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Taxes aren't an issue of human rights and civil liberties. If you want to personally surrender some of your human rights and live in a caste system, then feel free to do so. However, you should not impose your caste system onto anyone who doesn't want to live in a caste system structure.

Why do you feel that it is appropriate to impose your caste system onto unwilling people who are opposed to caste systems?
 
RabidMongoose said:
Taxes aren't an issue of human rights and civil liberties. If you want to personally surrender some of your human rights and live in a caste system, then feel free to do so. However, you should not impose your caste system onto anyone who doesn't want to live in a caste system structure.

Why do you feel that it is appropriate to impose your caste system onto unwilling people who are opposed to caste systems?
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Do you think right wingers should be able to hold back their taxes that would go to social payments they dont agree with, what about lefties who dont want to pay towards the military?
 
WelshBloke said:
Do you think right wingers should be able to hold back their taxes that would go to social payments they dont agree with, what about lefties who dont want to pay towards the military?
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No. However, those aren't issues of human rights.

Do you think that a caste system should be forced upon people who don't want to be oppressed by the caste system?
 
WelshBloke said:
How is anyone oppressed in this "caste" system?
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For one, they are barred from the possibility of ever being the head of state. They are prevented enjoying the privileges afforded the royalty caste.

You didn't answer my question. Do you think that a caste system should be forced upon people who don't want to be oppressed by the caste system?
 
RabidMongoose said:
For one, they are barred from the possibility of ever being the head of state. They are prevented enjoying the privileges afforded the royalty caste.

You didn't answer my question. Do you think that a caste system should be forced upon people who don't want to be oppressed by the caste system?
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So how would they enjoy the privileges of the royal "caste" if you abolished the royal "caste"?
 
WelshBloke said:
So how would they enjoy the privileges of the royal "caste" if you abolished the royal "caste"?
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Those responsibilities and positions delegated to the royal caste would then be open to everyone. There would be no caste divisions.

You didn't answer my question. Do you think that a caste system should be forced upon people who don't want to be oppressed by the caste system?
 
RabidMongoose said:
Those responsibilities and positions delegated to the royal caste would then be open to everyone. There would be no caste divisions.

You didn't answer my question. Do you think that a caste system should be forced upon people who don't want to be oppressed by the caste system?
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How would those positions be opened to everyone if the positions are abolished? And which responsibilities would be open to everyone?

Also how would this get rid of the "caste" system? Would you force the royals to marry people they didn't want to?
 
WelshBloke said:
How would those positions be opened to everyone if the positions are abolished? And which responsibilities would be open to everyone?

Also how would this get rid of the "caste" system? Would you force the royals to marry people they didn't want to?
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The positions wouldn't necessarily be abolished. For example, anyone could then be the head of state.

It would abolish the caste system because then there would be no official recognition of royals and peasants.

You didn't answer my question. Do you think that a caste system should be forced upon people who don't want to be oppressed by the caste system?
 
RabidMongoose said:
The positions wouldn't necessarily be abolished. For example, anyone could then be the head of state.

It would abolish the caste system because then there would be no official recognition of royals and peasants.

You didn't answer my question. Do you think that a caste system should be forced upon people who don't want to be oppressed by the caste system?
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Caste systems dont need to operate on official recognition.

So you'd abolish the monarchy and then institute a similar system with the same positions but not hereditary?

Plus without the land and property that belongs to members of the royal family.
 
WelshBloke said:
Caste systems dont need to operate on official recognition.

So you'd abolish the monarchy and then institute a similar system with the same positions but not hereditary?
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I would abolish the monarchy. Personally, I would not have a monarchy or any other such position. But if you wanted to keep them, then the position of head of state could then go to anyone, even of people who were part of the peasant caste. It would also not be hereditary.

Plus without the land and property that belongs to members of the royal family.
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They can keep their own private land, but obviously they cannot keep the land that belongs to the institution itself.

You didn't answer my question. Do you think that a caste system should be forced upon people who don't want to be oppressed by the caste system?
 
RabidMongoose said:
I would abolish the monarchy. Personally, I would not have a monarchy or any other such position. But if you wanted to keep them, then the position of head of state could then go to anyone, even of people who were part of the peasant caste. It would also not be hereditary.



They can keep their own private land, but obviously they cannot keep the land that belongs to the institution itself.

You didn't answer my question. Do you think that a caste system should be forced upon people who don't want to be oppressed by the caste system?
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So how would abolishing the Monarchy get rid of this "caste system"?

