The problem with the Wii

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I'm glad others are finally starting to notice and admit to this. I've been continually baffled by the success of this product line relative to the competition.

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There are too many crappy games on the Wii.

So says the global boss of 2K Games, Christoph Hartmann, and at least in the opinion of video game critics, he's on to something. Using figures from review aggregation site Metacritic.com, almost half of Wii games released since the console launched in 2006 have scored below 65%, compared with about a third of Xbox 360 and PS3 titles. And 65% is a pretty crappy aggregate score, considering that many game review sites rarely score below 50%.

Raise the bar to 85%, and the difference is even more pronounced: 360 owners can play twice as many games rated above 85% as Wii owners, while the PS3 nearly triples Nintendo's numbers.

Broadly, this problem isn't Nintendo's fault. In fact, without sterling first-party games like Super Mario Galaxy, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, and Super Smash Bros. Brawl, the Wii's situation would be far worse. Nintendo-developed games, with the possible exception of Wii Music, are a beacon of quality in a sea of, as Hartmann so indelicately puts it, crap.

Fortunately, this situation isn't lost on most consumers. According to game sales authority NPD Group, the top ten best-selling Wii games -- titles like Mario Kart, Wii Fit, and last year's number one game, Wii Play -- accounted for about 44% of all Wii game purchases in 2008. The remaining 56% spanned over 400 other titles.

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That's not the worst of it. Sales of Wii games that reviewed poorly (including 2K Games' own Carnival Games, which aggregated a dismal 56%) eclipse those of many of the Wii's real gems, including the breathtaking Okami, the superb Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, and even the lighthearted, family-friendly Steven Spielberg project Boom Blox, which should have been a perfect fit for the Wii's unprecedentedly broad audience. The Wii has a curious ability to make big hits out of low-scoring games.

Perhaps it's the critics' fault. Do video game reviewers, who typically boast decades of gaming experience and a deep affinity for the integrity of video games as a serious pursuit, miss the point of casual-friendly Wii sales hits like Carnival Games? Perhaps, but the connection isn't as tempting as it might appear. Because Roger Ebert lists La Dolce Vita and Aguirre: Wrath of God among his top-ten films, should we assume, when he slams Bride Wars, he's doing it because he's elitist and doesn't understand movie consumers? Or maybe he just knows what makes a crap movie.

By and large, consumers do, too. Who, once burnt by a tempting but terrible Wii game like Ford Racing Off-Road or Jenga: World Tour, would not be hesitant to take a chance on a genuinely outstanding title like Zack & Wiki or Boom Blox? If they buy games at all, consumers will limit their picks to reliable names, while the delightful upstart games to which the Wii is so suited will sink beneath the tide of crap. At worst, they'll be so disgruntled that they'll shelve the Wii altogether, relegated to a dust-gathering embarrassment that's pulled out for a token Wii Sports or Wii Fit session once every few months.

So what can you do about it? Get educated. Without good resources, your odds of dodging bad games are not favorable. Sites like metacritic.com and gamerankings.com both provide great jumping-off points for research. Best of all, take a web-enabled phone with you to the store and you can look them up right before you buy. Although it's true that some reviewers miss the point of broad-appeal titles like Tetris Party or Monopoly, the majority will at least help you dodge the crap.

 

MikeyLSU

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another way to look at it though would be how many games do you really need?

I had a wii at launch then sold it a year later because I just didn't play it anymore.

I just bought another one because it has some better games now. Not a ton, but enough. 3-4 quality games is all I really need. There are plenty of great PS3 games that I will never play because I just don't have time to play them all.
 

Dumac

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There are some good Wii games, but there are many more good PS3/360 games.
 

SneakyStuff

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The problem is that the Wii isn't powerful enough for the new big name games. That's why the 360 and PS3 naturally have more games with higher ratings.
 

SandEagle

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nintendo starting going downhill starting with the n64. the best games were on the nes and snes. if they only made more quality 2D games it would rock. glad i got rid of mine
 

Rage187

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dont forget the shitty graphics.

sersiouly, the original xbox had better graphics. I'd be happy if it just had some AA.
 

CKDragon

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Raise the bar to 85%, and the difference is even more pronounced: 360 owners can play twice as many games rated above 85% as Wii owners, while the PS3 nearly triples Nintendo's numbers.

The 360 has 54 games rated at 85% or better.
The PS3 has 38 games rated at 85% or better.
The Wii has 16 games rated at 85% or better.

