The problem is Pakistan, not Afghanistan.

[DesiPower]

You know, I've never understood how you can be proud over something that you had absolutely nothing to do with.

I'm not proud to be a Jew, nor am i proud to be an Englishman, why would i be, i just happened to be born in England to a Jewish mother.

I am proud over the things i have accomplished though and i think that those who need to feel pride in heritage or nationality are those who have never accomplished anything they can be proud of.

Why not? you can be proud of your parents or siblings when they do something good or great, even if being born in that family was not your choice. Similarly if my country does good things, progresses, makes itself noticeable by making positive contributors, that makes me proud.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Why not? you can be proud of your parents or siblings when they do something good or great, even if being born in that family was not your choice. Similarly if my country does good things, progresses, makes itself noticeable by making positive contributors, that makes me proud.

That makes no sense either, if your mum was a crack whore and your dad was a pedophile, would you be a proud son? Of course not, you're proud over THEIR accomplishments.

Anyway, that is different than happening to be born in a nation, that's not any accomplishment at all.

 

[DesiPower]

That makes no sense either, if your mum was a crack whore and your dad was a pedophile, would you be a proud son? Of course not, you're proud over THEIR accomplishments.

Anyway, that is different than happening to be born in a nation, that's not any accomplishment at all.

We are raised with the philosophy of "motherland" and that's where we get this link from... our country is a part of part family, if fact it comes before our family... It was pretty deep rooted during the 60 and 70 when India was pretty much a socialist country.

You can always look at the glass half full or half empty, does India have horrible ppl who do horrible things? of course it does, but then there are lot of good ppl and good things too... and its not the world's fault that they see India as a horrible country, even recently we had slum dog millionaire and then the documentary my Lindsay Lohan about child labor and human trafficking... I mean that's not today's India, these things may be true but are relatively rare and vanishing fast, its not the correct portrayal of today's India.
Sometimes it almost feels like these ppl are just plain and simple jealous of India and are trying to degrade them. here also you can look at the positive side, it also happens in China, Russia, other Asian countries, I dare these filmmakers to go there an shoot a single frame, god only know what will become of there white asses. They are able to make these films just coz India is liberal and free country and has nothing to hide.

 

[Saga]

Now you clean the cum over you eyes and read carefully you m0therfvckin son of a b1tch. *I* did not say you dragged india into it, *I* said you supported the assh0le who did that and that makes you a douchebag

Someones towel is tied on a little tight. Isn't shit like this supposed to be bannable? Pretty sure I've been banned repeatedly for saying things far less insulting.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

We are raised with the philosophy of "motherland" and that's where we get this link from... our country is a part of part family, if fact it comes before our family... It was pretty deep rooted during the 60 and 70 when India was pretty much a socialist country.

You can always look at the glass half full or half empty, does India have horrible ppl who do horrible things? of course it does, but then there are lot of good ppl and good things too... and its not the world's fault that they see India as a horrible country, even recently we had slum dog millionaire and then the documentary my Lindsay Lohan about child labor and human trafficking... I mean that's not today's India, these things may be true but are relatively rare and vanishing fast, its not the correct portrayal of today's India.
Sometimes it almost feels like these ppl are just plain and simple jealous of India and are trying to degrade them. here also you can look at the positive side, it also happens in China, Russia, other Asian countries, I dare these filmmakers to go there an shoot a single frame, god only know what will become of there white asses. They are able to make these films just coz India is liberal and free country and has nothing to hide.

I'm not going to get into that because quite frankly i don't want to offend you.

I suppose it's cultural differences because when i think of what i am proud of it's ALL accomplishments, i could piss on the Union Jack and not think twice about it, i'll never be a patriot to England, or a nationalist.

A nation is the sum of it's people though and THEIR accomplishments can be something to be proud of. I can very well understand if you are proud of the accomplishments that have turned the tides for India but ALL of them were done by people.

