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dighn

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: Imdmn04
Yeah take a bunch of pics in Gary, Indiana, and call it the real USA.

Photo journalism is a very powerful propaganda.

The real China is somewhere between the skyscrapers in the city and the poor countryside. By only showing only one end of the spectrum, it then evolves from objective journalism to subjective journalism.

difference is that in china if a communist minder notices you going to the "wrong" places you'll be ejected. in america you can snap away warts and all

I don't see that happening unless the photographer is on a trip arranged by the government or something like that, in which case that would be entirely understandable. Otherwise you can go to any poor village / city "ghettos" you like.
 

LongCoolMother

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: Imdmn04
Yeah take a bunch of pics in Gary, Indiana, and call it the real USA.

Photo journalism is a very powerful propaganda.

The real China is somewhere between the skyscrapers in the city and the poor countryside. By only showing only one end of the spectrum, it then evolves from objective journalism to subjective journalism.

difference is that in china if a communist minder notices you going to the "wrong" places you'll be ejected. in america you can snap away warts and all

Ummmm...... right. I'm an american tourist and I've been to the poorest regions of china without a hitch. Sure, getting to those parts was more than hard, but there were no traces of government intervention.

edit: also, I don't think these pictures are fair. I've been all over China and I can attest to the severe poverty in many rural areas. But that's also not the entire story. The numerous cities are centers of tremendous wealth and even only the very poorest of regions are as bad as some of those displayed in the photographs.
 

ViRGE

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: Imdmn04
Yeah take a bunch of pics in Gary, Indiana, and call it the real USA.

Photo journalism is a very powerful propaganda.

The real China is somewhere between the skyscrapers in the city and the poor countryside. By only showing only one end of the spectrum, it then evolves from objective journalism to subjective journalism.

difference is that in china if a communist minder notices you going to the "wrong" places you'll be ejected. in america you can snap away warts and all
To an extent. A lot of semi-pro photographers have been having problems taking photos of major landmarks though; the local police have been denying them since shortly after September 11th. It's certainly a lot more freedom, but not complete.
 

ghostman

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I like the B&W photos, but I wasn't very fond of the oversaturated color photos. I'm sure it was intentional though.

I was in China over 15 years ago and that's not very representative of the China I visited. And no, I didn't go to Shanghai or Beijing. I went to the villages mostly. It varies. Some areas are very poor farming areas with houses/shacks made of varies pieces of wood and metal. Other areas have nice apartment buildings that was better than the one I have here.
 

gopunk

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most of those pictures, SARS ones excluded, look like they were taken some time in the 50's to 70's. so i suppose it is the real china, if by real, you mean past, and under the worst conditions

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: Imdmn04
Yeah take a bunch of pics in Gary, Indiana, and call it the real USA.

Photo journalism is a very powerful propaganda.

The real China is somewhere between the skyscrapers in the city and the poor countryside. By only showing only one end of the spectrum, it then evolves from objective journalism to subjective journalism.

difference is that in china if a communist minder notices you going to the "wrong" places you'll be ejected. in america you can snap away warts and all

yet another fine example of how brainwashed people can be about "communist" china
 

Syringer

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Originally posted by: Dacalo
I don't think those pictures are fair. Sure they are from China but if someone took pictures of all the ghetto parts of the US and said "The REAL U.S." it would be similar.

I am not Chinese, but I went there in 2001. Not only did I go to Beijing, but I went to rural areas to the north. Some scenes weren't pretty and very unsanitary, but I didn't see anything resembling those. However, China still has a lot of catching up to do.

Some of those pictures look very old.

With a billion and a half people you'll find people from every end of the spectrum there I'd imagine.
 

deepred98

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: Imdmn04
Yeah take a bunch of pics in Gary, Indiana, and call it the real USA.

Photo journalism is a very powerful propaganda.

The real China is somewhere between the skyscrapers in the city and the poor countryside. By only showing only one end of the spectrum, it then evolves from objective journalism to subjective journalism.

difference is that in china if a communist minder notices you going to the "wrong" places you'll be ejected. in america you can snap away warts and all

you really think that the chinese goverment bothers to post guards around all the poor areas (which is a majority of china)?
though china may not be 'free' in American terms, there really aren't that many restrictions and most people have the same amount of 'freedom' as found in the US
 

glutenberg

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Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: Imdmn04
Yeah take a bunch of pics in Gary, Indiana, and call it the real USA.

Photo journalism is a very powerful propaganda.

The real China is somewhere between the skyscrapers in the city and the poor countryside. By only showing only one end of the spectrum, it then evolves from objective journalism to subjective journalism.

difference is that in china if a communist minder notices you going to the "wrong" places you'll be ejected. in america you can snap away warts and all
To an extent. A lot of semi-pro photographers have been having problems taking photos of major landmarks though; the local police have been denying them since shortly after September 11th. It's certainly a lot more freedom, but not complete.

I just came back from Shanghai and Anhui province (Huangshan) a couple of weeks ago and I had no problems taking pictures. In fact, every person I saw had some form of semi-pro DSLR and I didn't see anyone run into trouble with authorities.
 

Dacalo

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Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: Imdmn04
Yeah take a bunch of pics in Gary, Indiana, and call it the real USA.

Photo journalism is a very powerful propaganda.

The real China is somewhere between the skyscrapers in the city and the poor countryside. By only showing only one end of the spectrum, it then evolves from objective journalism to subjective journalism.

difference is that in china if a communist minder notices you going to the "wrong" places you'll be ejected. in america you can snap away warts and all
To an extent. A lot of semi-pro photographers have been having problems taking photos of major landmarks though; the local police have been denying them since shortly after September 11th. It's certainly a lot more freedom, but not complete.

I just came back from Shanghai and Anhui province (Huangshan) a couple of weeks ago and I had no problems taking pictures. In fact, every person I saw had some form of semi-pro DSLR and I didn't see anyone run into trouble with authorities.

Yea, but try to take pictures in the rural areas. My friends and I tried to take some pictures but people would try to stop us. That's communist censorship I guess.
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: gopunk
most of those pictures, SARS ones excluded, look like they were taken some time in the 50's to 70's. so i suppose it is the real china, if by real, you mean past, and under the worst conditions

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: Imdmn04
Yeah take a bunch of pics in Gary, Indiana, and call it the real USA.

Photo journalism is a very powerful propaganda.

The real China is somewhere between the skyscrapers in the city and the poor countryside. By only showing only one end of the spectrum, it then evolves from objective journalism to subjective journalism.

difference is that in china if a communist minder notices you going to the "wrong" places you'll be ejected. in america you can snap away warts and all

yet another fine example of how brainwashed people can be about "communist" china

you don't think the chinese government is a powerful central power that keeps tabs on activists and journalists entering its borders and tries to keep tabs on them? its not like they have to track everyone, most tourists do not go to the areas in question, most stay in "economic zones" and major cities:p most of china isn't like that though. china already squeltches coverage of 50,000 protests a year you know. they are good at what they do.
 

Dacalo

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

you don't think the chinese government is a powerful central power that keeps tabs on activists and journalists entering its borders and tries to keep tabs on them? its not like they have to track everyone, most tourists do not go to the areas in question, most stay in "economic zones" and major cities:p most of china isn't like that though. china already squeltches coverage of 50,000 protests a year you know. they are good at what they do.

It's because most Chinese are farmers. :p ;)
 

sindows

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Those pics are probably very old and touched up with photoshop. The styling of clothing is much older than what people currently wear(at least a few years ago when I was back in China.) And these pics are hugely unrepresentative of modern china even in the countryside.