The Queen of Canada when she was young.

[halik]

I could marry in. Easy as pie.

You're argument is like saying "you cannot make yourself rich, only others can grant you wealth through economic systems"

I can become a royal the same as I can become a millionaire. I can work my way up there, through luck, skill, contacts and persistence. Yes, I will be reliant on others.

Do you realize the above is entirely devoid of logic?

"you cannot make yourself rich, only others can grant you wealth through economic systems" - Patently false, you do not have someone else give you money to become rich

"you yourself cannot make yourself noble, you have to be let in" - patently true. You have to have someone else grand you nobility status; it cannot be achieved without them.

 

[HAL9000]

Do you realize the above is entirely devoid of logic?

"you cannot make yourself rich, only others can grant you wealth through economic systems" - Patently false, you do not have someone else give you money to become rich

if no one else bought your x then you wouldn't be rich, if no one else funded you, then you wouldn't be rich. If you were the only person on the planet you wouldn't be rich.

"you yourself cannot make yourself noble, you have to be let in" - patently true. You have to have someone else grand you nobility status; it cannot be achieved without them.

And wealth can't be achieved without other people. Potato Potato.

You're argument is like saying "Bill Gate's family is a high caste, because you can't be granted entry unless a member of his family allows you in"... Fucking retarded.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Some people are born into royalty

Exactly. Caste system.

 

[HAL9000]

Exactly. Caste system.

Some people are born german. Caste System?

Some people are born famous. Caste System?

Some people are born brain damaged. Caste System?

Some people are born rich. Caste System?

Some people are born with political influence. Caste System?

No.

 

[Dari]

Some people are born german. Caste System?

Some people are born famous. Caste System?

Some people are born brain damaged. Caste System?

Some people are born rich. Caste System?

Some people are born with political influence. Caste System?

No.

I don't think you're playing dumb...

 

[RabidMongoose]

Some people are born german. Caste System?

Some people are born famous. Caste System?

Some people are born brain damaged. Caste System?

Some people are born rich. Caste System?

Some people are born with political influence. Caste System?

No.

People are who born into a rigid system of the type of the UK royalty that you admit gives responsibilities and privileges and also has special positions and powers = caste system.

You've now admitted to it.

 

[HAL9000]

People are who born into a rigid system of the type of the UK royalty that you admit gives responsibilities and privileges and also has special positions and powers = caste system.

So when you're born into a family, where you will eventually take over your fathers billion dollar company, you're born into a caste system?

No.

 

[WelshBloke]

If you decide to apply a word to only other societies and imply that your society is incapable of being associated with the word, then you are saying that the word has a worse connotation.

Why do you feel that non-European societies are inferior and are thus only capable of having caste systems?

...

Who has said that non Europeans are only capable of having caste systems? Only you, I think you are projecting your feelings on others.

 

[SKORPI0]

Social structure of the United Kingdom

Formal classifications

[edit] Archaic

At the time of the formation of the United Kingdom in 1707, England and Scotland had similar class based social structures. Some basic categories covering most of the population of the UK around this time are as follows[citation needed]:

Class Characteristics

Cottagers and labourers Cottagers were a step below husbandmen, in that they had to work for others for wages. Lowest order of the working castes; perhaps vagabonds, drifters, criminals or other outcasts would be lower. Husbandman (or other tradesmen) A tradesman or farmer who either rented a home or owned very little land was a husbandman. In ancient feudal times, this person likely would have been a serf, and paid a large portion of his work or produce to the land-holding lord.
Yeoman The yeoman class generally included small farmers who held a reasonable amount of land and were able to protect themselves from neighbouring lords et cetera. They played a military role as longbowmen. Sometimes Merchant citizens are placed between Yeoman and Gentry in early modern social hierarchy.
Gentry/Gentleman The gentry by definition held enough assets to live on rents without working, and so could be well educated. If they worked it was in law, as priests, in politics, or in other educated pursuits without manual labour. The term Esquire was used for landowners who were not knighted. Many gentry families were armigerous and of ancient lineage possessing great wealth and large estates.
Knight The definition of a knight depends upon the century in which the term was applied. In very early medieval times a knight was a common soldier; later as cavalry became more important the knight's role became more associated with wealth. By the seventeenth century a knight was a senior member of the gentry, and the military role would be one of sheriff of a county, or organizing a larger body of military forces, or in civil service exercising judicial authority. He was a large land owner, and his younger sons would often be lawyers, priests, or officials of some sort.
Baronet (hereditary, non peer) A baronet held a hereditary style of knighthood, giving the highest rank below a peerage.
Peer (Noble/Archbishop) The peers were generally large land holders, living solely off assets, sat in the House of Lords and either held court or played a role in court depending upon the time frame referenced.
Royal A member of the royal family, a prince, a close relative of the queen or king. [edit]
20th century

Main article: NRS social grade
The social grade classification created by the National Readership Survey over 50 years ago achieved widespread usage during the 20th Century in marketing and government reports and statistics.