That said, countryside India is not very different from countryside Nigeria and the majority of the people are fucking savages when it comes to customs and their treatment of their own families. The caste system is in direct effect and it's an abhorrent form of apartheid without the laws to even try to protect the weak. It's fucked up.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Someones towel is tied on a little tight. Isn't shit like this supposed to be bannable? Pretty sure I've been banned repeatedly for saying things far less insulting.

It's directed towards me and i've heard worse from people i liked better so it's nothing.

 

[DesiPower]

That said, countryside India is not very different from countryside Nigeria and the majority of the people are fucking savages when it comes to customs and their treatment of their own families. The caste system is in direct effect and it's an abhorrent form of apartheid without the laws to even try to protect the weak. It's fucked up.

Problem is India has a HUGE population and when you have so many ppl and comparatively less resources, you will have poverty and racism and ppl will cling to their casteism, govt spends whatever it can to protect and educate them but obviously its not enough by any means and then we have a very corrupt govt. We do have a huge reservation in jobs and education for these ppl, close to 60%. As India is siphoning money from the "developed" nation like there is no tomorrow, it is definitely trickling down to the "countryside", things today are much better than 20 years ago...

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[JohnOfSheffield]

Problem is India has a HUGE population and when you have so many ppl and comparatively less resources, you will have poverty and racism and ppl will cling to their casteism, govt spends whatever it can to protect and educate them but obviously its not enough by any means and then we have a very corrupt govt. We do have a huge reservation in jobs and education for these ppl, close to 60%. As India is siphoning money from the "developed" nation like there is no tomorrow, it is definitely trickling down to the "countryside", things today are much better than 20 years ago...

I know, but the caste is unique and bound to religion.

However, if you look at Christian nutters in Darfur, you'll see the same thing, it's not the religion, it's the culture.

I completely agree with you that things are steadily improving.

I think... and bear with me here becase i've been to lots of places, that this will get better, i've seen it with certain sect within Kurdish, Bosnian, Albanian, Nigerian and Indian societies, it's cults, offshoots of a religion (Christian, Muslim, Hindu, you name it) that people adhere to come hell or high water and they are willing to sacrifice their daughters (it's always daughters) or women and all it all comes down to in the end is dominance.

You can watch the same thing happen in any family where abuse is common, difference is, in these areas it's sanctioned and sometimes even required.

 

[Moonbeam]

yes I am and unlike you I dont try to hide it, I am proud to be one, motherfvcker

Thank you. As I originally posted when I smelled Indian:

I find that Indians and Pakistanis, toward each other, are generally as insane as Israelis and Palestinians are to each other. I pay little attention to how bad one of these groups is if I don't know who is speaking and why.

Now that I KNOW for SURE who is speaking you'll have to forgive me if I ignore everything you say, because I have found that in general, but not always, when an Indian views a Pakistani or Pakistan an Indian, they do so with tremendous emotional bias. While I have no ill wishes to Indians, Pakistanis, Jews, or Palestinians, I pay not the slightest attention to their comments about each other. In general they all view each other as assholes. So what it boils down to is I don't put much stock in the opinion of asshole bigots none of whom can even see their own bigotry.

Pride in nationality is a substitute for real self respect. It's where self haters turn for affirmation. I may feel like a worthless piece of shit as an individual but hey, I'm a Fuckheadian and we're the greatest people on earth.

 

[Lemon law]

There is something wrong with the thread title. Only the over simplistic think in terms of either Afghanistan or Pakistan, and somehow deciding to just fix justwhat is wrong in those two countries.

Smarter people realize the problems also lie in Washington DC and in London, as Western forces seem to live in fantasy Island, with their delusion Tattoo, being they can have a real occupation or an effective military occupation of Afghanistan on the total cheap. And run by total incompetents who do not understand what the Afghan people need or want.

Then add in India, another regional power, and you have some six or more entities, all with conflicting end foreign policy goals.

With the other Washington DC and London fantasy being, that Afghanistan and Pakistan, as totally junior partners, should share Western Values. Especially since the net effect of the Nato occupation has only been to create anarchy, corruption, and violence in their back yard.

