., and myself. At 4:30 P.M. he handed us his reply, refusing to accede to the demand; but added, 'Gentlemen, if you do not batter the fort to pieces about us, we shall be starved out in a few days.' The reply of Major Anderson was put in General Beauregard's hands at 5:15 P.M., and he was also told of this informal remark. Anderson's reply and remark were communicated to the Confederate authorities at Montgomery. The Secretary of War, L.P. Walker, replied to Beauregard as follows:"

'Do not desire needlessly to bombard Fort Sumter. If Major Anderson will state the time at which, as indicated by him, he will evacuate, and agree that in the meantime he will not use his guns against us, unless ours should be employed against Fort Sumter, you are authorized thus to avoid the effusion of blood. If this, or its equivalent, be refused, reduce the fort as your judgment decides to be most practicable.'

" The same aides bore a second communication to Major Anderson, based on the above instructions, which was placed in, his hands at 12:45 A.M., April 12th. His reply indicated that he would evacuate the fort on the 15th, provided he did not in the meantime receive contradictory instructions from his Government, or additional supplies, but he declined to agree not to open his guns upon the Confederate troops, in the event of any hostile demonstration on their part against his flag. Major Anderson made every possible effort to retain the aides till daylight, making one excuse and then another for not replying. Finally, at 3:15 A.M., he delivered his reply. In accordance with their instructions, the aides read it and, finding it unsatisfactory, gave Major Anderson this notification:"

'FORT SUMTER, S.C., April 12, 1861, 3:20 A.M. - SIR: By authority of Brigadier-General Beauregard, commanding the Provisional Forces of the Confederate States, we have the honor to notify you that he will open the fire of his batteries on Fort Sumter in one hour from this time. We have the honor to be very respectfully, Your obedient servants, JAMES CHESNUT JR., Aide-de-camp. STEPHEN D. LEE, Captain C. S. Army, Aide-de-camp.'

The South wanted Slaves. Who started shooting is entirely moot.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I've been a proud southerner my whole life, wouldn't want to live anywhere else

 

[Newell Steamer]

The South wanted Slaves. Who started shooting is entirely moot.

Tut, tut, tut; the South wanted the FREEDOM to enslave people - not slaves.

 

[highland145]

Piss off, brian.

I've been a proud southerner my whole life, wouldn't want to live anywhere else

Thought you lived in Canada....Southern Canada?

 

[xBiffx]

This thread is a shining example of why all P&N threads should require a link to a news story or article and commentary on said link in the OP. Too many trolls just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks and what doesn't. We all know by now, shit sticks more to the P&N walls than anywhere else.

 

[thraashman]

This thread is a shining example of why all P&N threads should require a link to a news story or article and commentary on said link in the OP. Too many trolls just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks and what doesn't. We all know by now, shit sticks more to the P&N walls than anywhere else.

That's a pretty solid summary of P&N.

 

[Blackjack200]

Just to keep it straight the damn yankees started it when they refused to leave Fort Sumter. The south wanted a peaceful secession.

The majority of the Southern leaders who attended the convention expected a peaceful secession; they did not anticipate that their action would lead to bloody conflict. They were wrong. Fort Sumter, lying in the harbor off the city of Charleston, South Carolina, would prove the point.

After her secession from the Union, South Carolina perceived herself as a sovereign state - the presence of Union forces in an armed fortress whose guns commanded her principal harbor was intolerable as it belied her independence. For President Lincoln the voluntary abandonment of this fortress was equally intolerable as it would be a tacit acknowledgment of South Carolina's independent status.

On the afternoon of April 11, waving a white flag, two members of General Beauregard's staff were rowed across Charleston's harbor to Fort Sumter carrying a written demand for surrender. One of the emissaries - Stephen D. Lee - wrote of the experience after the war:

"This demand was delivered to Major Anderson at 3:45 P.M., by two aides of General Beauregard, James Chesnut, Jr., and myself. At 4:30 P.M. he handed us his reply, refusing to accede to the demand; but added, 'Gentlemen, if you do not batter the fort to pieces about us, we shall be starved out in a few days.' The reply of Major Anderson was put in General Beauregard's hands at 5:15 P.M., and he was also told of this informal remark. Anderson's reply and remark were communicated to the Confederate authorities at Montgomery. The Secretary of War, L.P. Walker, replied to Beauregard as follows:"

'Do not desire needlessly to bombard Fort Sumter. If Major Anderson will state the time at which, as indicated by him, he will evacuate, and agree that in the meantime he will not use his guns against us, unless ours should be employed against Fort Sumter, you are authorized thus to avoid the effusion of blood. If this, or its equivalent, be refused, reduce the fort as your judgment decides to be most practicable.'

" The same aides bore a second communication to Major Anderson, based on the above instructions, which was placed in, his hands at 12:45 A.M., April 12th. His reply indicated that he would evacuate the fort on the 15th, provided he did not in the meantime receive contradictory instructions from his Government, or additional supplies, but he declined to agree not to open his guns upon the Confederate troops, in the event of any hostile demonstration on their part against his flag. Major Anderson made every possible effort to retain the aides till daylight, making one excuse and then another for not replying. Finally, at 3:15 A.M., he delivered his reply. In accordance with their instructions, the aides read it and, finding it unsatisfactory, gave Major Anderson this notification:"

'FORT SUMTER, S.C., April 12, 1861, 3:20 A.M. - SIR: By authority of Brigadier-General Beauregard, commanding the Provisional Forces of the Confederate States, we have the honor to notify you that he will open the fire of his batteries on Fort Sumter in one hour from this time. We have the honor to be very respectfully, Your obedient servants, JAMES CHESNUT JR., Aide-de-camp. STEPHEN D. LEE, Captain C. S. Army, Aide-de-camp.'

That's a reeeaaally long way of saying that the Confederates fired the first shot.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Piss off, brian.
Thought you lived in Canada....Southern Canada?

Yes, surrounded by fellow rednecks n hillbillies
There is a rebel flag on display just up the block

 

[mindmajick]

This thread is a shining example of why all P&N threads should require a link to a news story or article and commentary on said link in the OP. Too many trolls just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks and what doesn't. We all know by now, shit sticks more to the P&N walls than anywhere else.

Then it would be just News.

This thread definitely is an example of politics.

 

[thraashman]

That's a reeeaaally long way of saying that the Confederates fired the first shot.

I never understood the insistence of some southerners to defend the actions of the Confederacy which happened 100 years before they were born. I'm a born and raised Georgian. Raised in the city that was burned by Sherman. Grew up surrounded by the Gone With the Wind mentality. And I would never defend the actions of the Confederacy, I know they were wrong. And I see much of that southern racism still present. Amusingly though the racism you see from your standard "redneck" is mostly based on ignorance without really any vitriol. It's the middle class and upper middle class southern yuppies that are hateful racists around here.