Grade Occupation

A Higher managerial, administrative or professional
B Intermediate managerial, administrative or professional
C1 Supervisory or clerical and junior managerial, administrative or professional
C2 Skilled manual workers D Semi and unskilled manual workers
E Casual or lowest grade workers, pensioners and others who depend on the state for their income [edit]

21st century

Main article: National Statistics Socio-economic Classification
The UK Office of National Statistics (ONS) produced a new socio-economic classification in 2001.[8] The reason was to provide a more comprehensive and detailed classification to take newer employment patterns into account.

Group Description NRS equivalent

1 Higher Professional and Managerial workers A
2 Lower Managerial and Professional workers B
3 Intermediate occupations C1 and C2
4 Small Employers and non professional self-employed C1 and C2
5 Lower Supervisory and technical C1 and C2
6 Semi Routine Occupations D
7 Routine Occupations D
8 Long term unemployed E

Glad I'm not a UK/British citizen. 😵

 

[RabidMongoose]

Who has said that non Europeans are only capable of having caste systems? Only you, I think you are projecting your feelings on others.

That is effectively what you and HAL are saying. The UK caste system matches well with the definition of caste.

 

[CallMeJoe]

...

Give it up. RM and CoW are beyond reason when it comes to anything Anglo, much less the royal family.

 

[RabidMongoose]

So when you're born into a family, where you will eventually take over your fathers billion dollar company, you're born into a caste system?

No.

When you're born into royalty, then you're born into a caste system.

 

[HAL9000]

Social structure of the United Kingdom



Glad I'm not a UK/British citizen. 😵

Yeah I hated the UK when it was 1707 aswell, I remember it like it was 305 years ago.

 

[HAL9000]

That is effectively what you and HAL are saying.

No it isn't.

When you're born into royalty, then you're born into a caste system.

Just like when you're born into a billion dollar family business, like your last post explained.

 

[dennilfloss]

They raised The Queen’s Personal Canadian Flag on Parliament Hill this morning to launch Her Majesty's Diamond Jubilee in Canada. 😎

Salve Regina!^_^

 

[HAL9000]

They raised The Queen’s Personal Canadian Flag on Parliament Hill this morning to launch Her Majesty's Diamond Jubilee in Canada. 😎

Salve Regina!^_^

Me and my friends had a party to celebrate tonight, I put my photo of the Queen back up on my fireplace 🙂

 

[dennilfloss]

Cool.😎

 

[WelshBloke]

That is effectively what you and HAL are saying. The UK caste system matches well with the definition of caste.

No i think non Europeans are capable of a class system as well.

Your the one that thinks the caste system is something terrible, I've made no value judgement on it at all.

So why do you think everyone with a caste system is inferior?

 

[RabidMongoose]

No i think non Europeans are capable of a class system as well.

Your the one that thinks the caste system is something terrible, I've made no value judgement on it at all.

So why do you think everyone with a caste system is inferior?

I think that caste systems are terrible. Are you saying that caste systems are good? This might actually explain why you're fine with the UK caste system.

I think that everyone can have class systems and caste systems. However, you and HAL appear to think that only non-Europeans can have a caste system.

 

[HAL9000]

However, you and HAL appear to think that only non-Europeans can have a caste system.

We don't think that, you are confused.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Just like when you're born into a billion dollar family business, like your last post explained.

If you're born into a family, you're just born into that family. That family is not given special privileges and responsibilities sanctioned by a rigid social and governmental structure. However, as you have admitted in my sig, people born into the royal caste are accorded special privileges and responsibilities. Moreover, you admit that they can't be Muslim, they can't be black, etc.

It's a caste system. You have admitted to it. If you're born into royalty, then there is a caste system.

 

[HAL9000]

If you're born into a family, you're just born into that family. That family is not given special privileges and responsibilities sanctioned by a rigid social and governmental structure.

Sure it is. Social Structure: Fame
Governmental Structure: Economics.

However, as you have admitted in my sig, people born into the royal caste are accorded special privileges and responsibilities. Moreover, you admit that they can't be Muslim, they can't be black, etc.

I said they can't be born black or muslim, just like every other white christian family the world over.

It's a caste system. You have admitted to it.

No I didn't.

If you're born into royalty, then there is a caste system.

Just like when you're born into a billion dollar family business, like your last post explained.

 

[WelshBloke]

I think that caste systems are terrible. Are you saying that caste systems are good? This might actually explain why you're fine with the UK caste system.

I think that everyone can have class systems and caste systems. However, you and HAL appear to think that only non-Europeans can have a caste system.

You're very intolerant of other cultures, have you always been xenophobic?

 

[RabidMongoose]

You're very intolerant of other cultures, have you always been xenophobic?

So you feel that caste systems are appropriate?

 

[RabidMongoose]

I said they can't be born black or muslim,.

Exactly. It's part of the caste structure.