The problem with the Wii

[JTsyo]

Originally posted by: Thraxen
Go to the bottom end and it's just as bad. Check out how many games are 50 or lower on each system. The Wii has a terrible good/bad game ratio. Simply terrible. As as often as people love to compare it to the PS2, the numbers say other otherwise. The PS2's good/bad ratio... say 80 plus over 50 or less... is much better than the Wii's.

It's part and parcel of the wider audience. People playing on the PS3 and 360 will be checking out reviews and discussing the games on forums. The causal gamer will mostly go to the store and look at the back of the cover to see what kind of game it is.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: Rage187
dont forget the shitty graphics.

sersiouly, the original xbox had better graphics. I'd be happy if it just had some AA.

Graphics never make a game good. They are the least important part of making a game good.

It is 2009, I want it all, and the Wii doesn't provide it. Ours lasted 6 months before being sold, the last few of which it became the dust collector many dubbed it as.

I read that MS is planning on a huge upswing in shovelware erm....casual games for the 360 now. It is a bad trend IMO, and my wallet will be voting against it.

I haven't even touched my Wii (no pun intended) in like 8 months. There is nothing to play once you get past the first party titles and maybe a handful of third. I would sell mine but the person I live with got it for me for xmas.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: Rage187
dont forget the shitty graphics.

sersiouly, the original xbox had better graphics. I'd be happy if it just had some AA.

Graphics never make a game good. They are the least important part of making a game good.

I would accept shitty graphics if the Wii had GOOD GAMES. Shit, I don't care if they are sprite based.

EDIT: Case in point - Dwarf Fortress is one of the best games I've played in a loooong time.

 

[RU482]

Wii...or nintendo games in general, have always been designed for the Japanese mindset...and/or the American preteen mindset. Sure there are adolescent and beyond games, but not nearly a majority.

A wii is what you buy for your kids. An xBox/PS3 is what you buy for yourself

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: RU482
Wii...or nintendo games in general, have always been designed for the Japanese mindset...and/or the American preteen mindset. Sure there are adolescent and beyond games, but not nearly a majority.

A wii is what you buy for your kids. An xBox/PS3 is what you buy for yourself

Nintendo made games are usually go. However, the common complaint is that there isn't enough good games outside the few first party games on the Wii.

 

[Imaginer]

Originally posted by: akugami
With all that said, ratings are subjective. I can rate a game as a must buy product and the guy next to me can say it's a POS.

Exactly. If you only look at the numbers without looking for the reason behind the numbers and figuring yourself as the consumer with a particular taste in mind, then you are blindly following in purchasing just like the guy who doesn't know any better.

I hate to break this example every time but this game had a horrible score amongst "professional gamer" websites but the truth of it is very far from the proclaimed perceived failure it is. Sure there is obvious areas of improvement but it is one of those games that gets overlooked because it doesn't fit the so called "gamer" mindset when it really is a Wii take on a traditional known genre, done well.

Even if it is not a game that doesn't suffer immediately with professional review number rating metrics, it mostly gets ignored by many. Zack and Wiki when I looked seemed to be largely missed initially because it didn't fit the "traditional" expected "gamer" atmosphere. Alot of people seemed to have forgotten Elebits, Boom Blox, and Trama Center as well.

The lack of good games isn't a problem for me. Looking back at 2008 when I did purchase my own Wii, I had pleanty to pick from. Hardcore/casual, it only a term that defines how much time one is willing to spend on the pasttime and for me I don't play it hardcore/religiously but it is a fun enjoyment activity. When I look at these "glut of casual" games, I find it is perhaps wrongly associated with games as you can spend as much time as you want on games or as very little. If anything, the Wii probably lacks more of the "action packed, atmospheric" titles we are used to seeing on the PC, Xbox 360, and the Playstation 3 but that is changing.

 

[Imaginer]

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: Rage187
dont forget the shitty graphics.

sersiouly, the original xbox had better graphics. I'd be happy if it just had some AA.

Graphics never make a game good. They are the least important part of making a game good.

I would accept shitty graphics if the Wii had GOOD GAMES. Shit, I don't care if they are sprite based.

EDIT: Case in point - Dwarf Fortress is one of the best games I've played in a loooong time.

Oh geez, a friend introduced me to that game! ASCII graphics galore! But it plays very well. Too bad I can't make those little guys survive. It is very steep in learning curve for the basic mechanics of survival and how to get there.

 

[StageLeft]

I've never really understood the wii. I've played the sports games but the gimmick of the controller quickly bored me and then there didn't seem much left. One night I was at somebody's house and got so damn bored with wii bowling or tennis I wondered if there was something wrong with me. The other people seemed to like it but it interested me in no way.

dont forget the shitty graphics.

They really are terrible. I think for me that's part of why I have found it so unimpressive.

Graphics never make a game good. They are the least important part of making a game good.