This is a very reliable article.
 

frostedflakes

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It's kind of funny, but at the same time a bit sad. Don't get me wrong I have a Wii and enjoy some of the games, there are a handful of gems, but I just hope that mediocre shovelware isn't the future of console gaming. As long as the masses keep eating it up, though, that's probably the direction studios will start taking.
 

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I received one for christmas and have played it for less than 3 hours. I have it hacked and I still don't play it. Only thing I've played is Tatsunoko vs Capcom and some Boom Blox.
 

Pepsei

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wii has no competition for the type of game play it has and the people it caters to. that's the reason for it's success.

the first wii game that i spent hours and hours playing is Fire Emblem.... there are a lot of horrible games thou... but hey, at least the ratio isn't as bad as NDS.... are you baffled by it's success too?

i think younger kids are giving nintendos most of their business.
 
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I wonder if it's at all possible that Nintendo could follow in the path of Atari and company from the early 1980's. Gaming was huge, but they started shoveling out anything and everything just to get the masses to buy it. Eventually, people got tired of the shit and quit buying stuff altogether.

Sure, it's HIGHLY doubtful this would happen in this day and age, but I guess it's always possible.
 

Thraxen

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Originally posted by: CKDragon
Raise the bar to 85%, and the difference is even more pronounced: 360 owners can play twice as many games rated above 85% as Wii owners, while the PS3 nearly triples Nintendo's numbers.

The 360 has 54 games rated at 85% or better.
The PS3 has 38 games rated at 85% or better.
The Wii has 16 games rated at 85% or better.

This is a very reliable article.

Go to the bottom end and it's just as bad. Check out how many games are 50 or lower on each system. The Wii has a terrible good/bad game ratio. Simply terrible. As as often as people love to compare it to the PS2, the numbers say other otherwise. The PS2's good/bad ratio... say 80 plus over 50 or less... is much better than the Wii's.
 

UpgradeFailure

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Originally posted by: blurredvision
I wonder if it's at all possible that Nintendo could follow in the path of Atari and company from the early 1980's. Gaming was huge, but they started shoveling out anything and everything just to get the masses to buy it. Eventually, people got tired of the shit and quit buying stuff altogether.

Sure, it's HIGHLY doubtful this would happen in this day and age, but I guess it's always possible.

Hm, even if that happened, Nintendo would turn it all around by just releasing hard core games again. If the causal gamers said "enough of this shit", Nintendo could just go back to Zelda, Mario, Mario Kart, Pikmin, Smash Bros, etc, and make enough money to not even care about 3rd party crap (Kinda like n64 and gamecube if you think about it)
 

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Originally posted by: JackBurton
I never understood the appeal of the Wii. Not interested in it one bit.
The appeal in my case is that is seems like a good complement to my PC.

Out of those top ranked games for PS3 and XBOX360, many of the ones I'd personally be interested in are available on the PC anyway. Taking a quick look at the top rankings for 360 games on GameSpot -- GTA4, Oblivion, GoW, Orange Box, GRAW, R6:Vegas, Assassin's Creed, BioShock, CoD4, Fallout 3, Burnout are among them. So there would have been quite a bit of overlap with the games I already own for PC.

The Wii controls just offer something unique that you can't get anywhere else. Plus, the Sonic and Mario licensed games definitely have that nostalgia appeal for old school console gamers. And taking away all of the cross-platform games, I'm not sure it has substantially fewer top notch games that I'm interested in than the 360 (which has Halo 3) and PS3 (which has MGS4).

Anyways, just my personal perspective as far as why I picked one over the other two.
 

akugami

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Originally posted by: blurredvision
I wonder if it's at all possible that Nintendo could follow in the path of Atari and company from the early 1980's. Gaming was huge, but they started shoveling out anything and everything just to get the masses to buy it. Eventually, people got tired of the shit and quit buying stuff altogether.

Sure, it's HIGHLY doubtful this would happen in this day and age, but I guess it's always possible.

I disagree. Blame lies solely in the hands of 3rd party developers. Look at the ratings of games made by Nintendo. Then look at the games made by 3rd party developers. I think if anything is to blame, blame the developers for jumping on the "bigger and more" bandwagon and putting most of their staff on projects for the 360 and PS3.

The good thing is that the trend is reversing and there are more projects on the way for the Wii due to its popularity but even with the much more expensive costs associated with developing games for the 360 and PS3 at least you can put a multi-console release out on those games. PS3 + 360 total market is going to be roughly the same as developing for the Wii.