It did not work in Vietnam, why should we assume it will work any where else?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Pride in nationality is a substitute for real self respect. It's where self haters turn for affirmation. I may feel like a worthless piece of shit as an individual but hey, I'm a Fuckheadian and we're the greatest people on earth.

That was kinda what i meant to say. Some people are Patriots instead of being good people, as if it would help.

To me, i don't really give a sheit if you are Irani or Texan, it's what you do and how you behave that earns my respect and i'd respect any Iranian who dares to stand up to their regime more than most Americans and Englishmen, not because i love Iranians but because of the actions of the man or woman.

It's the key to all things, "just do it right" ... i know that someone will be smiling reading those words.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

There is something wrong with the thread title. Only the over simplistic think in terms of either Afghanistan or Pakistan, and somehow deciding to just fix justwhat is wrong in those two countries.

Smarter people realize the problems also lie in Washington DC and in London, as Western forces seem to live in fantasy Island, with their delusion Tattoo, being they can have a real occupation or an effective military occupation of Afghanistan on the total cheap. And run by total incompetents who do not understand what the Afghan people need or want.

Then add in India, another regional power, and you have some six or more entities, all with conflicting end foreign policy goals.

With the other Washington DC and London fantasy being, that Afghanistan and Pakistan, as totally junior partners, should share Western Values. Especially since the net effect of the Nato occupation has only been to create anarchy, corruption, and violence in their back yard.

It did not work in Vietnam, why should we assume it will work any where else?

Not one right, why can't you just take in knowledge from those who do know instead of trying to say what is real in your deranged mind.

We didn't come here to occupy sheit, we came here to eradicate the enemy and if they bloody well would have let us, we would have, the war would have been over before the war in Iraq started and the losses would have been minimal on both sides.

But we were not allowed to do our job, we had them fucking cornered, ANYONE can follow troop movements and see that, then... well... we are sorry but the TFB needs to go to Iraq, see we have a tad of a panic here, the WOT is almost over and we need to prolong it so hey, why not invade Iraq, sounds like the thing to do, let the Taliban spread all over Afghanistan because in reality, we don't care about Al Qaueda or the Taliban, we just needed to get the pop numbers up a tad, now we need to get them up more.

Someone needs to be fucked up and it's not Blair, he got the boot, thought about going into EU politics, i wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he is in a nation that has a non extradition treaty with the UK and will stay there for quite some time now.

 

[Noobtastic]

I find that Indians and Pakistanis, toward each other, are generally as insane as Israelis and Palestinians are to each other. I pay little attention to how bad one of these groups is if I don't know who is speaking and why.

Bullshit.

100,000 Hindu civilians murdered by Pakistani-sponsored terrorists in Kashmir since the early 90s.

At one point nearly 4,000 were dying EACH YEAR!

Yet because Pakistan is protected by the US defense umbrella, India was forced mobilize 400,000 troops and conduct a ruthless occupation of Kashmir.

In 2009 in collaborated with the Israeli military, purchased over a billion in tech. Since then, casualties have been reduced by nearly 95%. It is said Israel is helping India conduct raids into Pakistan.

India has been victim to more terrorism than all other democracies combined. Yet we continue to give billions in free money to Pakistan a year and they blow it all a way on bullshit.

Fuck, Pakistani intelligence were complicit in 9/11. They collaborate with the Taliban and Al-qaeda.

US-sold weapons to Pakistan have been found in the hands of TALIBAN MILITANTS!

Where is the outrage? Condemnation?

Obama is to busy bitching at Jews for building pizza huts in Jerusalem, but is silence at the thousands of civilians that have been killed largely because of USA one-sided foreign policy in the Islamic apartheid states.

USA should say fuck you to Pakistan and team up with pro-democracy India.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Bullshit.

100,000 Hindu civilians murdered by Pakistani-sponsored terrorists in Kashmir since the early 90s.

At one point nearly 4,000 were dying EACH YEAR!

Yet because Pakistan is protected by the US defense umbrella, India was forced mobilize 400,000 troops and conduct a ruthless occupation of Kashmir.