If that was the case, we wouldn't see more powerful computer games and consoles. For me, graphics are a key part of the equation. This is why I never ever play old games. I know people who play emulator games I'm like damn get your eyes checked that looks like hell.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: Imaginer

Originally posted by: akugami
With all that said, ratings are subjective. I can rate a game as a must buy product and the guy next to me can say it's a POS.

Exactly. If you only look at the numbers without looking for the reason behind the numbers and figuring yourself as the consumer with a particular taste in mind, then you are blindly following in purchasing just like the guy who doesn't know any better.

I hate to break this example every time but this game had a horrible score amongst "professional gamer" websites but the truth of it is very far from the proclaimed perceived failure it is. Sure there is obvious areas of improvement but it is one of those games that gets overlooked because it doesn't fit the so called "gamer" mindset when it really is a Wii take on a traditional known genre, done well.

Even if it is not a game that doesn't suffer immediately with professional review number rating metrics, it mostly gets ignored by many. Zack and Wiki when I looked seemed to be largely missed initially because it didn't fit the "traditional" expected "gamer" atmosphere. Alot of people seemed to have forgotten Elebits, Boom Blox, and Trama Center as well.

The lack of good games isn't a problem for me. Looking back at 2008 when I did purchase my own Wii, I had pleanty to pick from. Hardcore/casual, it only a term that defines how much time one is willing to spend on the pasttime and for me I don't play it hardcore/religiously but it is a fun enjoyment activity. When I look at these "glut of casual" games, I find it is perhaps wrongly associated with games as you can spend as much time as you want on games or as very little. If anything, the Wii probably lacks more of the "action packed, atmospheric" titles we are used to seeing on the PC, Xbox 360, and the Playstation 3 but that is changing.

Although I usually agree with reviews and thought boom blox was brilliant, Z&W was the most aggravating and overrated game Ive played in a long time. That game wasnt fun, it was a job.

Whatever the overall quality of games are, theres enough great games already out to make the system a worthy purchase. Last year was a drag for the wii, but the 360/ps3 picked up the slack. I'm sure at this point anyone cares about games enough to read reviews or visit this forum probably has a PC, 360 or PS3 as well.

I havent turned it on a month or two and I still think its a great system with plenty of potential left.

 

[DivideBYZero]

I have a large library of Wii games, Cube games, Virtual Console and Wii Ware, but I'm hitting a fucking huge brick wall with storage. Other than that I'm happy with the Wii that I have had since launch day. Sure, there is a metric shit-ton of bad games, but would a hardcore gamer ever buy them?

 

[Fardringle]

Originally posted by: Imaginer

Originally posted by: akugami
With all that said, ratings are subjective. I can rate a game as a must buy product and the guy next to me can say it's a POS.

Exactly. If you only look at the numbers without looking for the reason behind the numbers and figuring yourself as the consumer with a particular taste in mind, then you are blindly following in purchasing just like the guy who doesn't know any better.

I hate to break this example every time but this game had a horrible score amongst "professional gamer" websites but the truth of it is very far from the proclaimed perceived failure it is. Sure there is obvious areas of improvement but it is one of those games that gets overlooked because it doesn't fit the so called "gamer" mindset when it really is a Wii take on a traditional known genre, done well.

Even if it is not a game that doesn't suffer immediately with professional review number rating metrics, it mostly gets ignored by many. Zack and Wiki when I looked seemed to be largely missed initially because it didn't fit the "traditional" expected "gamer" atmosphere. Alot of people seemed to have forgotten Elebits, Boom Blox, and Trama Center as well.

The lack of good games isn't a problem for me. Looking back at 2008 when I did purchase my own Wii, I had pleanty to pick from. Hardcore/casual, it only a term that defines how much time one is willing to spend on the pasttime and for me I don't play it hardcore/religiously but it is a fun enjoyment activity. When I look at these "glut of casual" games, I find it is perhaps wrongly associated with games as you can spend as much time as you want on games or as very little. If anything, the Wii probably lacks more of the "action packed, atmospheric" titles we are used to seeing on the PC, Xbox 360, and the Playstation 3 but that is changing.

I happen to enjoy my Wii a lot. I bought it for myself, not for my kids (although they get to play with it once in a while). I do not like the supposedly "grown up" kill/steal/destroy everything games, and the more light-hearted games on the Wii like the Lego series and sports games really appeal to me. I use my Wii Fit almost every day. I took a close look at We Cheer, but just as with the Rock Band/Guitar Hero games, there are only a couple of songs that I could even stand to have playing somewhere in the house. I certainly wouldn't want to dance to them or try to play them repeatedly. The Guitar Hero music is better than what is included with We Cheer, but still not enough to make me want to buy it. If/When any games like that actually get some decent music, I would probably buy them.

edit: I enjoyed Zack and Wiki for the most part. It is entertaining for the most part and makes your brain work (I can see how that would turn some people off), but it has very little replay value so it's a decent option but not a great one.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: Fardringle
edit: I enjoyed Zack and Wiki for the most part. It is entertaining for the most part and makes your brain work (I can see how that would turn some people off), but it has very little replay value so it's a decent option but not a great one.