With all that said, ratings are subjective. I can rate a game as a must buy product and the guy next to me can say it's a POS.
 

BD2003

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The number of bad games is irrelevant, cause if you care about games and read the occasional review, it wont be very difficult to avoid them. The only thing that matters is that there's enough games worth spending money on.

Even though I play my 360 daily, and my Wii occasionally at this point, it's still been more than worth my money. Those good games that are on the Wii are pretty much all exlusives, and $250 is a reasonably price of entry for a system that's unique and great at parties.

Besides, with all the money theyre making, I dont think nintendo sees a problem here at all. And shovelware is hardly a new problem, the ps1 and ps2 had them in droves.

And for what its worth, as much crap as is shoveled out, isnt 50%+ of wii game sales still first party?
 

CKDragon

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Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: CKDragon
Raise the bar to 85%, and the difference is even more pronounced: 360 owners can play twice as many games rated above 85% as Wii owners, while the PS3 nearly triples Nintendo's numbers.

The 360 has 54 games rated at 85% or better.
The PS3 has 38 games rated at 85% or better.
The Wii has 16 games rated at 85% or better.

This is a very reliable article.

Go to the bottom end and it's just as bad. Check out how many games are 50 or lower on each system. The Wii has a terrible good/bad game ratio. Simply terrible. As as often as people love to compare it to the PS2, the numbers say other otherwise. The PS2's good/bad ratio... say 80 plus over 50 or less... is much better than the Wii's.

Sorry, I was being sarcastic. Regardless of the author's point, I was just pointing out how he fudged his statistics. I don't have terribly strong feelings about the Wii one way or the other.
 

Stuxnet

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The Wii simply isn't a console for gamers. It's a recreational device for family rooms packed with kids and moms. When you consider it in that light, you'll understand why it's outselling everything else eleventybillion:1

I've owned a number of Xbox 360's, my PC is on steroids, and we bought a Wii for the kids this past Christmas. There were a handful of games on the 360 that were worth my time; most weren't. The Wii is worse, but only terms of me. Island Princess, Kung Fu Panda, and of course Mario Kart are played a TON by the kids. I partake in Mario Kart since it's something all of us can play.

While I agree that the Wii has a TON of terrible games, keep in mind that it's not the same animal as a 360 or PS3: it's not designed or intended to be a device that sucks days of your life away at a time. The Wii is good for sitting down for 30 minutes or so and screwing around, or for party-style gaming when you're all growns up and your friends don't want to team up in Halo with you.
 

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I took my Wii home for the holidays. We played a little and I brought it back. I have yet to bother to reconnect it to my TV.

I think that says it all.
 

zerocool84

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Originally posted by: Rage187
dont forget the shitty graphics.

sersiouly, the original xbox had better graphics. I'd be happy if it just had some AA.

Graphics never make a game good. They are the least important part of making a game good.
 

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Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: Rage187
dont forget the shitty graphics.

sersiouly, the original xbox had better graphics. I'd be happy if it just had some AA.

Graphics never make a game good. They are the least important part of making a game good.

That depends entirely on the game, and what its trying to accomplish.
 

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Originally posted by: zerocool84
Originally posted by: Rage187
dont forget the shitty graphics.

sersiouly, the original xbox had better graphics. I'd be happy if it just had some AA.

Graphics never make a game good. They are the least important part of making a game good.
It is 2009, I want it all, and the Wii doesn't provide it. Ours lasted 6 months before being sold, the last few of which it became the dust collector many dubbed it as.

I read that MS is planning on a huge upswing in shovelware erm....casual games for the 360 now. It is a bad trend IMO, and my wallet will be voting against it.

 

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The problem with all these "Wii games suck" threads and articles are that people just don't get it. I bought the Wii for my family, particularly my kids who are under 10 and my wife who isn't a gamer. "Wii" enjoy playing fun games as a family, not blowing people's heads off. My Wii would be used daily if I let the kids play that often. I use my 360 mostly as a DVD player - which is why I'm selling it.

Again - don't expect something it's not - the Wii is a social gaming system, not a hardcore console.
 

Xavier434

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*shrug*

I just don't think people who like the Wii care. There are enough good games to keep them entertained. Regardless, this sort of feedback is good. I want Nintendo's next gen Wii to be ready for more games and I want the devs to work harder at creating them. The only thing I don't want is for Nintendo to feel like another Sony or MS. I like that they are different.