In 2009 in collaborated with the Israeli military, purchased over a billion in tech. Since then, casualties have been reduced by nearly 95%. It is said Israel is helping India conduct raids into Pakistan.

India has been victim to more terrorism than all other democracies combined. Yet we continue to give billions in free money to Pakistan a year and they blow it all a way on bullshit.

Fuck, Pakistani intelligence were complicit in 9/11. They collaborate with the Taliban and Al-qaeda.

US-sold weapons to Pakistan have been found in the hands of TALIBAN MILITANTS!

Where is the outrage? Condemnation?

Obama is to busy bitching at Jews for building pizza huts in Jerusalem, but is silence at the thousands of civilians that have been killed largely because of USA one-sided foreign policy in the Islamic apartheid states.

USA should say fuck you to Pakistan and team up with pro-democracy India.

Moonbeams mirror applies.

You hate yourself because you are a viral infection to every fucking thread you ever enter.

You are a disgrace to our people and i don't want to be associated to your deranged mind so let it be known that you are NOT Jewish in any way, that you are a Hamas member trying your best to discredit Jews.

Piss off.

 

[Noobtastic]

Moonbeams mirror applies.

You hate yourself because you are a viral infection to every fucking thread you ever enter.

You are a disgrace to our people and i don't want to be associated to your deranged mind so let it be known that you are NOT Jewish in any way, that you are a Hamas member trying your best to discredit Jews.

Piss off.

Uh?

The poster I was applying to drew parallels to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to the Pakistan-India conflict, a false comparison.

I was merely proving this.

Calling me names doesn't help.

 

[Lemon law]

Well JOS, you may have a long and distinguished career at calling those that disagree with you as twats, Idiots, and villains, but what you totally lack is any demonstrated success in any positive Nato results.

Therefore the more rational must ask, maybe its time for you, JOS, to piss off. Or at least to have a more open mind because what you have advocated has totally flopped in terms of yielding positive results.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Well JOS, you may have a long and distinguished career at calling those that disagree with you as twats, Idiots, and villains, but what you totally lack is any demonstrated success in any positive Nato results.

Therefore the more rational must ask, maybe its time for you, JOS, to piss off. Or at least to have a more open mind because what you have advocated has totally flopped in terms of yielding positive results.

Son, i don't like your pacifista attitude towards the Taliban, your solution is we hug and make it ok, we got it a loooong fucking time ago.

Perhaps it's time for you to your colon drawn out of your arse and lie there bleeding because there isn't one Taliban who wouldn't agree that it's a great fucking idea to do that to you since you are and American.

You don't get it, you never have and never will, we are not hunting human beings, we're hunting Talibans and they are the worst beasts that i have ever seen in five war zones, it includes Kradic's Christian soldiers and Darfurs massacre crews. At least they just killed the teenagers and children.

You go right ahead and negotiate with AQ, go right ahead, teach them that scaring the sheit out of you and committing acts of terror gets them their way.

i just wonder what you will say when they want your daughter... Well knowing you you'll probably give her over, cus it's more peacful that way, right?

You poor shielded naive little twat.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Uh?

The poster I was applying to drew parallels to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to the Pakistan-India conflict, a false comparison.

I was merely proving this.

Calling me names doesn't help.

kylebeisme, i don't know what you didn't get but obviously i took you off guard.

The point is clear, every single post you make is extreme, made in such a way that it will incite hatred towards our people. You ridicule the victims of 9/11 you continously push for that the UK and all other nations are inferior to Israel and that the US should bow down to Israel.

Ozoned would be (and has always been) an ally until you started pushing your ridiculous commands upon the US that the US should dance when Israel says dance.

You're a ridiculous excuse for Net's "orders" and if you can't understand tact and tone in even an internet forum, perhasps you should just not post?

LL loves you though, as an anti-Israel guy, he loves you. That should tell you something.

 

[tvarad]

Son, i don't like your pacifista attitude towards the Taliban, your solution is we hug and make it ok, we got it a loooong fucking time ago.

