polarmystery
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SneakyStuff
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Brainonska511
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If parents want their kids taught Fairy Tales in science classes, then those states will fall behind and it will be their own fault.
:roll: NCLB is based on standardized test scores not grades :roll:
It looks like CA libtards have infiltrated the TX school system.
To bad Texas is a Red state and the NCLB is part of the republican Admin.
But yea its the "liberals" causing it. :roll:
DrPizza
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But not federal standardized test scores. Each state is allowed to set their own standards. There was a study in one of the educational journals a few months ago that concluded that the majority of states (all but one or two, IIRC) were simply allowing standards to slide downward slightly on the standardized tests in order to show improvement. I'm most familiar with NY's exams. In the past, the algebra exam was truly a test to see if you knew algebra. Now, they have a test with scoring conversion charts, etc. I think that on the last exam, a 39/85 equated to a 65%. All the exam scores were sent in to a testing company who came up with the conversion chart. There's no doubt in anyone's mind that they simply said "Okay, what score needs to convert to 65% so that xx% of the students pass the exam?" Which was followed by a big party somewhere for higher level officials who patted themselves on the back and said "What a successful year! We did it!" Fortunately for us (teachers & students who want to learn & be assessed more accurately and appropriately) that is the only state exam in mathematics that's required for graduation. The other exams seem to be much more rigorous & realistic assessments of a student's abilities. It's really hard though, trying to explain to a parent why a 75% on the 1st state exam is indicative that little junior is going to fall flat on his face when he moves up to higher level math courses.
Also, this case in Dallas is one case where I hope the teacher's union steps in and uses its power for the benefit of the students. Personally, I can see some of the good intentions in these new rules, and feel the article was written with a slant to make it look worse than it is. I think the purpose is to get the teachers in the district to be more responsible for their students learning & doing their work. The students can still be given zeros, but the teacher first has to show that they made efforts to help the student get the work done - contacts with home, etc.
Put yourself in a parent's shoes - Little Johnny's reportcard shows a 50% average - you wonder how that can be. Then, you find out it's because Johnny didn't do *any* of his homework. And, you wonder, WHY DIDN'T THE TEACHER INFORM ME THAT HE WASN'T DOING HIS HOMEWORK BEFORE IT WAS TOO LATE??! And that, in a nutshell, is what the intent of this change seems to be.
Personally, some of you would have loved being in my senior level math classes (calculus & pre-calculus) - by the time a student is a senior, I feel that to help them make the transition to college, I need to stop holding their hands & checking their homework every day. Homework is 10% of their average, and I automatically give a 100% average for homework on day 1 (with the right reserved to change that for particularly problematic students.) I always tell students they must think I'm an idiot if I can't tell each day if they've done the homework or not; they're in the same room as me, and no further than 20 feet away when I go over homework questions. But, by the end of the year, students learn that their grades on tests are generally a good reflection on the effort they put into the course. If they're really really smart & can get 100's without doing any homework - more power to them. Those students are very few and far between in mathematics (calculus level.) - They may be able to get a 100%, but not unless I give them extra time to complete the test.
I'm fine with it, as long as none of these kids get to go to college.
"Oh yeah I got a 4.0!!! I didn't do any work, but got straight A's"
"Oh yeah I got a 4.0!!! I didn't do any work, but got straight A's"
There is a lot more that the students are supposed to be learning in school than the academic materials themselves and these changes will completely abolish those learning experiences. When are people going to learn that school is not all about the grades and gathering of academic knowledge. There is so much more...
Now, that doesn't mean that I disagree with teachers being allowed to give students second chances at their discretion. Life is full of second chances and many hold a lot of merit, but it should be at the teacher's discretion and not some form of district wide requirement.
Also, I need to ask my boss for a raise and a promotion ASAP. I wish to be evaluated based on effort rather than my performance and I plan to use that as my main persuasive argument. I tried so I should get it no matter what amirite? You think she will give it to me? :roll:
Now, that doesn't mean that I disagree with teachers being allowed to give students second chances at their discretion. Life is full of second chances and many hold a lot of merit, but it should be at the teacher's discretion and not some form of district wide requirement.
Also, I need to ask my boss for a raise and a promotion ASAP. I wish to be evaluated based on effort rather than my performance and I plan to use that as my main persuasive argument. I tried so I should get it no matter what amirite? You think she will give it to me? :roll:
Scarpozzi
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Wow. I think these idiots making rules like that should be taken out and beaten. I have no patience for those administrators that are trying to solve the problem of low scores the easy way. They don't care about the students. They only want their district to get a higher GPA, any way possible, so they can compete with higher-scoring districts for college seats.
The truth is that this is only going to hinder learning and cause the further demise of GPAs that WILL show up on standardized tests.
The truth is that this is only going to hinder learning and cause the further demise of GPAs that WILL show up on standardized tests.
We need more service industry workers for the ruling class. This just ensures that they aren't smart enough to figure out that that's all they are.
GuitarDaddy
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This is nothing new, just formalizing what has been happening for years. I went to a large inner-city HS in the seventies and it was past ridiculous even 30yrs ago, if you showed up everyday for role call you were pretty much guaranteed a B even if you couldn't spell your own fsking name. If you answered a few questions and acted half ass interested an A was guaranteed. I sailed through HS with straight A's and NEVER cracked a book or did any homework to speak of, which made the first year of college a pretty harsh wake up call.
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Man, I wish I lived there so I could go back and re-take Biology 11, it always bothered me that I only got a B in that class.
KT
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