I enjoyed it up until midway through the game where it became purely a matter of trial and error. That error or complete blindside death would lead to restarting the level, and just go through the motions for 5-10 minutes until you get back to the point you died, and hope you get it right this time, or nothing falls from the sky to kill you. Its not fun to replay a puzzle game when you already know the solution, its even less fun to do it several times just to get blindsided by something you literally could not know would kill you till you tried and failed.

Thats not hardcore, that annoying, and I dont have the time for that BS. Was an interesting use of the wiimote and all, and I probably would have really enjoyed it if you didnt have to constantly replay the stuff you already did. Has nothing to do with using your brain.

 

[Fardringle]

I can't argue with that. The last several levels were very annoying at times. The puzzles were good, but the random "you fail" events made it tedious. That's part of the reason why it has no replay value for me. As you said, once you know the solution to a puzzle, the more tedious/aggravating steps eliminate all of the fun.

 

[gar655]

Haven't touched mine/ours since getting the 360. I will most likely be getting "The Conduit" for it along with the motion plus add on and some type of gun like holder. I'm having a hard time adjusting to the 2 stick control method used for the 360 FPS. I can't hit shit!

 

[sactoking]

IMO, the people most likely to crap on the Wii for not being 'hardcore enuf' would enjoy playing "Grand Theft Auto: Sheboygan Shenanigans" or "Call of Duty 7: World at War 5: Sniper Warfare 3: Be the Bullet!". That tells me enough to discount their opinion to 0.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: sactoking
IMO, the people most likely to crap on the Wii for not being 'hardcore enuf' would enjoy playing "Grand Theft Auto: Sheboygan Shenanigans" or "Call of Duty 7: World at War 5: Sniper Warfare 3: Be the Bullet!". That tells me enough to discount their opinion to 0.

:laugh:

 

[coreyb]

yeah...grand theft auto and call of duty are for losers...

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

No mean to threadjack? I invested in a Wii and even modded it and bought GHWT. I'm pissed as crap because even with component cables the singing text looks like CRAP! Should I sell my Wii and move on to an XBox?

 

[DannyLove]

Wii is in its own category and should not be compared to xbox or ps3. Its a kids console with kid/family type games. Its like a sick version of Disneyland. You over-pay for the entrance fee.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: CKDragon

Raise the bar to 85%, and the difference is even more pronounced: 360 owners can play twice as many games rated above 85% as Wii owners, while the PS3 nearly triples Nintendo's numbers.

The 360 has 54 games rated at 85% or better.
The PS3 has 38 games rated at 85% or better.
The Wii has 16 games rated at 85% or better.

This is a very reliable article.

I don't think I'm reading the article properly, 'cause those numbers don't match the text... "360 owners can play twice as many games rated above 85% as Wii owners"... no, they can play 3.5x as many. "PS3 nearly triples Nintendo's numbers"... 3x16 = 48... 38/16 = 2.375....

Based on the text, I assumed that the PS3 supposedly had more titles greater than 85% than the 360 did (which sounded really odd to me as I thought it was the opposite).

Oh and reading down further in this thread, it seems we agree.

 

[ric1287]

The problem with the Wii is that MS (and Sony if they don't go bankrupt) are turning their focus to shitty-non-gamer games with the hopes of printing money like nintendo. But how long will that last? How many games are Mommys/Girlfriends going to buy? So they end up killing off good games, losing millions of actual gamers just to make a couple bucks of grandma's playing glorified flash games.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: ric1287
The problem with the Wii is that MS (and Sony if they don't go bankrupt) are turning their focus to shitty-non-gamer games with the hopes of printing money like nintendo. But how long will that last? How many games are Mommys/Girlfriends going to buy? So they end up killing off good games, losing millions of actual gamers just to make a couple bucks of grandma's playing glorified flash games.

I seriously doubt MS is really losing gamers because they put out scene it or viva pinata last year.

 

[A5]

I have a Wii, and the only thing I've played on it in the last 6 months is the SNES emulator in the Homebrew Channel and MLB Power Pros. There hasn't been a single full game that even interested me since Mario Kart (which I've played for about 2 hours total - massive disappointment). I'd sell it, but they aren't bringing in the crazy bank like they used to, so it's hardly worth it.

 

[Saga]

I've made previous rants, but I think thats a universal problem with all three current gen systems. They've been around for 4 years and their combined games library doesn't even touch the PS2 at the 1 year mark.

It's extremely sad to see just how uninterested/incapable people are in making new generation console games.

 

[KlokWyze]

Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3 & Boom Blox all looked good. They put out Res Evil 4 for it as well.