Perhaps it's time for you to your colon drawn out of your arse and lie there bleeding because there isn't one Taliban who wouldn't agree that it's a great fucking idea to do that to you since you are and American.

You don't get it, you never have and never will, we are not hunting human beings, we're hunting Talibans and they are the worst beasts that i have ever seen in five war zones, it includes Kradic's Christian soldiers and Darfurs massacre crews. At least they just killed the teenagers and children.

You go right ahead and negotiate with AQ, go right ahead, teach them that scaring the sheit out of you and committing acts of terror gets them their way.

i just wonder what you will say when they want your daughter... Well knowing you you'll probably give her over, cus it's more peacful that way, right?

You poor shielded naive little twat.

The Taliban are little more than country bumpkins propped up by the Pakistani army but who, in the latter's eyes, have become a little too uppity because they have dared to talk to Karzai and the West on their own which is why it has orchestrated this arrest drama. Al Qaeda folks are the literal and proverbial Arabs that the Pakistanis have sold their mothers to for some geld. And you should have mentioned the Pakistani Army along with "Kradic's Christian soliders and Darfur's massacre crews" (sic). The gents who orchestrated and took part in the 1971 Bangladesh massacre of 3 million people are the ones who are now running the Pakistani army. And not one of them has been held culpable for that holocaust.

I will say it again and again. Fix Pakistan and Afghanistan will be fixed automatically.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

The Taliban are little more than country bumpkins propped up by the Pakistani army but who, in the latter's eyes, have become a little too uppity because they have dared to talk to Karzai and the West on their own which is why it has orchestrated this arrest drama. Al Qaeda folks are the literal and proverbial Arabs that the Pakistanis have sold their mothers to for some geld. And you should have mentioned the Pakistani Army along with "Kradic's Christian soliders and Darfur's massacre crews" (sic). The gents who orchestrated and took part in the 1971 Bangladesh massacre of 3 million people are the ones who are now running the Pakistani army. And not one of them has been held culpable for that holocaust.

I will say it again and again. Fix Pakistan and Afghanistan will be fixed automatically.

You don't have a fucking clue and i'm TELLING you this.

Your imagination about how this is all Pakistans fault is all in your head and it's not real.

Your hatred for Pakistanians has gotten the better of you and you are not even worth arguing with anymore, the taliban wer not around in 1971, son, it's almost 40 years ago and it's not recent.

The ISI is the best friend the west has had in this war, i'm done telling you, if your fantasies continue perhaps you will be the next Hindu bomber? It's not like it's uncommon, in fact before the US invaded Iraq, most terrorist attacks were committed by Hindus.

Oh, and just so you know, the Taliban were fought by the Pakistanis LONG before the invasion started, they were the response to the war lords that local Pakistanis DID have something to do with.

You don't know your head from your arse and i assume you'll blame Pakistan for that too, stupid fucking twat.

 

[tvarad]

You don't have a fucking clue and i'm TELLING you this.

Your imagination about how this is all Pakistans fault is all in your head and it's not real.

Your hatred for Pakistanians has gotten the better of you and you are not even worth arguing with anymore, the taliban wer not around in 1971, son, it's almost 40 years ago and it's not recent.

The ISI is the best friend the west has had in this war, i'm done telling you, if your fantasies continue perhaps you will be the next Hindu bomber? It's not like it's uncommon, in fact before the US invaded Iraq, most terrorist attacks were committed by Hindus.

Oh, and just so you know, the Taliban were fought by the Pakistanis LONG before the invasion started, they were the response to the war lords that local Pakistanis DID have something to do with.

You don't know your head from your arse and i assume you'll blame Pakistan for that too, stupid fucking twat.

The Pakistani Army is the soulmate of the murderous basterds of Bosnia, Sudan, Cambodia but it's the only one that's not been brought to book for it's crimes or booted out. As someone who grew up during the 1971 war, I rue the fact that India did not invade West Pakistan and clean house and set that wretched country on a constructive path. Which it probably would have done were it not for that crook Nixon and his partner in crime Kissinger protecting these rapists and baby-killers.