Is all you're bothered about is having a powerless elected head of state? A bit like the Irish president?
 
RabidMongoose,

Where are your links? The await links to published dictionaries showing definitions of the word "caste" and definitions of the word "peasant" that match your definitions, as quoted below:


RabidMongoose said:
If a society has royalty with official responsibilities and privileges and discriminatory aspects to the royalty, then it's a caste system.
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RabidMongoose said:
A peasant is someone in the UK caste system who subjects himself or herself to a subordinated caste within the UK caste system.
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I will also await the link you are planning to supply, showing that Royals cannot marry outside of their race or religion.

Without these three pieces of evidence, your argument is void, and it is therefore clear that the UK has no caste system, and is not full of peasants. If however you post all three pieces of data, that other members (a majority) of the forum* deem acceptable (I will start a poll for you) then I will concede your victory on the matter and agree with you wholeheartedly.

Happy Searching.

*who participate in the poll.
 
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WelshBloke said:
So how would abolishing the Monarchy get rid of this "caste system"?

Is all you're bothered about is having a powerless elected head of state? A bit like the Irish president?
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Why are you avoiding my question: Do you think that a caste system should be forced upon people who don't want to be oppressed by the caste system?
 
RabidMongoose said:
Taxes aren't an issue of human rights and civil liberties. If you want to personally surrender some of your human rights and live in a caste system, then feel free to do so. However, you should not impose your caste system onto anyone who doesn't want to live in a caste system structure.

Why do you feel that it is appropriate to impose your caste system onto unwilling people who are opposed to caste systems?
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and here you are advocating that Argentina take control of the British citizens living on the Falkland islands.....

It wouldn't involve a war between two nations. How about if we let Argentina control the islands for 100 years, give the current kelpers dual Argentinian/UK citizenship, and then have a vote after 100 years?
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good god you do hate the English dont you.

you want Argentina to take over the FI, you want to destroy the English monarchy even though they have no power at all. what else do you hate about the English?

England has not ruled over India since 1947, the British have no say so if the Indian government sanctions a caste system. seems like you need to direct your anger towards India not England.
 
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RabidMongoose said:
Why are you avoiding my question: Do you think that a caste system should be forced upon people who don't want to be oppressed by the caste system?
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I dont agree that there is a caste system in place.

I still think that you are a paternalist who wishes to make others live their lives in the only manner in which he approves of. You are the kind of person who will happily use ethnic slurs against people he doesn't like whilst pretending to be against discrimination. Someone who will happily disposes people he doesn't like of their land and belongings whilst pretending to be for civil rights.

You are, in short, a nasty piece of work.
 
WelshBloke said:
I dont agree that there is a caste system in place.

I still think that you are a paternalist who wishes to make others live their lives in the only manner in which he approves of. You are the kind of person who will happily use ethnic slurs against people he doesn't like whilst pretending to be against discrimination. Someone who will happily disposes people he doesn't like of their land and belongings whilst pretending to be for civil rights.

You are, in short, a nasty piece of work.
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You're not answering the question. It doesn't matter if you disagree that the caste system exists. It's still a question that your'e dodging, largely because you have already admitted to being against human rights.
 
OutHouse said:
England has not ruled over India since 1947, the British have no say so if the Indian government sanctions a caste system. seems like you need to direct your anger towards India not England.
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India officially banned their caste system. The UK still mandates and demands to keep its caste system. That's a huge difference.
 
According to your own position, you can't condemn slavery in other countries. I disagree with that position. I feel that slavery is wrong, no matter where it happens.

Do you think that it's appropriate to force a caste system upon people who don't want it? Obviously you do since you don't answer this question.
 
RabidMongoose said:
According to your own position, you can't condemn slavery in other countries. I disagree with that position. I feel that slavery is wrong, no matter where it happens.

Do you think that it's appropriate to force a caste system upon people who don't want it? Obviously you do since you don't answer this question.
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You're not answering the question. It doesn't matter if you disagree that you own slaves. It's still a question that your'e dodging, largely because you have already admitted to being against human rights.
 
WelshBloke said:
You're not answering the question. It doesn't matter if you disagree that you own slaves. It's still a question that your'e dodging, largely because you have already admitted to being against human rights.
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As I knew, you want to be paternalistic and impose your caste system upon others.

It even appears that you want to have slaves.
 
RabidMongoose said:
As I knew, you want to be paternalistic and impose your caste system upon others.
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You're not answering the question. It doesn't matter if you disagree that you own slaves. It's still a question that your'e dodging, largely because you have already admitted to being against human rights.
 
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