BTW, are you related to the Iraqi Information Minister, by any chance?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

The Pakistani Army is the soulmate of the murderous basterds of Bosnia, Sudan, Cambodia but it's the only one that's not been brought to book for it's crimes or booted out. As someone who grew up during the 1971 war, I rue the fact that India did not invade West Pakistan and clean house and set that wretched country on a constructive path. Which it probably would have done were it not for that crook Nixon and his partner in crime Kissinger protecting these rapists and baby-killers.

BTW, are you related to the Iraqi Information Minister, by any chance?

I'm here to kill Talibans, not to appease India, i don't give a flying fuck about what happened in 1971, honestly it's gone, forever, it's not going to come back because YOU care and are trying to lay blame on Pakistan for something completely different.

You're fucked in your head, take your fucking caste and walk away, i'm IN the direct area, in fact, TFB was the FIRST team to enter Afghainstan, Pakistan and Iraq, your idiocy is just your general hatred for all things beloved patriot, as i said in my first post.

Oh, and you won't rule by any sword ever, give up your day dreaming, it's affecting your work.

 

[cirrrocco]

Tvarad,

Forget arguing with JOS. David headly alis the daoud giliani asshole was scouting Jewish targets in Indian. The let cells were doing the same. JOS will turn around when a few of his family members are killed by the pakis in londonsitan. It is only a matter of time. Karma is a bitch and I for one will not be sad when ISI's butt buddies LET and the taliban kill a few of his loved ones.

I have seen a few friends and relatives killed in the various terror attacks across india by the beloved patriot sponsored jihadists. We warned the US is 2000 that the ISI sponsored bastards were gonna attack US. The fools in the US never realized that their prodigious children will never attack the US and yet we have the rude shock a bunch of goat fuckers inflicted on the US.

Next up they are already planning attacks on more Jews, India and Israel are planning for that eventuality but i would love to hear what JOS would say when his family members get their head blown off..

http://www.historycommons.org/timel...k=mahmoodAhmed&timeline=complete_911_timeline

information he was given in India is correct. He notes that someone in the United Arab Emirates using a variety of aliases sends Mohamed Atta slightly over $100,000 between June and September of this year (see June 29, 2000-September 18, 2000 and (July-August 2000)), and the timing of these phone calls and the money transfers may have been the source of news reports that Mahmood Ahmed ordered Saeed Sheikh to send $100,000 to Mohamed Atta

Abive you see the head of the ISI sending money to Atta who crashed the plane into the tower. JOS is this super duper commando and he doesnt know that his ISI co workers woould love to sell his ass to some fundie and watch in amusement while they slice his head off and pray that the are closer to their 72

 

[cirrrocco]

btw JOS an englishman s killing Taliban because his masters the US govt sent him there. hahahahah. What a worthless country England has become. What the fuck is the UK doing there anyway. I never saw anyone from afghanistan attacking the UK. I guess their soldiers love the goats out there.

England the poodle dog country wants to start "colon analyzing " afghanistan again. This POS country is back to its old shenanigans. hypocritical bastards who think that India does not have a role in afghanistan.

 

[cirrrocco]

From the Congressional Record...

THE 9/11 COMMISSION FINAL REPORT ONE YEAR LATER -- HON. CYNTHIA McKINNEY (Extensions of Remarks - October 27, 2005)

Mr. JOHN NEWMAN: An FBI team working with cell phone numbers provided by Indian intelligence uncovered a new smoking gun. They learned that the chief of the ISI, Mahmood Ahmed, had ordered Saeed Sheikh to send $100,000 of the kidnapping ransom to Mohamed Atta a month before the 9/11 attacks. This ugly detail emerged when the FBI team ran traces on Saeed Sheikh's cell phone number beginning in July; the ISI chief's number was among the regular people that Saeed Sheikh communicated with. On October 7th, President Musharraf sacked Ahmed for this notorious act. This story was widely covered in the press around the world, not covered here in the United States ..

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